[PSA] An apology for poor event presentation and a bit of spreadsheet

[Toivia]

43 minutes ago, Alfa_Tau said:

Hello samphilconlor,

As I said if a player unlock the "gold booster" he needs to grind only the first 2 directives to complete the ship before the end of the event. 

I can tell you I have played as usual and I have already unlocked the first free booster. 

Now of course it depends on how much time you can spend regularly on the game and I will say also on your motivation. 

Regarding the price, please consider the following: 

- a tier IX cost 63 Euro. So if a tier X cost 80 euro it seems to me in line with the company pricing. Of course this doen't mean it's cheap. 

- if you finish the grind you receive several rewards including a few days of premium account and some Xmas Boxes of different size. All this could be evaluated around 20 Euro. 

A final consideration: everyone is free to spend his own money. Some people spend hundreds of Euro in Xmas boxes, some other in converting free XP. I am rather sure that among all OHIO I have encountered in ranked at least 90 % of them have converted a million of free XP. It's their money. It's their choice, but apparently this is not a scandal. 

Wish you good Holidays 

You're very wrong.

As you can see even in the original post of this thread, even if you buy all three dubloon boosts right away, you have to grind at least 3 directives, and you hav to grind them fast enough to match the time:

On 12/13/2019 at 3:08 PM, Sehales said:

If you are planning to buy three premium boosters:

• The first directive should be completed within 7 days after the directive’s start;

• The second directive should be completed within 7 days of finishing the previous one;

• The third directive should be completed within 14 days of finishing the previous one;

• You should collect all rewards from Daily Shipments;

• You don’t need tokens from Daily Missions at all (they will only give you an additional boost);

• And be sure to spend your tokens as soon as possible.

So please stop spreading lies, @Alfa_Tau.

The fact is that even when you spend 80 euros worth of money and still grind more than is really healthy, you may not get PR. That is one of the many ridiculous aspects of this event.

 

Ohio is far easier to get than PR (and better).

[Alfa_Tau]

2 minutes ago, Toivia said:

So please stop spreading lies, @Alfa_Tau.

The fact is that even when you spend 80 euros worth of money and still grind more than is really healthy, you may not get PR. That is one of the many ridiculous aspects of this event.

Hello Toivia 

and thanks for making me note this post. I admit I din't see it. 

Regarding the grind as I stated I have already unlocked the first directive and the event still is not started. I don't know how much you play and honestly I don't care. you own your time just like me. 

But the second and third one are far from being impossible especially considering that now I have 7 days to complete it. the first one took me 2 days and I wans't playing that much, beleive it or not. 

Last but not least I can make mistakes like everyone else and for this I apologize. Certainly I don't deserve to be called liar and for this I wait yuor apologize. 

Have fun  in the next days

 

 

[Toivia]

4 hours ago, Alfa_Tau said:

Hello Toivia 

and thanks for making me note this post. I admit I din't see it. 

Regarding the grind as I stated I have already unlocked the first directive and the event still is not started. I don't know how much you play and honestly I don't care. you own your time just like me. 

But the second and third one are far from being impossible especially considering that now I have 7 days to complete it. the first one took me 2 days and I wans't playing that much, beleive it or not. 

Last but not least I can make mistakes like everyone else and for this I apologize. Certainly I don't deserve to be called liar and for this I wait yuor apologize. 

Have fun  in the next days

 

 

Well I am the kind of player that grinded Benham without too many issues. Mind you that was up until now the stupidest grind.

Right now, I don't even have the first directive complete, and honestly I couldn't give a damn, because I know for a fact that I couldn't complete the further directives even if I played 24 hours a day (fun fact, noone can complete the last couple directives in time to get PR truly for "free").

Sure, the second, third and more directives are not impossible to complete, yet they are still ridiculous grinds the like of which have not yet been seen in WoWs. Even getting the 3rd directive done (and thus unlocking Gorizia) is akin to roughly seven times the grind required for the whole last year event including PEF (again a grind harder than previous grind involving T7 Duke of York).

 

Your attempts to present the current silly grind as very possible or even easy and paint it in a good light are thus clearly attemps to deceive the community *edit*. I cannot possibly apologise for calling you out on that. That would be very dishonorable.

[Gidzi]

If wg stated before start of the patch that pr can realisticly be taken after normal grind and investment of 24 k doublons, all would be fine, cause players would know that they should concentrate on Gorizia and forget about PR. Problem is the fact that wg was not telling the trought about the event. They said that it is entirely posible to get PR for free, which is absolutly not true.

[Just_Octo]

7 minutes ago, