Moving commander to premium ships - now you must pay ?

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

So, to my surprise, I put a new commander on my Aigle, and the game ask now for "retrain" ?!

We cannot move free any more commanders on Premium ships ?

Is a bug or a new "feature" on this patch ? I used this all time to upgrade my skippers, and if this is not a bug, will affect me, like so many others, seriously...

Anyone can share a light on me, please ?

[Wizard27_1979]

2 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

Anyone can share a light on me, please ?

You moved your captain to a new silver-ship and started retraining him on this ship (almost halfway done).

On Aigle he does not need to be trained and has full access to all perks (check). You can progress his training to new silver-ship while playing him on Aigle, though. 

[ForlornSailor]

6 minutes ago, Wizard27_1979 said:

You moved your captain to a new silver-ship and started retraining him on this ship (almost halfway done).

On Aigle he does not need to be trained and has full access to all perks (check). You can progress his training to new silver-ship while playing him on Aigle, though.  

 

Thats what it looks like to me aswell.

 

@SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue I just checked: moved my Trento cpt to Gorizia - no problems, no retrain.

 

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

In my case, tough, the damn game do not realize the ship is Premium and still keep asking for "retrain"....

[W0Z]

Worked as normal for me.

 

I'm not using any mods.

[Uglesett]

IIRC it's possible to choose to retrain a skipper specifically for a premium. I seem to recall having ed up and done that once when I was new and inexperienced. In which case you have to retrain normally, although I think the skills still work 100% while you're doing it.

 

Are you sure you haven't just accidentally chosen to retrain the captain for the Aigle? Is "Aigle" listed as the captain's specialty?

[Wizard27_1979]

45 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

In my case, tough, the damn game do not realize the ship is Premium and still keep asking for "retrain"....

The game does. Just click on captain and check perks when attached to Aigle and compare it when attached to the silver-ship.

 

Working as ever and intended. 

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

Indeed, the perks work ( no penalty) but the "retrain" yellow letters still stay there. Since is not affecting my gameplay, I am ok with that.

I suppose the "problem" is because I take a skipper from a bb ( richelieu) when that skipper was in "retrain" process, and I put him on Aigle BEFORE I ended the retrain process on Richelieu.

In Aigle he have all perks working 100%, just the info panel asking for "retrain" induced me in error. Probably my Pavlovian induced fear of bugs after each patch, haha !

In 5 years is first time I saw this, tough... Thank you all for help !

[Uglesett]

3 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

Indeed, the perks work ( no penalty) but the "retrain" yellow letters still stay there. Since is not affecting my gameplay, I am ok with that.

In 5 years is first time I saw this, tough... Thank you all for help !

What ship is the captain actually specialized for, though? Is he specialized for the Aigle, or for some other ship?

[Wizard27_1979]

14 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

Indeed, the perks work ( no penalty) but the "retrain" yellow letters still stay there. Since is not affecting my gameplay, I am ok with that.

I suppose the "problem" is because I take a skipper from a bb ( richelieu) when that skipper was in "retrain" process, and I put him on Aigle BEFORE I ended the retrain process on Richelieu.

In Aigle he have all perks working 100%, just the info panel asking for "retrain" induced me in error. Probably my Pavlovian induced fear of bugs after each patch, haha !

In 5 years is first time I saw this, tough... Thank you all for help !

See it as a bonus even for your premium-ship - you can boost the "retrain-progress" even when playing him on premiums of that nation. Will count. So you can retrain him to another ship without ever playing this particular ship :-)

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

2 minutes ago, Wizard27_1979 said:

See it as a bonus even for your premium-ship - you can boost the "retrain-progress" even when playing him on premiums of that nation. Will count. So you can retrain him to another ship without ever playing this particular ship :-)

Right,  I will do that, thank you !

[ColonelPete]

16 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

Indeed, the perks work ( no penalty) but the "retrain" yellow letters still stay there. Since is not affecting my gameplay, I am ok with that.

I suppose the "problem" is because I take a skipper from a bb ( richelieu) when that skipper was in "retrain" process, and I put him on Aigle BEFORE I ended the retrain process on Richelieu.

In Aigle he have all perks working 100%, just the info panel asking for "retrain" induced me in error. Probably my Pavlovian induced fear of bugs after each patch, haha !

In 5 years is first time I saw this, tough... Thank you all for help !

And that is normal.

When the retraining process is not finished, the captain is labeled for retraining.

What else should the game do?

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

13 minutes ago, Uglesett said:

What ship is the captain actually specialized for, though? Is he specialized for the Aigle, or for some other ship?

I was retraining  him for Richelieu, but on mid-process I realize will be more effective on a dd, so I put another commander on Richelieu and sent this one in Aigle - BEFORE he ended his "retrain" process.

So he landed on Aigle, and I was surprised to see he still ask for "retrain", once the Aigle is a Premium ( I expected once you put a new commander on a Premium, no retrain was needed) - but he keeps asking for retrain.

But, like I said, the perks are no affected, he work 100% effective, I was just annoyed - first time when I saw a commander asking for "retrain" in a Premium ! But Wizard_27 here clarify all for me, thanks !

[22cm]

It s your misunderstanding.

That captains picture shos that he is in training for a normal silvership.

But in the premium ship he has no penalty..

[Cammo1962]

1 hour ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

So, to my surprise, I put a new commander on my Aigle, and the game ask now for "retrain" ?!

We cannot move free any more commanders on Premium ships ?

Is a bug or a new "feature" on this patch ? I used this all time to upgrade my skippers, and if this is not a bug, will affect me, like so many others, seriously...

