How to react to the PR thing

[Dazzed]

We all know what the PR grind is all about.

Let me sum it up for people who have not figured it out yet:

 

First WG is getting everyone hyped for a new, very cool event where you can supposedly build yourself a new t10 cruiser for free, by "simply" completing a set of missions.

If you don't have the time to complete all of said missions, you can still get the ship by buying boosters for doubloons.

 

Turns out, in order to "simply" complete said missions in time, you would have to spend an avarage of 10-12 hours every single day grinding for almost 30 days.

That equals roughly 300 hours of grind, and as an avarage player, you might not even be able to make it in that time.

To put that into perspective, assuming you would use that time working for 15 Euro/hour, you could earn 4500 Euro which could buy you a small second hand car, 2-4 weeks of luxury vacation, pay rent for a small apartment for more than half a year, and so on.

Or, you know, you can work on getting a Puerto Rico instead.

 

But thats not enough.

 

First of all, you need a lot of different high tier ships, premium or at least very rare camos, rare flags and obviously a premium account if you want even the slightest chance of finishing the grind "for free". chances are, at least for the premium account, you will have to spend money.

 

Many people will buy 1, 2 or even all 3 premium booster for the PR beforehand, to ease up the grind. That means they pay around 20, 50, or 80(!!) Euros up front, but they don't even get the ship! 80 Euos is enough to buy a special edition of ANY brand new AAA game out there. THE FULL GAME. that should be enogh to get any single asset in a "F2P" game right? right?? no, thats not even close to being enough! They also have to still grind dozens of hours, might not be able to finish in time, and THEN the event is about to end with them being so close, yet so far from actually being rewarded.

 

And that is where the real impudence of this event design by wargaming shows its ugly face.

People spent money on premium booster. They've been grinding for weeks towards getting the PR.

And the event is designed in a way that you're bound to run out of time.

"No problem" sais wargaming.

"Just pay us some more money now, or all your progress, all your time and money spent already on PR will be wiped in X hours."

 

Of course people are gonna pay! Everyone who invested into getting PR from the start WILL be paying in the end to get it!

Its evil genious. The climax of predatory marketing right there.

 

This is Wargaming taking a massive smelly dump on all of their loyal playerbase, most of which already spent multiples of an AAA games worth on this game.

 

So how to react to this, you may ask?

Well, first of all, ignore this piece of s*** PR event.

Don't even try to start unless you're willing to pay at least over 100 Euro on a single Premium ship that, frankly, isnt even a good ship to begin with.

Or, alternatively, you try to grind it for free - and most likely end up wasting hundreds of hours, all your free time within the next month, plus you'll likely still have to pay over 50-100 bucks on top of all your free time so it doesnt go to waste.

 

The reality is, most people love to have something to brag about. Having a PR will be a truly special thing, because of how expensive it is in terms of time/money spent.

People don't buy the most expensive designer things because they look nice. They buy them because they can afford them and others cannot, making them feel "special", or "better".

The whales out there will pay for PR, because most of them don't care, and they can, while others can't, giving them something to feel good about.

 

This is ridiculous. Objectively PR is not worth the investment required, not even close.

Just as Gucci sweatpants are not worth 1200 Bucks, not even close.

 

My advice is, do not fall for this trap. Do not give wargaming any money whatsoever this christmas. They tried to screw you. They are trying to screw every single one of us here, and they certainly don't deserve any of our money for this.

 

This is what i suggest.

 

Boycott wargaming this christmas.

 

The only way to show WG that we won't accept to be screwed over is not giving them any money anymore.

 

If we don't this might only be the start, the next "free" ship will be even more ridicuous if this one is successful for them.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

I would caution at least against buying those loot boxes unless you know what you are doing. It  seems they are rigged to have poorer loot if you buy them in smaller batches, and better loot if you go for the full batch of 20 boxes at go. No hard data to back it up,  just the way I see it based on a bit of 'sampling' I did.

 

Buy 20, or don't buy, in short. Don't buy, save your money for some nice instead.

 

As for a full 'embargo' I'd wait and see what they will do 'fix things right' in the coming weeks. I certainly will expect them to rethink and react and base my further 'relationship' with WG on the outcome of this latest... not sure what to call it, disaster, scandal or travesty.

[Krieger00]

Question, if someone buys a booster for dubloons...and doesn't finish the PR before the end of the event and does not pay additional dubloons to get it....does it mean they spent real money on something they wont get?

What I mean is, if the building of the ship wasn't time resticted, then spending 80€ on boosters and nothing more would get you the ship after some time.

