dd nerf Huge DD nerf might be coming for patch 0.9.1

[loppantorkel]

5 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Most of the cruisers in my port have torps with a detection range of 1.0-1.3 km. Cruiser torps are often used in "do or die" scenarios, ambushes or to ward off onrushing heavy ships. Those ships will now have an extra 0.5-0.8k warning of incoming torpedoes, and that's a problem for cruisers, because if they get into torp range they have to make a decisive strike and now it looks as if that's going to be very much more difficult against anyone with the new module.

PA deep water torps will remain super effective against cruisers too, meaning they might end up being prioritised as targets ahead of bbs, if anyone ever would like to play the PA dd line after these changes have gone through that is.

[invicta2012]

33 minutes ago, loppantorkel said:

if anyone ever would like to play the PA dd line after these changes have gone through that is.

I've nearly unlocked Chung Mu, so I've got no choice but to keep going. I wasn't going to bother with the Tier X, poor thing. Someone at WG HQ really does not like destroyers....

[Migantium_Mashum]

9 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

I've nearly unlocked Chung Mu, so I've got no choice but to keep going. I wasn't going to bother with the Tier X, poor thing. Someone at WG HQ really does not like destroyers....

Chung Mu is still pretty good as a DD... I have her and my Yeuyang... With all the change so far if I was going to play my high tier PA DD's it would be Chung Mu over Yeuyang..

[Cammo1962]

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[Allied_Winter]

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[elblancogringo]

How bad is this change for American DDs, like Gearing or Benham, compared to PA DDs? Is this change actually impacting negatively DDs other than those with DW torps? Or is it negligible for the others?

[NoirLotus]

US torpedoes are usually not very fast but rather stealthy. So the new upgrade is a big nerf as the time to react increases significantly.

 

The worst case is the Black : detection distance goes from 0.9 to 1.8 km, so time to react doubles to be more than 20 seconds.

[P4RDUS]

On 1/13/2020 at 6:03 PM, Jethro_Grey said:

So, WG is currently testing Module changes on the ST. 

 

Most of them are nice, others are pointless. 

One stands out tho: If you have the Module on your ship, the concelament of Torpedos, regardless which DD fired it gets nerfed to 1.8km. 

A massive nerf to all DDs. Nicely done WG/sarcasm

 

I wonder at this Point iof the People making These balans desicions are actually playing the game. 

If they do, how likely is it, that they are BB/ CV mains? My spread sheet says 100%. 

 

Either that, or a GIANT bird crapped on their heads and caused a hefty concussion. 

 

 

I'll get the Wood for the bonfire and the torches, the pitch Forks are still sharp enough from the PR Event. 

 

Seriously WG,what the actual FRAK is going on?

This shouldn't even been considered let alone put on the ST.  

 

 

To be honest, i am surprized that you are still playing this game dude :)

[GraySlayer]

1 hour ago, elblancogringo said:

How bad is this change for American DDs, like Gearing or Benham, compared to PA DDs? Is this change actually impacting negatively DDs other than those with DW torps? Or is it negligible for the others?

 

My Benham torps do 65 knots which I can bump up to 68. They will go up from 1,4 to 1,8 so 400 metres worse off if I come across a module.

[MrWastee]

1 hour ago, GraySlayer said:

 

My Benham torps do 65 knots which I can bump up to 68. They will go up from 1,4 to 1,8 so 400 metres worse off if I come across a module.

+ in doubt vigilance: 2.4(?)km= est. 42% more range they get detected on. passively, allmatch.

 

edit: someone might do the math on actual values for tasm and vigilance in that regard, too lazy here ....

 

but, as being said a lot, to most nations it's only kind of a minor nerf (still a passive nerf though!). the ones suffering will be deepwaters, so one nation solely and a premium (pan asian + asashio). me no gusto!

[GraySlayer]

1 hour ago, MrWastee said:

+ in doubt vigilance: 2.4(?)km= est. 42% more range they get detected on. passively, allmatch.

 

edit: someone might do the math on actual values for tasm and vigilance in that regard, too lazy here ....

 

but, as being said a lot, to most nations it's only kind of a minor nerf (still a passive nerf though!). the ones suffering will be deepwaters, so one nation solely and a premium (pan asian + asashio). me no gusto!

 

Either way it's another nerf to an already hard to play class.

[Cammo1962]

17 hours ago, GraySlayer said:

 

Either way it's another nerf to an already hard to play class.

Yep and WG does not care because the swedish DDs are coming with ultra fast torpedos.

[Cammo1962]

18 hours ago, MrWastee said:

+ in doubt vigilance: 2.4(?)km= est. 42% more range they get detected on. passively, allmatch.

 

edit: someone might do the math on actual values for tasm and vigilance in that regard, too lazy here ....

 

but, as being said a lot, to most nations it's only kind of a minor nerf (still a passive nerf though!). the ones suffering will be deepwaters, so one nation solely and a premium (pan asian + asashio). me no gusto!

Let me say it like this pan asian and Asashio will be impossible to play.

[Cammo1962]

I love my Asashio and i have had some of my best DD games in that ship, but with the torpedo protection system it is a ting of the past and that is so sad because i love to punish BB drivers when they go broadside and they know there an Asashio or a pan asian DD in the area.

[Verblonde]

FWIW the latest ST notes include some (very modest) buffs to *some* of the worst affected torps (not Black); it's mostly T8+ PA ships.

