Mogami main battery upgrade

[CaptainNorse]

I think something needs to be done with the artillery upgrade for the Mogami IJN cruiser. Why spend xp and cash to unlock a module that has a single modifier to ship stats: -4 to artillery. 

 

Basicly pay to make your worse. 

 

Stock guns are far superior to the upgraded ones. Should probably just skip the gun upgrade availability and look at presenting other options for players instead. 

[beercrazy]

I also have skipped the upgrade to guns

just remember though when your facing bb and your shots don't seem to do a lot of damage is when the larger guns would have made a big difference

I tend to play the mogami as a support ship and not as a bb killer and because of this I have the smaller guns and use the torps against bb while keeping the bb under fire with the pew pew pew of the smaller guns

[MassTahh]

Upgrade is historical. Indeed Mogami had a gun swap for which it was even designed. In real life bigger gun - greater range and penetration. In game however 155's are way better because of shotgun effect and reload. Penetration is sufficient to fight DDs and CAs. I imagine bigger guns would do better vs BBs...

[Darth_Glorious]

In next patch, you will need those 8 inches guns to deal with BB....the 6 inches cannot pen them anymore so no damage and HE shells are still too weak.

[mtm78]

In next patch, you will need those 8 inches guns to deal with BB....the 6 inches cannot pen them anymore so no damage and HE shells are still too weak.

 

^^ so much this. 

 

Mogami with 155's will loose it's spot, especially since Mogami and Myoko will be swapped around. 

[Nechrom]

I prefer the 203mm guns to be honest. They are in my opinion superior when fighting both DDs and BBs.

When you spot a DD on a straight course you only get one salvo before he's vanished again or is otherwise making it difficult for you to do follow-up shots.

As for BBs, well the 155mm guns mostly just tickle them, while a good salvo with 203mm AP rounds will do 3k+ damage without any crits to your average BB.

The only real situation where I'd pick 155mm guns is when doing stand-off duels with other cruisers, but even then you rarely get max DPS from such fast firing guns unless you do no maneuvers and you can keep all guns trained on your target at all times with no distractions. Longer reload means more time to focus on other aspects of ship warfare like situational awareness, maneuvering, launching torpedoes, avoiding dangers etc.

[Vanhal]

I think something needs to be done with the artillery upgrade for the Mogami IJN cruiser. Why spend xp and cash to unlock a module that has a single modifier to ship stats: -4 to artillery. 

 

Basicly pay to make your worse. 

 

Stock guns are far superior to the upgraded ones. Should probably just skip the gun upgrade availability and look at presenting other options for players instead. 

 

Japanese 203 mm have very good chance of doing citadel hit against other cruisers and even weaker BB's (with bugged Yamato and weird Warspite that's basically every single BB in game except Nagato). Their con on Mogami is crappy RoF, and much better dpm of 155mm guns (again fault of not working armor).

[Cirrus4000]

I tried the 8 inch guns but have switched back to the 6 inch. This is ideal for other CAs and DDs. If I come up against a BB I switch to HE and try and set him on fire or destroy turrets/engine etc rather than try for HP damage..

[Coenraad]

I find the 203's allot nicer to play with.

Against DD's the 155's might be better but i feel i get better results with the 203's that seem to penetrate citadels more easy on other cruisers and do more damage vs BB's

[DBaron]

I found the 203s beeing superior to the 155s in most situations (especially when sinking a Clever in 2 salvos), if you are a crappy shot however, the higher ROF might be preferable.

[2ndaryBattleTank]

I think it's cool that there is a ship where the choice between guns is actually meaningful. On most ships the battery upgrade is a no brainer. On the Mogami it gives you distinct gameplay possibilities. Neither is necessarily superior to the other, but they do excel in different situations.

[1000guns]

On the Mogami it gives you distinct gameplay possibilities. Neither is necessarily superior to the other, but they do excel in different situations.

Correct, which is actually nice for a GAME  you can pretty much choose if you want to dash ahead and look for independent action (even against BBs) or stick around them for support against CAs and DDs

[OVanBruce]

If you are good at aiming the 203 mm turrets are definetly superior.

[rafisk]

 

^^ so much this. 

 

Mogami with 155's will loose it's spot,

 

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[Historynerd]

In next patch, you will need those 8 inches guns to deal with BB....the 6 inches cannot pen them anymore so no damage and HE shells are still too weak.

 

Agreed.

With the armor mechanics on, we will finally learn to appreciate guns that fire more slowly but that penetrate much more.

[Aernir]

Those 203mm cannons punch though CA citadels as if it barely had any armor at all. A single good volley can inflict upwards of 30k damage, basically ending the fight then and there even if they're on full health to begin with. The 155mm will probably win in a drawn out fight, but the 203mm can make sure that doesn't happen. All that -4 artillery rating tells you is that according to some arbitrary 1-100 rating system (which we have no idea how it's calculated), it's ranked 4 points worse.

[Bl4ckh0g]

The rating is worse,because you get 10 guns with 4 RPM instead of 15 guns with 6,5? RPM, You just have a worse DPM

The 203 mm guns are good for long range, while the 155s excel at close range, but given how friggin fragile the Mogami can be sometimes, I'd go with the 203s

They are way punchier

[valkarianism]

Let's just put it this way:

 

the 5 x 155 is good for fires with high ROF, wrecking secondary guns and all sorts of module damage. 

 

the 5 x 203 allows you to slam shells into the opponent's citadel for a much better damage roll with higher consistent penetrations. this will count for much more in 0.3.1, but currently, those citadel penetrations are the line between victory or defeat in a 1 v 1 duel between you and an enemy.

[Hauptbahnhof]

As for BBs, well the 155mm guns mostly just tickle them, while a good salvo with 203mm AP rounds will do 3k+ damage without any crits to your average BB.

 

 

I tend to do 2-3k damage most of the time with the 155mm guns against BBs, and they reload alot quicker So I guess it comes down to how much damage the + sign is...

[Historynerd]

In the end, people won't just stay with the 155 mm, but will decide wheter they wish for a ship that kills destroyers, or a ship that can go against the big boys.

[OVanBruce]

In the end, people won't just stay with the 155 mm, but will decide wheter they wish for a ship that kills destroyers, or a ship that can go against the big boys.

 

Let's not forget that 2 good 203 mm shells can do 10k damage to a DD too. Only 2.

[OnboardG1]

The 155s feel a little more versatile but the 8 inch guns rip up cruisers. I flit between the, quite a lot. Both are excellent guns for the tier.

[Magni56]

The 20.3cm guns have better accurracy, highe muzzle velocity and a flatter trajectory plus they're a bit mroe reliable against targets with a lot of armor - and will be even moreso once the patch drops. Given that the Mogami is a wee bit fragile in a brawl like pretty much all the IJN CAs, getting used to a long-range skirmishing approach is also a good thing for progressing farther down the line. And the 8-inchers are just plain better for that.

[Shirio]

i loved the 203mm on the Mogami!

[Cirrus4000]

Well, despite my earlier post, and after reading some comments on the thread, I switched back to the 203s and had some good games, especially against BBs. I try not to get into a BB battle though as they out gun and out range me, so I'll only take them on when they are focusing on someone else. But in this situation the 203s are better. Against other CAs and DDs, I've had good games with the 155, so I'm really torn between them both at the moment. I'll probably stick with the 203 a bit longer. Good thing is that they are both good guns and allow you to play different roles depending on your play style preference. Will be interesting to see how the next patch effects how you play them..