Game is no fun at this stage

[Captn_TittiTakka]

Hi,

I want to share some thougts with newer players.

 

Played last year a few months intensively and drove german line till lvl 7 and had at some point no fun to invest more time and money.

After quitting for a year I started two months ago again.  Now my highest ships are german battleship lvl 7 and cruiser lvl 9.

Bought 3 premium ships but two of them were downgraded and no fun anymore (crap in actual gameplay).  Daily missions are getting boring again. Could have invested more money for brainless smolensk last month to win more games but was not inspired. I was happy to see the puerto rico quest coming. But unfortunately this is no fun either and the ship is crap. What is wrong with you guys from WOW?

There is no teamplay in most of games, no motivation to change that and there are a lot of haters, when you are in higher tiers.

Have nearly enough coal now for high tier ships but are not inspired to buy one of them. The learning curve does take to much time, that it is not motivating, because next updates, the good ships will be downgraded and you will be forced to go after the next supposed strong ship, to squeeze out of the game at least even some fun.

 

After these experiences I am very dissapointed and don't think, that I will play much longer or at least not high tiers and without paying money any more.

I would like to see rewarding team-spirit, consistent ships (grinding is no fun and downgrading good ships to crap is frustrating - especially after this painful grinds) and nice stories.

In that case, i would be willing to spend 10 to 15 Euros per month on this game. 65€ for a Jean Bart or Georgia is impudent. But now, its obvious how greedy and egoistic WOW is.
Just my opinion.

[ColonelPete]

• Premium ships do not get "downgraded"
• If this happens to silver ships, it usually happens for a reason
• Smolensk would not make you win more
• I suggest to play less or stop, when you have no fun

[ForlornSailor]

50 minutes ago, Captn_TittiTakka said:

Bought 3 premium ships but two of them were downgraded and no fun anymore (crap in actual gameplay

 

Now I wonder, to which of your premiums you refer. T-61? Lo Yang? Scharnhorst?

 

51 minutes ago, Captn_TittiTakka said:

Have nearly enough coal now for high tier ships but are not inspired to buy one of them. The learning curve does take to much time, that it is not motivating

 

So you figured out there is a learning curve yet insist of playing high tiers. An environment, its obvious, you are lost in. No wonder you dont have fun. So im wondering: why dont you stay at lower tiers? T4/T5? Where you can actually try to carry your own weight and learn the game? Yet you think about more high tier ships.

[Skurfa]

1 hour ago, ForlornSailor said:

 No wonder you dont have fun. So im wondering: why dont you stay at lower tiers? T4/T5? Where you can actually try to carry your own weight and learn the game? Yet you think about more high tier ships.

 

CV's are totally breaking and ruining the game down there.

 

Higher tiers are way easier in almost all aspects, and more fun.

[lossi_2018]

Believe me almost no one enjoys the game rn, I hope you find some fun anyway :)

[Hedgehog1963]

4 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

• Premium ships do not get "downgraded"

You really lost it this time Petey boy.

 

Spotting cruiser in smoke range  made Belfast half the ship she used to be.

The change in view range for firing ships was a massive huge downgrade for Gemyashchy.

 

But please continue.  I'm sure you'll wriggle and squirm now.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Here is a guy, speaking his mind and feelings for the game and he is not alone in the thought (ignore the details)...

 

And what's the solution WG comes up with? Research buiro and regrind fiesta.

 

Good luck captain.

[CptMinia]

Hello,

          Learning curve? What learning curve? The game has been continously dumbed down over the last four years, gameplay these days is so stale and frustrating and is so dependant on RNG. You can give thanks to the British HE Battleships, Jap torpedo nerfs, HE buffs, deep-water torpedoes, russian battleships, radar and smoke almost everywhere, the overpen mechanics and lowered citadels. WarGaming in trying to diversify and make every nation ship-line "unique" with their own traits has completely stalled the meta, but then years of listening to arrogant players might have done that, such as people who call battleships weak because they do not know about situational awareness or the fact they have a rudder. 

 

WG introduced so many changes in the last 2 years which have each time, drastically, worsened gameplay. Anybody here been playing long enough to remember the days when the majority of battles ended with a draw? Hands up? 

 

 

[Captn_TittiTakka]

Vor 5 Stunden, ColonelPete sagte:

• Premium ships do not get "downgraded"
• If this happens to silver ships, it usually happens for a reason
• Smolensk would not make you win more
• I suggest to play less or stop, when you have no fun

I speak about changing the balance, which downgrades ships indirect.

 

Vor 4 Stunden, ForlornSailor sagte:

 

Now I wonder, to which of your premiums you refer. T-61? Lo Yang? Scharnhorst?

