WG and WOW maybe just lost a CC

[lovemasin]

 

[GarrusBrutus]

Ichase was already removed from the cc program a while ago. 

[Captain_Newman]

2 hours ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Ichase was already removed from the cc program a while ago. 

 

Yea, that was way back in the RTS CV era, when they released the first iteration of the GZ that was terrible and he said "whoever thought this was in a good state to be sold should be fired".

 

Then WG removed him in response, there was some predictable backlash from the community, WG invited him back, but he declined. That's how I remember it, in a nutshell.

[bushwacker001]

28 minutes ago, lovemasin said:

 

Oh the drama.......it's a game ffs, if people don't like it they don't have to play, easy.  Emphasis on 'play'

[KillStealBoss]

Well I totally agree with him.

[KillStealBoss]

14 hours ago, bushwacker001 said:

Oh the drama.......it's a game ffs, if people don't like it they don't have to play, easy.  Emphasis on 'play'

If you put money on it you would make drama. And after having promised the T10 legendary modules will be "permanent" missions then you'll also make a drama. Well, they won't quit playing because of that - but telling them to quit is just.... I don't wanna use bad words here. 

[bushwacker001]

1 minute ago, MacArthur92 said:

If you put money on it you would make drama. And after having promised the T10 legendary modules will be "permanent" missions then you'll also make a drama. Well, little won't quit playing because of that - but telling them to quit is jest.... I don't wanna use bad words here. 

But why put money on it before finding out the facts? Just to be first? The legendary modules thing hasn't even happened yet and there are no facts released on how it will be done ..... even if it does happen.   

[Inked9]

15 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Ichase was already removed from the cc program a while ago.

Even removed as you said, he is still reporting/explaining on WG/WOW, on what ever maybe good or slecht with WG/WOW.

As it stands now for me is the same as what you posted in another section of the game play forum. I, myself would not recommend WoW to anyone either and has been that way for almost a year. I think that's the reason why I stopped getting the "would you recommend surveys". Now I just play, with the hope that the game does get better.

[soralapio]

25 minutes ago, bushwacker001 said:

Oh the drama.......it's a game ffs, if people don't like it they don't have to play, easy.  Emphasis on 'play'

Yes, it is a game. A game we're supposed to play for fun, not something designed to feel like a second job (except with less rewards), which is the direction World of Warships is moving in. All their recent decisions have been weirdly antagonistic and outright hostile towards players. Rewards keep getting slashed (compare the steel hauls from this years snowflake even to last year's), the grinds keep getting exponentially harder and generally Wargaming seem completely out of touch with how the game feels to play these days, and how the players generally feel about it. We have their customer service reps bald-facedly lying to players ("the Gorizia grind is actually easier than the P.E.F. grind"). 

 

It's getting extremely hard to support this company, and forget about actually liking them or feeling positive about them. I used to be a pretty big whale but now I'm pretty much half a footstep away from getting out permanently, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone, as illustrated by iChase's video and general sentiments on the forums / Reddit. Wargaming hear it, they know it, they don't give a crap about it. 

[bushwacker001]

1 minute ago, soralapio said:

Yes, it is a game. A game we're supposed to play for fun, not something designed to feel like a second job (except with less rewards), which is the direction World of Warships is moving in. All their recent decisions have been weirdly antagonistic and outright hostile towards players. Rewards keep getting slashed (compare the steel hauls from this years snowflake even to last year's), the grinds keep getting exponentially harder and generally Wargaming seem completely out of touch with how the game feels to play these days, and how the players generally feel about it. We have their customer service reps bald-facedly lying to players ("the Gorizia grind is actually easier than the P.E.F. grind"). 

 

It's getting extremely hard to support this company, and forget about actually liking them or feeling positive about them. 

but you still play it. 

[Miragetank90]

Things are on fire, yeah.

But at least the memes are top tier. 

 

 

 

[soralapio]

1 hour ago, bushwacker001 said:

but you still play it. 

Yeah that's a brilliant strategy. "Well out increasingly stupid [edited] hasn't completely alienated all our players yet, it's just made them actively dislike us and edge closer to quitting our game for good" isn't exactly an indicator that Wargaming are moving in a good direction.