Is this even legal in some countrys? Imagen Porsche beeing like "pay 50k € and your porsche will be build faster, but if it isn't done after 30 days and you wont spent additional 100K€,then you wont get the car nor your money back"

 

 

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, Krieger00 said:

Question, if someone buys a booster for dubloons...and doesn't finish the PR before the end of the event and does not pay additional dubloons to get it....does it mean they spent real money on something they wont get? 

 

Yes, you can still fail even if you invest the 24k doubloons right away. You wont get PR, but you will get those other rewards along the way. Which they would probably tell you if you fail the PR grind.

[Shaka_D]

It's supposedly an event for everyone but lots of it is inequitable and hidden behind paywalls....WG are going EA

[Krieger00]

1 minute ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Yes, you can still fail even if you invest the 24k doubloons right away. You wont get PR, but you will get those other rewards along the way. Which they would probably tell you if you fail the PR grind.

Ahhhh, so Wargaming can say "see they got something for their money, it's not like we scammed them!"

Yes Yes...figures, to bad I'm neither unemployed nor have a gambing problem, as well as having a health issue that lets me play 24/7... poor ol me

[Karasu_Browarszky]

4 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Yes, you can still fail even if you invest the 24k doubloons right away. You wont get PR, but you will get those other rewards along the way. Which they would probably tell you if you fail the PR grind.

 

Yes, how scummy of us to think we could actually grind a free tier X ship even with the premium boosters active. We have just been informed the 'honest' way of getting the PR is simply paying the perfectly reasonable full price of 59k.

 

Enjoy your Rushan holidays!

[Shaka_D]

And meanwhile WG conveniently ignore the forums to pretend all the complaints are not real...this way they can justify one of the most stupid decisions they have ever made.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

53 minutes ago, Shaka_D said:

And meanwhile WG conveniently ignore the forums to pretend all the complaints are not real...this way they can justify one of the most stupid decisions they have ever made.

 

On the RU they've given an official response, though. Apparently all whiners are somewhat scummy no-lifers who refuse to do the honest thing and pay up.

[Perekotypole]

considering the abundance of premium ships in matchmaking, 80EU for a tier 10 seems reasonable. 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 minutes ago, Perekotypole said:

considering the abundance of premium ships in matchmaking, 80EU for a tier 10 seems reasonable. 

 

What makes you think it is 80 euros, though?

[NovaScyth]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

What makes you think it is 80 euros, though?

That's the approximate cost of the 3 doubloon boosters. You only need to grind the first 3 directives after that, to buy 3 token boosters. So it's very doable.... I hope. Otherwise you have to pay extra to recover your losses.

[ArnieDude]

Or just play the game as normal and ignore the event? Get some free stuff from the snowflakes.. its all good. Pity the event turned out bad, but whatever, we don't need it in our lives. 

[Perekotypole]

Vor 8 Minuten, Karasu_Hidesuke sagte:

 

What makes you think it is 80 euros, though?

That's what topic started suggested. Ppl pay 45EU for tier 8... I'm opposed to tier 10 premiums in general. I want tier 10 to be a tier of challenge and skill. Well with all the noobs in T10 premiums my winrate gonna go up, but if I only was sorried about my winrate, I could farm it in Leander on tier 6, where every second player is a potato. Look on Smolensk, clearly OP ship, but winrate is low, cause of all the noobs playing it too.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

3 minutes ago, NovaScyth said:

That's the approximate cost of the 3 doubloon boosters. You only need to grind the first 3 directives after that, to buy 3 token boosters. So it's very doable.... I hope. Otherwise you have to pay extra to recover your losses.

 

Er..no. Don't think that will cut it. That leaves you with something like 15+ million points to grind. You will still need to put in an awful lot of insane grinding, because those directives get harder and harder.

[NovaScyth]

3 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Er..no. Don't think that will cut it. That leaves you with something like 15+ million points to grind. You will still need to put in an awful lot of insane grinding, because those directives get harder and harder.

Seriously? I thought WG said in their 'apology' that you only had to grind the first 3 directives in like two weeks and not even worry about daily missions and such. Man, I already spent time to get the first directive and wanted to buy the boosters. Now I'm not sure.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

It gave you the instructions.. I'd have to check again...

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Well, you are correct about them stating that the first three directives are enough, but....

 

This is what it says:

 

 

If you are planning to buy three premium boosters:

• The first directive should be completed within 7 days after the directive’s start;

• The second directive should be completed within 7 days of finishing the previous one;

• The third directive should be completed within 14 days of finishing the previous one;

• You should collect all rewards from Daily Shipments;

• You don’t need tokens from Daily Missions at all (they will only give you an additional boost);

• And be sure to spend your tokens as soon as possible.