[NoirLotus]

Very modest ??

 

Man you will need a microscope to notice them : +1kts on torpedo speed and -3 or 4 s on torpedo reload ...

[Beaker71]

With the upcoming torp detectability nerf, are WG more or less forcing any DD players to go down the European supersonic torp line - if they still want to enjoy the game?

 

On top of the CV nightmare (for DDs), and general HE spamming & camping meta - this has finally "broken me" - and i've stopped me playing the game, at least for now. About the only fun i'd had of late was in the newly acquired USS Black (which i admit can be massively OP at times). Catching BBs with the worlds slowest torps was very amusing. 

 

[Nechrom]

On 1/28/2020 at 6:04 PM, GraySlayer said:

My Benham torps do 65 knots which I can bump up to 68. They will go up from 1,4 to 1,8 so 400 metres worse off if I come across a module.

Correction. 120m worse . This isn't a new upgrade, it's a change/replacement to a current upgrade. Old/current upgrade brings 1.4km up to 1.68km, so a 120m difference for 1.4km detection torps.

[GraySlayer]

1 minute ago, Nechrom said:

Correction. 120m worse . This isn't a new upgrade, it's a change/replacement to a current upgrade. Old/current upgrade brings 1.4km up to 1.68km, so a 120m difference for 1.4km detection torps.

 

Yes you're right but did anyone use the old one?

[Nechrom]

2 minutes ago, GraySlayer said:

Yes you're right but did anyone use the old one?

The same players who will be using the new one. 

[Lootboxer]

1 hour ago, Beaker71 said:

With the upcoming torp detectability nerf, are WG more or less forcing any DD players to go down the European supersonic torp line - if they still want to enjoy the game?

When natural power-creep is not enough and simple making a new line more OP would hurt too much the most valued core player BBase - WG has to go for speshul measures.

Harsh but demanded by Mighty Quarterly Financial Spreadsheeits.

Turnintoto be.

[Procrastes]

On ‎1‎/‎28‎/‎2020 at 4:49 PM, NoirLotus said:

The worst case is the Black : detection distance goes from 0.9 to 1.8 km, so time to react doubles to be more than 20 seconds.

This. So as a happy owner of the USS Black, I am a bit of a sad panda about this whole projected change. And I am quite attached to my Gadjah Mada as well, although - as has been pointed out - she will probably be considerably less affected.

 

In an effort to think positive, I am sort of hoping for Wargaming to make some balancing buffs to the Black as well as to those Pan-Asians that lie within the target area. So I was an even sadder panda when I read...

4 hours ago, Verblonde said:

FWIW the latest ST notes include some (very modest) buffs to *some* of the worst affected torps (not Black); it's mostly T8+ PA ships.

...this.

 

The Black is, in my opinion, one of those uniquely-flavoured premium ships that work out well without being overpowered. Her radar is useful but seldom an outright game-changer, and her torpedoes are in a class all of their own - much too slow to be used for ambush tactics, but uniquely suited for long-range area denial. They can work surprisingly well, but - again - they are no game-changers. I would be sad to see this lovely little ship lose what I consider to be a big part of her special charms.

 

It should be said, of course, that there is as of yet no way to determine how many skippers will actually choose to mount the new Torpedo Detection System instead of the hitherto unchallenged Concealment Expert. Stealth is such a large part of this game, that I expect that many captains will be loath to let go of an edge in that area even for a hugely useful boost to their torpedo defence.

 

Another thing to consider: One problem with buffing the affected ships to compensate for the effect of the new Torpedo Protection System, is that this would be an outright general buff to those ships in relation to any opponent that does not have the new module (either by choice, or because they can't mount it to begin with). And neither the Black nor any of the Pan-Asians are in need of a general buff to their torpedoes. So I can see why any such buffs would be marginal at best.

 

Oh, well - I guess we shall just have to wait and see what happens!

[britinmadrid]

20 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

It should be said, of course, that there is as of yet no way to determine how many skippers will actually choose to mount the new Torpedo Detection System instead of the hitherto unchallenged Concealment Expert. Stealth is such a large part of this game, that I expect that many captains will be loath to let go of an edge in that area even for a hugely useful boost to their torpedo defence.

 

Another thing to consider: One problem with buffing the affected ships to compensate for the effect of the new Torpedo Protection System, is that this would be an outright general buff to those ships in relation to any opponent that does not have the new module (either by choice, or because they can't mount it to begin with). And neither the Black nor any of the Pan-Asians are in need of a general buff to their torpedoes. So I can see why any such buffs would be marginal at best.

 

1. I'd say a good many will mount this new module as some of the new Swedish torps travel at 85+ knots. At least in the beginning people will feel the need to protect themselves, especially in slow-moving BBs.

 

2. Your second point is valid, of course, but how can this game marry together DWTs and ultra-fast torps? I'm not convinced it can be done.

[elblancogringo]

5 hours ago, Verblonde said:

FWIW the latest ST notes include some (very modest) buffs to *some* of the worst affected torps (not Black); it's mostly T8+ PA ships.

What about the Sims? I think he also has very slow torps right?

[elblancogringo]

3 minutes ago, britinmadrid said:

how can this game marry together DWTs and ultra-fast torps? I'm not convinced it can be done.

Of course it can. Make DW torps fast as well