 

EDIT: to clarify. The reason most of us are upset about crap like this is that deep down, we really DO like the game. If we didn't, we would have walked away ages ago. It's frustrating when a good, occasionally even great, game is turned into a sharp decline by baffling and hostile decisions from the game's creators. When people like us who want to play the game, want to like the game, and want to support the game start going "hang on, this is all [edited] and not really worth my time", you've got to be REALLY worried. World of Warships is never going to be a mainstream hit, and when it starts to lose its vocal supporters you might as well stick a fork in the game, because it'll be done.

[Akula971]

When you look at a computer screen, concentrating on something, you only blink one third as much as normal. This leads to less fluid being distributed across the eyeball, and can result in dry eyes. Especially for older player like myself. I'd like to thank WarGaming Saint Petersburg for giving me no good reason to play their game as much, and for improving my vision as a result

 

Most companies:_ Listen to consumers, try to develop new and exciting products that their customers want to buy, want to talk about.

Most computer Game companies:_ ~Ignore their customers, treat them with contempt, try all sorts of nefarious ways to extract money from them. Put less time into making a product fun to use or play.

 

Imagine if WarGaming were a bus company. You get on a bus, happy in the knowledge that in 30 minutes you'll be home. On Wargaming bus? Route changes mid journey, now it will take hours to get home. Bus man says you must pay more as route is longer. You ask why? They says its because they like the one special needs kid licking the window, and he likes to see more scenery. You, and the rest of the passengers are then  told to stop whining about bus company, not going to change.

 

Do you want to get on that bus again? or is there another bus that gets you to where you want to go, serves snacks, you ride in comfort, and get a loyalty card for being a good regular customer, a card that gets you discounts on future promotions. Later you read about a bus company that closed with lots of customer/shareholders left in debt of time and money invested. They apparently took their customers for granted.

 

If you don't provide what a customer wants, then somebody else will. That is the nice thing about free market capitalism. We have a choice.

[CptBarney]

The other cc’s dont seem to care at all really. Didnt even know ichase was removed untill now.

what else could weegee do to add moar vodka to very big fire?

[BLUB__BLUB]

22 minutes ago, Akula971 said:

Do you want to get on that bus again? or is there another bus that gets you to where you want to go

So far, I havent found another bus. 

I have found a train (turned out to be a trainwreck) and such, but no bus.

BTW that train offered the same kind of service. 

[Inked9]

47 minutes ago, Akula971 said:

When you look at a computer screen, concentrating on something, you only blink one third as much as normal. This leads to less fluid being distributed across the eyeball, and can result in dry eyes. Especially for older player like myself. I'd like to thank WarGaming Saint Petersburg for giving me no good reason to play their game as much, and for improving my vision as a result

 

Most companies:_ Listen to consumers, try to develop new and exciting products that their customers want to buy, want to talk about.

Most computer Game companies:_ ~Ignore their customers, treat them with contempt, try all sorts of nefarious ways to extract money from them. Put less time into making a product fun to use or play.

 

Imagine if WarGaming were a bus company. You get on a bus, happy in the knowledge that in 30 minutes you'll be home. On Wargaming bus? Route changes mid journey, now it will take hours to get home. Bus man says you must pay more as route is longer. You ask why? They says its because they like the one special needs kid licking the window, and he likes to see more scenery. You, and the rest of the passengers are then  told to stop whining about bus company, not going to change.

 

Do you want to get on that bus again? or is there another bus that gets you to where you want to go, serves snacks, you ride in comfort, and get a loyalty card for being a good regular customer, a card that gets you discounts on future promotions. Later you read about a bus company that closed with lots of customer/shareholders left in debt of time and money invested. They apparently took their customers for granted.

 

If you don't provide what a customer wants, then somebody else will. That is the nice thing about free market capitalism. We have a choice.