Anyone can share a light on me, please ?

If you move a fully trained captain  from a prem ship to a tech ship you have to pay the first time next time you dont need to do that as long it is from DD to DD and back.

[ForlornSailor]

1 minute ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

I was retraining  him for Richelieu, but on mid-process I realize will be more effective on a dd, so I put another commander on Richelieu and sent this one in Aigle - BEFORE he ended his "retrain" process.

So he landed on Aigle, and I was surprised to see he still ask for "retrain", once the Aigle is a Premium ( I expected once you put a new commander on a Premium, no retrain was needed) - but he keeps asking for retrain.

But, like I said, the perks are no affected, he work 100% effective, I was just annoyed - first time when I saw a commander asking for "retrain" in a Premium ! But Wizard_27 here clarify all for me, thanks ! 

 

You are atm still retraining him for Richelieu then. That process is not interrupted unless you asign him to another silver ship - then ofc starts a new retraining process.

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

And that is normal.

When the retraining process is not finished, the captain is labeled for retraining.

What else should the game do?

What else ? For example, NOT ASKING for retrain in a Premium ship ? Is like the game, on the display part,   ignore the fact that is a Premium and the commander DO NOT need to retrain. 

The info on display should be limited ONLY to the ship where the skipper is acting on that moment,  I think. I do not need him to tell me he need retrain for Richelieu when he is commanding Aigle.

[Uglesett]

3 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

I was retraining  him for Richelieu, but on mid-process I realize will be more effective on a dd, so I put another commander on Richelieu and sent this one in Aigle - BEFORE he ended his "retrain" process.

So he landed on Aigle, and I was surprised to see he still ask for "retrain", once the Aigle is a Premium ( I expected once you put a new commander on a Premium, no retrain was needed) - but he keeps asking for retrain.

As @ForlornSailor said, you're still in the process of training him for Richelieu, and the indication will be there until he's finished retraining, at which point he'll be fully specialized for Richelieu.

 

It's a bit of a waste of time spent retraining, though. If he works on a DD you should just transfer him to a tech tree DD (to start the retraining process for that) and then move him back to the Aigle to retrain him without penalty.

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

Just now, Uglesett said:

As @ForlornSailor said, you're still in the process of training him for Richelieu, and the indication will be there until he's finished retraining, at which point he'll be fully specialized for Richelieu.

 

It's a bit of a waste of time spent retraining, though. If he works on a DD you should just transfer him to a tech tree DD (to start the retraining process for that) and then move him back to the Aigle to retrain him without penalty.

Yup, you right, seems a dd skipper build ( the "special" perks). Sad the French tree ( like IJN one...)  have so few of them ( special commanders).

[ForlornSailor]

3 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

What else ? For example, NOT ASKING for retrain in a Premium ship ? Is like the game, on the display part,   ignore the fact that is a Premium and the commander DO NOT need to retrain. 

The info on display should be limited ONLY to the ship where the skipper is acting on that moment,  I think. I do not need him to tell me he need retrain for Richelieu when he is commanding Aigle.

 

Nah, it has to be exactly this way and I can tell you why: Imagine, I want to transfer my captain from silver ship A to silver ship B, because I unlocked the next ship in the tree. So lets say from Fuso to Nagato. Now, instead of paying dubloons or elite commander XP, I want to use a premium ship to retrain. So after I put the Captain on Nagato and selected to start retraining, I transfer the captain to Kii. I will play Kii as long as the captain has finished retraining. In order to know, when that is, I need the bar to tell me, how much captain XP are missing. On top of that: while you retrain your captain, the captain itself is not gaining any experaince. It all goes into the retraining process. So If you´d remove this retraining info if the captain sits on a premium

- how do I know when he is finished retraining for Nagato?

- the captain XP bar should just be stuck for that time beeing?

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

You have a point here, indeed.

[ColonelPete]

11 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

What else ? For example, NOT ASKING for retrain in a Premium ship ? Is like the game, on the display part,   ignore the fact that is a Premium and the commander DO NOT need to retrain. 

The info on display should be limited ONLY to the ship where the skipper is acting on that moment,  I think. I do not need him to tell me he need retrain for Richelieu when he is commanding Aigle.

 

The game is not asking for retraining for a premium ship.

The game is informing you that the retraining for a silver ship is still running. 

Retraining is one of the purposes of premium ships.

It is good to know when you are finished that you can move the captain back to the silver ship.

[SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

 

The game is not asking for retraining for a premium ship.

The game is informing you that the retraining for a silver ship is still running. 

Retraining is one of the purposes of premium ships.

It is good to know when you are finished that you can move the captain back to the silver ship.

I can confirm, now, after few games in Aigle he did complete his training for a bb ( Richelieu) when he was sailing.... a dd !

So, after all, you can train a skipper in a different class. This is a good thing. Thank you all again.

[TheBrut3]

40 minutes ago, SEN_SEN_Channel_Portugue said:

Yup, you right, seems a dd skipper build ( the "special" perks). Sad the French tree ( like IJN one...)  have so few of them ( special commanders).

The Honoré brothers are suited for BB and CA line. The Auboyneau for the DD's.

[fumtu]

15 minutes ago, TheBrut3 said:

The Honoré brothers are suited for BB and CA line. The Auboyneau for the DD's.

 

Honore brothers are quite good for DDs too. Improved AR works great on DDs but as French DDs have relatively sluggish turret rotation they also benefit from improved EM. so both improved skill were useful for DDs.