WG are you gonna release the % when it comes to boxes?

[kapnobathrac]

Like seriously, I thought this is a normal practice to state the % of getting each item from crates and boxes. Why not be open about it ? this practice makes people think its 99.9% frosty fir tree and 0.1% exeter.This shouldnt be possible in 2020,to hide the percentages,it looks so shady and unprofessional

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 29 Minuten, kapnobathrac sagte:

Like seriously, I thought this is a normal practice to state the % of getting each item from crates and boxes. Why not be open about it ? this practice makes people think its 99.9% frosty fir tree and 0.1% exeter.This shouldnt be possible in 2020,to hide the percentages,it looks so shady and unprofessional

Asking for a % that cannot be verified by the customer is a futile endeavour.

[rilship]

Lets just say out of 14 or so black friday containers plus more than 14 gifts containers I got 0 ships. And I am sure people got like 20 mega with 0 ships. 

[Klopirat]

1 hour ago, kapnobathrac said:

This shouldnt be possible in 2020,to hide the percentages,it looks so shady and unprofessional

why publish numbers where you know that players claim that they are wrong? Especially since so many players do not understand what "random" means, as proven so many times...

 

19 minutes ago, rilship said:

And I am sure people got like 20 mega with 0 ships.

and others got 3 Mega with 3 ships...

[thiextar]

1 hour ago, Klopirat said:

why publish numbers where you know that players claim that they are wrong? Especially since so many players do not understand what "random" means, as proven so many times...

 

and others got 3 Mega with 3 ships...

Regardless, full disclosure of all odds in any sort of lottery system should be legally required and heavily enforced.

[MyopicHedgehog]

27 minutes ago, thiextar said:

Regardless, full disclosure of all odds in any sort of lottery system should be legally required and heavily enforced.

Especially in a game rated suitable for 7 year olds!!!

 

Hang about.  Lottery for 7 year olds?  Rewind.

 

Rate the game 18+ as it has a lottery in it AND ensure the % is shown.  There, that's better.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

I'd prefer they either up the age limit to the appropriate level or sell them outside the game with an age check on websites only. Go off with your gambling for juniors.

[GarrusBrutus]

4 hours ago, kapnobathrac said:

Like seriously, I thought this is a normal practice to state the % of getting each item from crates and boxes. Why not be open about it ? this practice makes people think its 99.9% frosty fir tree and 0.1% exeter.This shouldnt be possible in 2020,to hide the percentages,it looks so shady and unprofessional

[DFens_666]

3 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

 

Or 100% - they always contain something

[GraySlayer]

4 hours ago, kapnobathrac said:

Like seriously, I thought this is a normal practice to state the % of getting each item from crates and boxes. Why not be open about it ? this practice makes people think its 99.9% frosty fir tree and 0.1% exeter.This shouldnt be possible in 2020,to hide the percentages,it looks so shady and unprofessional

Just don't buy them. I stopped when I realised it was so gamed and all I was getting were crappy T5 and 6 rubbish. 

[Afghanicus]

Never bought one, never will.

 

WG will never reveal the slim chances of getting anything useful. 

 

That won't change. Accept it or don't buy any lootboxes.

[Hanse77SWE]

Problem is that people expect to get the rare stuff when they buy a lottery ticket/loot crate. There were 86 different ships so just by that alone it's a 1/86 chance (not including ships you already have) to get the ship you want. Lower your expectations and you will avoid alot of "pain".

 

The trick is to look at the lowest prize and ask yourself if that is worth the money. If the answer is "no" then you shouldn't buy any crates/ticket at all.

For me, I've opened over 40 crates and got just one ship (Ark Royal) and I'm fine with that because I didn't spend any money at all.

[Dan7e_DMC]

2 hours ago, thiextar said:

Regardless, full disclosure of all odds in any sort of lottery system should be legally required and heavily enforced.

Even if they did publish the % chance they can still be misleading.  You are playing against something designed to take your money and give next to nothing in return.  You know what you signed up for when you hit the "purchase" button. 

[RigorMortis76]

Wargaming will NEVER release the percentages of what you can get with lootboxes untill EU regulations will force gaming companies to do so.

[Phayk]

12 hours ago, rilship said:

Lets just say out of 14 or so black friday containers plus more than 14 gifts containers I got 0 ships. And I am sure people got like 20 mega with 0 ships. 

That has nothing to do with what you're asking for.

 

If you want to prevent those results you'd need a pity timer.

[Captain_Newman]

When will people realize that random doesn't work by equal distribution.. a 10% chance doesn't mean you get 1 out of 10, not necessarily. Give a 10% chance to 100 people, some will get nothing, others 1, some will get greater results...  

 

Look, I'm not particularly fond of the lootbox business model. It's smart, don't get me wrong - it's a fantastic way of getting money out of the community, but fostering these gambling habits when a bunch of your player base are kids isn't something I'd call on the up and up.

