Shinano or Yashima

[siraiaw]

Shinano was a historical ship, and it was a carrier conversion of a yamato class battliship, and unlike Yashima it was actually build. want more historical ships or more paper ships?

[Aixin]

Gerade eben, siraiaw sagte:

Shinano was a historical ship, and it was a carrier conversion of a yamato class battliship, and unlike Yashima it was actually build. want more historical ships or more paper ships?

Actually I would like to have both. Or a shinano cv and the yashima as shinano bb..... But hey whatever it will make a fine addition to the collection. Further there were plans for yashima (I think A150) those are not named after yashima tho. But as the yashima was an old dreadnought of the Japanese navy the name is not that bad... 

[Major_Damage225]

I vote for both, Shinano may come back as a CV, and what Aixin sayd, the name choice is good. 

As for the A150, i read somwhere... I think it was on the combined fleet website, the A150 was named Yokozuna "grand champion" witch i also found quite fitting 

[siraiaw]

5 minutes ago, Major_Damage225 said:

I vote for both, Shinano may come back as a CV, and what Aixin sayd, the name choice is good. 

As for the A150, i read somwhere... I think it was on the combined fleet website, the A150 was named Yokozuna "grand champion" witch i also found quite fitting 

Does this mean we are finnaly gonna get the german H-class, the GK with 8 510 mm guns? GK just does not fit into the line, when the rest of the line has dual turrets

[Aixin]

Vor 1 Minute, siraiaw sagte:

Does this mean we are finnaly gonna get the german wunder weapon, the GK with 8 510 mm guns? GK just does not fit into the line, when the rest of the line has dual turrets

Well gneisenau also had triple turrets in history. But what I want to say is that the no gun shall be bigger than 460 mm promise didn't made sense anyway. As long as no gun penetrates 50mm plating it's not even a change for the game. Just more alpha but therefor also a higher chance aof overpens. I also would like to see the H44 battleship. But I think there is one person on this forum who wants it even more. 

[El2aZeR]

How about neither?

Shinano was a terrible ship and while total reserves aren't as big of an issue as they used to be in RTS (due to CVs being full strike and able to print planes), hull characteristics are still problematic. Not to mention I'd rather not have another balancing disaster on my hands.

Yashima is simply unneeded.

[MementoMori_6030]

Am 15.1.2020 um 20:13, siraiaw sagte:

Shinano was a historical ship, and it was a carrier conversion of a yamato class battliship, and unlike Yashima it was actually build. want more historical ships or more paper ships?

I would prefer that 100% of all ships in this game were really commissioned, rather than the present <50%.

 

 

Edit: I took some minutes to quick-check that number. With WG claiming "more than 300 historical ships" and all.

 

First of all, only ships that were commissioned were counted. I have blueprints of the Death Star - but that does not mean I am any closer to building it, financing it or making it work than some navies are to produce quality ships.

 

I counted every ship I know of, minus those removed from game, but including those in testing and announced.

Reskins and the otaku ships were ignored (not counted in any way).

Refurbished (like Oktyabr) and transferred ships (like most Pan-Asian and some Russian ships) were counted multiple times.

I ignored that armaments varied to a certain degree from the historical ships - within reasonable limits, so I could NOT ignore that sad joke Arashi (counted as non-historical despite being commissioned).

 

Results:

 

Total ships: 359

Commissioned ships (as far as I could confirm): 253 (so NOT more than 300)

Historical ship percentage: 70,4%

 

USA: 85%

Japan: 71%

Russia: 49%

Germany: 63%

UK: 79%

Commonwealth: 100%

France: 59%

Italy: 72%

Pan-Asia: 76%

Europe: 86%

Pan-America: 100%

[Filipin00]

6 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Yashima is simply unneeded.

Well alcohol is unneeded to humans yet we choose to consume it

[Panocek]

8 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Not to mention I'd rather not have another balancing disaster on my hands.

WG always can get another balancing disaster. After all, when all ships are OP, then balans is of achieved comrade

[siraiaw]

11 minutes ago, Panocek said:

WG always can get another balancing disaster. After all, when all ships are OP, then balans is of achieved comrade

not all ships are OP Kremlin is clearly too weak, compared to german ships

[siraiaw]

21 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

How about neither?

Shinano was a terrible ship and while total reserves aren't as big of an issue as they used to be in RTS (due to CVs being full strike and able to print planes), hull characteristics are still problematic. Not to mention I'd rather not have another balancing disaster on my hands.

Yashima is simply unneeded.

You do know Shinano had a total hanger space of 164 planes right? however the last 120 planes were for other cvs, as it was a support carrier.

[Aixin]

Gerade eben, siraiaw sagte:

You do know Shinano had a total hanger space of 164 planes right? however the last 120 planes were for other cvs, as it was a support carrier.