 

 

So you figured out there is a learning curve yet insist of playing high tiers. An environment, its obvious, you are lost in. No wonder you dont have fun. So im wondering: why dont you stay at lower tiers? T4/T5? Where you can actually try to carry your own weight and learn the game? Yet you think about more high tier ships.

Lo Yang, Leningrad and Shiny Horse.

The learning curve is one thing, the other is the big degree between some very good ships and a lot of crap.
Take the Fiji for example.
Why is it so damn strong in comparsion to the York? When I got that ship, I was a lot better instantly.
Played a lot Tier 5 and 6 but there is no teamplay either and more sheeps are sailing to instant death. Frustrating as it is in higher tiers.
I think, there is not so much of a learning curve than to get forced to grind for ships that are working in the actual patch.
But an filter to bring people with nearly same skill together would be very nice. The company has enough stats, to implement that algorithm.

 

Another stupid example for dumb unbalanced ships are german compared to russian battleships.
Had two double citadels with my first russian bb in the first run which is reproducable even at higher tiers. Try to get citadels on a cruiser 3 km away with a german bb same tier.

There is no learning curve and it makes absolutely no sense.

 

Vor 3 Stunden, Skurfa sagte:

 

CV's are totally breaking and ruining the game down there.

 

Higher tiers are way easier in almost all aspects, and more fun.

Tier 7 for me was fun for some time, because at least some player team up, there are not so much stupid strong ships for way to much money or grinding to get but the Tier gets boring after some time.

Unfortunatelly CV's ruined a lot, what attracted me last year. Had a passion for destroyer but this year with instant spotting planes, island sitting and such stuff I lost a lot of interest.
 

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Hedgehog1963 said:

You really lost it this time Petey boy.

 

Spotting cruiser in smoke range  made Belfast half the ship she used to be.

The change in view range for firing ships was a massive huge downgrade for Gemyashchy.

 

But please continue.  I'm sure you'll wriggle and squirm now.

Really?

Half the ship?

Please compare the stats from back then with now!

These were global changes, not ship changes.

5 minutes ago, Captn_TittiTakka said:

I speak about changing the balance, which downgrades ships indirect.

 

Lo Yang, Leningrad and Shiny Horse.

Then adapt. All three ships work fine.

[Captn_TittiTakka]

Vor 24 Minuten, ColonelPete sagte:

Then adapt. All three ships work fine.

 

You played 7 games in the leningrad with poor stats and 12 in the loyang.
Dosn't look like its fun for you and works very nice.
But maybe you will show me how it works. I am happy to learn some new tricks. The Blyska in which you are good is comparable i think.
 

The Scharnhorst works fine for me too, if the team works together.

[ColonelPete]

Just now, Captn_TittiTakka said:

With that number of games, you barely have any practice in them. And the results do not look bad.

[Captn_TittiTakka]

Vor 11 Minuten, ColonelPete sagte:

With that number of games, you barely have any practice in them. And the results do not look bad.

That are your stats
Put mine below

 

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Captn_TittiTakka said:

That are your stats
Put mine below

 

Spot the difference!

Looking superficially at stats is a bad idea.

Interestingly you left out Scharnhorst and Minsk, which is a objectivly weaker version of Leningrad.

 

But personal stats do not prove anything.

I suggest to look at the server stats:

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20191214/eu_2month/average_ship.html

 

[KillStealBoss]

6 hours ago, Captn_TittiTakka said:

There is no teamplay in most of games, no motivation to change that and there are a lot of haters, when you are in higher tiers

You can't blame WG for that. Players don't wanna cooperate, they play yolo/camp mode. So this makes everything toxic when players in high tiers when others expect normal behaviour and support, not yolo and waste your ship or camp and not hit anything . 

[KillStealBoss]

Though the OP also doesn't seem to be helpful looking at his... "Accomplishments" and contributing the team... 

You have a long way mate to learn out some things. 

[invicta2012]

1 hour ago, Captn_TittiTakka said:

Take the Fiji for example.
Why is it so damn strong in comparsion to the York? When I got that ship, I was a lot better instantly.

Well, Fiji fires 12 shells every 8 seconds, as opposed to Yorck's 8 shells every 12 seconds. However Yorck - since they fixed its AP - is more than capable of whacking a Fiji into oblivion. That's how it goes between Light and Heavy Cruisers (or at least, how it's supposed to go) and it is balanced.

 

But Yorck feels tougher to play because, if you're facing a Fiji, the opponents rate of fire has a psychologically intimidating effect on you. You see your HP going down, the constant stream of shells, you may react badly and show too much side, or fire your guns too early.... but if he gives you an opportunity you can whack him back, hard. The Italian cruisers are very good at this sort of CA counter-punching style.