Well put. My 1st bus was Nova Logic with the whole Delta Force Series until they were bought out by THQ and then went to the 2nd bus of Wot until they shrunk the maps and began the corridor fighting. Then ventured to WoW before they started nerfing the IJN Line, with what ever else for the new plug and play with out learning what is what players came on complaining,  sniffling about everything to included their tongues sticking to the window frames. So I am looking for that other bus that fits the bill of what Nova Logic had; Multi-player random sets ( with more maps, make your own maps for even in co-op (section for players to do this), Plus the regular game scenarios it self that came with the disc etc., but to find something like that is finding a needle in a hay stack.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

9 hours ago, bushwacker001 said:

Oh the drama.......it's a game ffs, if people don't like it they don't have to play, easy.  Emphasis on 'play'

 

Well, that is our emphasis. WG's emphasis is one letter shorter.

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 8 Stunden, Akula971 sagte:

 

Do you want to get on that bus again?

Only if I wear my bus pants.

[Profilus]

10 hours ago, bushwacker001 said:

Oh the drama.......it's a game ffs, if people don't like it they don't have to play, easy.  Emphasis on 'play'

 

9 hours ago, bushwacker001 said:

But why put money on it before finding out the facts? Just to be first? The legendary modules thing hasn't even happened yet and there are no facts released on how it will be done ..... even if it does happen.   

People and comments like these encourage WG to do  crap like PR.

WG has lost their right for reasonable doubt

[MyopicHedgehog]

9 hours ago, soralapio said:

Yeah that's a brilliant strategy. "Well out increasingly stupid [edited] hasn't completely alienated all our players yet, it's just made them actively dislike us and edge closer to quitting our game for good" isn't exactly an indicator that Wargaming are moving in a good direction.

 

EDIT: to clarify. The reason most of us are upset about crap like this is that deep down, we really DO like the game. If we didn't, we would have walked away ages ago. It's frustrating when a good, occasionally even great, game is turned into a sharp decline by baffling and hostile decisions from the game's creators. When people like us who want to play the game, want to like the game, and want to support the game start going "hang on, this is all [edited] and not really worth my time", you've got to be REALLY worried. World of Warships is never going to be a mainstream hit, and when it starts to lose its vocal supporters you might as well stick a fork in the game, because it'll be done.

 

QFT.

 

BTW, any one that believes WeeGee's "we haven't decided yet" spiel - well lets just say I've got a beautiful bridge for sale here...

[Capra76]

8 hours ago, CptBarney said:

Didnt even know ichase was removed untill now.

 

I'm fairly sure he's back in the program, IIRC he was at the CC summit earlier in the year and the "someone should be sacked" incident was a long time before that.

[Bellegar]

11 hours ago, GarrusBrutus said:

Ichase was already removed from the cc program a while ago. 

Well he was and he wasn't.

 

He got removed from the WG CC programme over his comments about Graf Zep.

Later, Jingles and PointyHairedJedi voluntairily quit that same WG CC programme over Foch gate.

 

However, at some point in time (sorry, I can't remember the exact timing), WG changed the way their CC programmes were set up. They split CC programmes on a per title basis, so you had WOT CCs and WOWS CCs.

Ichase, along with Jingles (I'm not sure about Jedi) did feel comfortable enough with the WOWS EU team to re-apply for WOWS CC status.

 

So yes, he got kicked from the WG CC programme over the Graf Zep debacle, but no, he got never kicked from the WOWS CC programme.

[Bellegar]

10 hours ago, bushwacker001 said:

Oh the drama.......it's a game ffs, if people don't like it they don't have to play, easy.  Emphasis on 'play'

Oh the drama.... it's a forum ffs, if people don't like it they don't have to read, easy. Emphasis on 'read'

 

 

You are completely free to come here and b*tch about people that are rightfully complaining about a company pulling a sh*t move. But then I'm completely free to come here and b*tch about your attitude that is the whole reason why this filthy lying company is pulling these 'events' in the first place.

 

If you are actually defending WG over something as bad as the whole Puerto Rico clusterf*ck, you're even worse than I thought.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Is it just that memories are golden or something, or why do I feel WG, especially WoWS, has been steadily declining and going more and more from making considered, balanced decisions and planning into complete scamming clusterf*ck chaos mode?

[bushwacker001]

1 hour ago, Profilus said:

 

People and comments like these encourage WG to do  crap like PR.

 

So having a different point of view is not allowed?