Yes but they were in some sort of "build kits" and couldn't be launched. Well that would give the regeneration time sense at least. 

[siraiaw]

Just now, Aixin said:

Yes but they were in some sort of "build kits" and couldn't be launched. Well that would give the regeneration time sense at least. 

low plane reserve, but insane plane regen

[wot_2016_gunner]

I voted for both; I'm waiting like mad  for Shinano and this is from Wikipedia about it's planes (maybe a Kaga at tier 10 with stock tier 10 planes ?)

 

The ship's organic air group was intended to consist of 18 Mitsubishi A7M Reppū (Allied reporting name "Sam") fighters (plus two in storage), 18 Aichi B7A Ryusei ("Grace") torpedo-dive bombers (plus two in storage), and 6 Nakajima C6N Saiun ("Myrt") reconnaissance aircraft (plus one in storage).^[8] The remainder of the hangar space would have held up to 120 replacement aircraft for other carriers and land bases.^[9]

 

For Yashima, I'm perfectly fine with it, she's at the same level of "paper ship" as the Montana and H-39 (i.e. F.d.G), because the project was well... not really finalized, but two ships were actually ordered but never built because Japan realized that it was better to build Carriers instead of Battleships (same reason why Shinano became an Aircraft Carrier). 

 

The thing is that if you search for something like Smolenks or Kremil, they don't exist (outside of the game) but if you search for the Montana, the H-class or the A-150, they all exist, never build, but they do exist.

[CptBarney]

Both.

 

here be balans.

[Aixin]

Vor 15 Minuten, siraiaw sagte:

low plane reserve, but insane plane regen

That would result in a kaga like cv. I would rather say it should be (if implemented as a CV) be like a tier 10 saipan. Or a hybrid of gz and saipan as the hull is Yamato class and therefor has armor and space for secondary guns. Another issue is that this ship is huge. That means it would be spottable from like 17km away stock. That is not good for a CV. I would love to get more CVs don't understand me wrong. But the shinano is quite underwhelming in its potential. I'd rather would like to get hyriu akagi and tahio maybe also zhuhio that would be enough for one whole new line. Also there are unryu class cvs that could be introduced. For the American cvs there are enough for at least two lines. Maybe the Aquila as an Italian premium CV. What I want to say that when it comes to cvs there are better choices than shinano. Even tho I also would like shinano. Any new cv is appreciated. For the bbs I am fine with those as they don't create a new meta just by having 510mm guns. I know that El2aZeR is going to kill me for wishing more CVs but hey i still have faith in WG to make cvs more fun for everyone.

[CptBarney]

Eeww, i just saw henris acceleration wtf is that? Sodding mikasa accelerates faster ffs.

so weegee why should i go beyond saint louis again?

[Aixin]

Vor 1 Minute, CptBarney sagte:

Eeww, i just saw henris acceleration wtf is that? Sodding mikasa accelerates faster ffs.

so weegee why should i go beyond saint louis again?

I think you might posted in the wrong thread. 

[CptBarney]

2 minutes ago, Aixin said:

I think you might posted in the wrong thread. 

Oh yeah just noticed this week has been pretty mental workload wise (and saying goodbye to win 7).

[Karasu_Browarszky]

47 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

I would prefer that 100% of all ships in this game were really commissioned, rather than the present <50%.

 

As long as you'd also be prepared to accept that most of the high tier Russian ships would then have to be some of the finest rubber dinghies ever built.

[CptBarney]

5 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

As long as you'd also be prepared to accept that most of the high tier Russian ships would then have to be some of the finest rubber dinghies ever built.

According to jingles russians think there is a bias against them and think russian ships arent great compared to their counterpart.

quite interesting really when you watch his latest vid titled ‘french bias’

[El2aZeR]

45 minutes ago, siraiaw said:

You do know Shinano had a total hanger space of 164 planes right? however the last 120 planes were for other cvs, as it was a support carrier.

 

You do realize that those were disassembled, right?

[jss78]

This is a clear case where I'd like to have both.

 

I have zero problem with paper ships in the game. With the possible exception of an entire tech tree line where the steel-to-paper ratio is dubiously low (looking at you Soviet BB's). But out of all paper ships, the Super Yamato's are arguably the most famous of all.

 

Shinano's of course one of the most glaring omissions in the premium ship lineup at this point.

 

 

[Pikkozoikum]

3 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

You do realize that those were disassembled, right?

So it coud have a small deck hangar number with a fast refill CD

[Karasu_Browarszky]

10 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

According to jingles russians think there is a bias against them and think russian ships arent great compared to their counterpart.

quite interesting really when you watch his latest vid titled ‘french bias’

 

I agree, the Russian ships are complete ****, I've played most of them. They only become OP when they get to make use of the below board game mechanics like HE spamming. 'French bias'? ... going backwards faster than anyone else?