[Captain_Newman]

52 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

You can't blame WG for that. Players don't wanna cooperate, they play yolo/camp mode. So this makes everything toxic when players in high tiers when others expect normal behaviour and support, not yolo and waste your ship or camp and not hit anything . 

 

Especially so this holiday patch, most of my teams for the last few days play worse than they should if they just finished installing the game for the first time 5 min ago.

[Hedgehog1963]

3 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

These were global changes, not ship changes.

 

 

Still a nerf to both premium ships.

[ColonelPete]

11 minutes ago, Hedgehog1963 said:

 

Still a nerf to both premium ships.

Yes, such a "nerf"...

"Half the ship she used to be"

[GraySlayer]

4 hours ago, nambr9 said:

Here is a guy, speaking his mind and feelings for the game and he is not alone in the thought (ignore the details)...

 

And what's the solution WG comes up with? Research buiro and regrind fiesta.

 

Good luck captain.

 

He might be speaking his mind but his feelings are not universal. I enjoy the games I play in. Oh and i've just got smol and am rubbish in it so far. Smol is not an IWIN button.

 

To be fair to me as a DD main it's not a meta im used to so will practice a bit more in My Fiji before playing her again..

 

The OP is a bad player in all Tiers. I am astounded he is even playing at T9!

 

He needs to

 

Watch some vids on how to play this game

Pick a ship class and stick with it until it's mastered

Stick with low tiers until he is a plus 50%WR player at least

[Hedgehog1963]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

Yes, such a "nerf"...

"Half the ship she used to be"

 

So significant that WG were prepared to refund you the value of Belfast and Kutusov in dubloons when the change came.

 

But carry on...

[KillStealBoss]

3 hours ago, CptMinia said:

Anybody here been playing long enough to remember the days when the majority of battles ended with a draw? Hands up? 

I do, few weeks ago I had a draw playing on Ark Royal. 

[ColonelPete]

11 minutes ago, Hedgehog1963 said:

 

So significant that WG were prepared to refund you the value of Belfast and Kutusov in dubloons when the change came.

 

But carry on...

Yes, that looks "significant", "half the ship" as you said

[Oppressor_]

10 hours ago, Captn_TittiTakka said:

Hi,

I want to share some thougts with newer players.

 

Played last year a few months intensively and drove german line till lvl 7 and had at some point no fun to invest more time and money.

After quitting for a year I started two months ago again.  Now my highest ships are german battleship lvl 7 and cruiser lvl 9.

Bought 3 premium ships but two of them were downgraded and no fun anymore (crap in actual gameplay).  Daily missions are getting boring again. Could have invested more money for brainless smolensk last month to win more games but was not inspired. I was happy to see the puerto rico quest coming. But unfortunately this is no fun either and the ship is crap. What is wrong with you guys from WOW?

There is no teamplay in most of games, no motivation to change that and there are a lot of haters, when you are in higher tiers.

Have nearly enough coal now for high tier ships but are not inspired to buy one of them. The learning curve does take to much time, that it is not motivating, because next updates, the good ships will be downgraded and you will be forced to go after the next supposed strong ship,

 

Sorry matey, I really do not want to offend you, but honestly you are simply wrong with most of these statements. You blame everybody around you because of your failures. Pleas take this as a constructive criticism and capitalize on it:

 

Do a quick analysis of your stats: https://wows-numbers.com/player/557338005,Captn_TittiTakka/?

 

As you see you badly underperform in  every class, every tier does not matter its solo or division. Your 28% survival rate suggests you just yolo every game. As you play higher tiers you become even worse. That means you have not mastered the loweer tiers, and dont know the ship charateritics.

You might think that getting an actual OP ship, rushing to higher tiers to get a badass ship, or a good premium will instantly make you better player or win more.

 

You are wrong with that. In contrary it will prevent you from getting better. The gameplay is much more intense and tactics based in higher tiers. Everything becoms exponentially stronger (radars, hydros, torps, heals, CV, etc, etc..) You will blame WG, your actual team in game or anything to validate your failure.

 

You simply must invest much more time educating yourself and excersize! 

Try to stay in middle tiers while focusing on a single class at once. Watch educational videos, read guides from relevant players. Check your stats and and always try to improve the field you are falling short. It can take from 1k to 10k battles to show improvement, based individually on a player. The most important thing is overcoming ones ego and to have a growth mindset. Or if you just hate the game then quit it. 

 

Imho there is always room for self building and improvement.