You can find a table with numbers on all 4 scenarios here (that's a shortened Google Drive link). Again, this information is not intended to sugar coat the PR part of the NY event, but rather to give precise information on how the progress, in fact, works.

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/128185-psa-an-apology-for-poor-event-presentation-and-a-bit-of-spreadsheet/

 

 

[hgbn_dk]

2 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

This is what it says:

 

 

If you are planning to buy three premium boosters:

• The first directive should be completed within 7 days after the directive’s start;

• The second directive should be completed within 7 days of finishing the previous one;

• The third directive should be completed within 14 days of finishing the previous one;

• You should collect all rewards from Daily Shipments;

• You don’t need tokens from Daily Missions at all (they will only give you an additional boost);

• And be sure to spend your tokens as soon as possible.

You can find a table with numbers on all 4 scenarios here (that's a shortened Google Drive link). Again, this information is not intended to sugar coat the PR part of the NY event, but rather to give precise information on how the progress, in fact, works.

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/128185-psa-an-apology-for-poor-event-presentation-and-a-bit-of-spreadsheet/

 

 

Those precise and clear conditions only came after the dumster fire started... Wonder why they wasn't included in patch notes? Never mind I know the answer

[NovaScyth]

Ah, ok, thanks for posting the info @Karasu_Hidesuke. So after the 1st directive you have a week for directive 2 and then 2 weeks for directive 3. Honestly this seems very possible and not too much hassle, but I guess we'll see. Hate to plan my Christmas around a video game.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

Those precise and clear conditions only came after the dumster fire started... Wonder why they wasn't included in patch notes? Never mind I know the answer

 

Knowing these precise instructions won't actually be as useful, IMO, as some people think, cause they require you to be able to relate the requirements to your own skill level and available time within that narrowly specified time window of 7+7+14 days. Remember, you still have to buy the three premium boosters before you start out!

[Karasu_Browarszky]

4 minutes ago, NovaScyth said:

Ah, ok, thanks for posting the info @Karasu_Hidesuke. So after the 1st directive you have a week for directive 2 and then 2 weeks for directive 3. Honestly this seems very possible and not too much hassle, but I guess we'll see. Hate to plan my Christmas around a video game.

 

You have to have a look at all of those first three directives and see how many missions there you will need to finish (click open the exact requirements so you won't be .. surprised), figure out how and if you will be able to finish enough of them in the given time. Buying the Gorizia early will help you get there easier, but it won't help with all of the missions. GL if you decide to take that gamble!

[hgbn_dk]

Just now, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Knowing these precise instructions won't actually be as useful, IMO, as some people think, cause they require you to be able to relate the requirements to your own skill level and available time within that narrowly specified time window of 7+7+14 days. Remember, you still have to buy the three premium boosters before you start out!

Yes but then you could make an informed decision before you bought anything... Just wonder how many people bought any of these boosters in good faith? And why was the dockyard video removed and set to come out tomorrow where it in the accompanying article its clearly state that even if you buy all 3 doubloon booster you still need to grind?? That's not included in the patch notes released 4 days earlier and where the sale of said boosters starts..... 

[Akula971]

Exclusive interview with Wargaming lead developer.........Boris Alotofkrap

So you made a game mode for the few?
Da, we looked at spreadsheet that tells only 1% of game player spend big cash, and play lot of games. So we think Christmas is time for grifts.
Don't you mean gifts Boris?
I know what I mean.
We give mission, and they give lots of money and time. Fair exchange.
Is the ship special?
Da, designed for special people, but not in way you think.
What is so special about it Boris?
Da. Costs more than Alaska, and is more challenging to play. Is for people who are challenged.
Do you mean who like a challenge?
I know what I mean.
Have you, as a developer played the missions?
Err.  Busy at moment. Accounts department need more staff, is count money. Then  big party to plan.

A lot of players are revolting over this, think it is unfair?
Da, lot of players are revolting, not open wallet. Boris needs holiday,

Do you think it has created a toxic environment in the game?
Het, we environment friendly, Save whale, love whales. We plan more ships like this.
Whaling ships? Boris?
Da, whole new fleet. For scientific purposes you understand. Make spreadsheet bigger. More anal a sis.
You mean Analysis?
I know what I mean.

 

Thank you Boris.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, hgbn_dk said:

Yes but then you could make an informed decision before you bought anything... Just wonder how many people bought any of these boosters in good faith? And why was the dockyard video removed and set to come out tomorrow where it in the accompanying article its clearly state that even if you buy all 3 doubloon booster you still need to grind?? That's not included in the patch notes released 4 days earlier and where the sale of said boosters starts..... 

 

You think.. there is something  there?