 

However, they're here, and when you buy them, you need to be aware that rng is just that - rng. That means it's entirely possible you'll buy 20 megas and get 0 ships. Or you might get 1. Or you migt get extremely lucky and get 8. If you're ok with taking a financial risk to try and get some ship drops, fine, give it a shot. If you're not ok with the possibility of buying 20 boxes and getting nothing you wanted, then don't. buy. them.

 

Knowing percentages you can't really check isn't going to help with any of this.

[kapnobathrac]

well if they did put up the percentages we should assume they arent lying,if thats the case then we should not be playing this game at all. Some trust has to exist and WG should behave in a decent manner,if they do put it up,put the corect info.

 

A mega crate drops :

35 % 20 frosty fir tree

10% 4000 doubloons

10% 10,000 coal

20% 10 Steam Camo

15% 10 of the special signals

10% a premium ship (where any drop is possible regardelss of what ship you have).

 

Why cant it be like this ? Why wouldnt WG state the truth if they did show the percentages,is everything here based in tricking the other person ?

[SquibSurefire]

Because I would guess it is closer to 0.1%, in which case, no-one would buy them.

 

For me personally, I would not believe them whatever they said as, for me, they have lied (or misled the customer for all the politically correct folk) far too often.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

13 hours ago, kapnobathrac said:

Like seriously, I thought this is a normal practice to state the % of getting each item from crates and boxes. Why not be open about it ? this practice makes people think its 99.9% frosty fir tree and 0.1% exeter.This shouldnt be possible in 2020,to hide the percentages,it looks so shady and unprofessional

 

Here is detailed statistics done by our fellow forumite @black_falcon120 with 1200+ crates in:

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yTB3H4-gALuAdWXLCIhJtUzAWiJbKZ-hrzKwWh8wYRw/edit#gid=1082135538

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[OseiP]

10 hours ago, GraySlayer said:

...Just don't buy them....

That does not help, if you have a gambling addiction - and loot boxes are gambling (it does not matter if it is EV- or EV+, as WG claims, that you get at least your money back in the value of goods).

As stated above, WG should have an adult check buying boxes/crates and a link on their website for people with gambling addictions to search for help like online gamling sites must have.

[rilship]

14 hours ago, Klopirat said:

 

 

and others got 3 Mega with 3 ships...

The fact that there is one Chinese person over 2m tall for every 10 000 000 short ones does not make the % of tall ones any better. Same goes with the crates.

[Excavatus]

1 hour ago, kapnobathrac said:

A mega crate drops :

35 % 20 frosty fir tree

10% 4000 doubloons

10% 10,000 coal

20% 10 Steam Camo

15% 10 of the special signals

10% a premium ship (where any drop is possible regardelss of what ship you have).

Lets say WG said exactly this..

and you bought and opened 50 Mega Crates..

Not a single Prem Ship dropped..

What will you do after that?

What will you think?

What will you write here in forums...

I'm genuinely asking this...

 

[rilship]

2 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

Lets say WG said exactly this..

and you bought and opened 50 Mega Crates..

Not a single Prem Ship dropped..

What will you do after that?

What will you think?

What will you write here in forums...

I'm genuinely asking this...

 

The thing is, if WG states the % chance then it will be easily checked if true or not given players submit their drops into a DB.

[Excavatus]

39 minutes ago, rilship said:

The thing is, if WG states the % chance then it will be easily checked if true or not given players submit their drops into a DB.

That is exactly the problem..

when you have a %10 chance for something,
and getting 0 result after trying that something for 100 times,

does not prove the %10 chance statement is wrong.

That is not how statistics work...

 

Let me try to make it clear..

when you see %10 chance, you understand, There are 100 boxes infront of you, and 10 of them are not empty.
Nothing less nothing more.. Limited tries.. So If you try it out, after 10 or 20 picks, you can see %0, %100 or %50 statistics..

but you think, when you open that 100 boxes, you'll encounter 10 not empty boxes flat...

Actually it is not like that, because there are unlimited tries infront of you.

you are not pulling prizes out of a pool..

you are trying to pull prizes out of an unlimited number of choices..

 

Let me try again,

When you have 10 boxes with 1 not empty... you get %10 chance to get that not empty box when you open 1..

Then you or people believe now 9 boxes left.. that means I have 11% chance to get that not empty box..

Pick again.. now 8 left.. %12,5 chance..

But the actual process is, whenever you pick a box out of 10,

the game fills the missing spot with another box..

 

So basically, buying 1000 santa crates and getting 0 prem ships out of them, does not negate or disprove the statement of you have a %10 chance to win a prem ship..

Neither getting 10 crates and winning 10 prem ship...

 

 

[rilship]

9 minutes ago, Excavatus said:

 

you are not pulling prizes out of a pool..

you are trying to pull prizes out of an unlimited number of choices..

 

 

 

Exactly this! It is up to WG to make sure the "unlimited" is changed to a certain value so that if I am willing to invest 200 euro for example on 40 Mega Crates, the mentioned crates carry 10% out of 40 not out of unlimited potential crates. because at it stands WG surprise mechanics is way worse than any casino by miles.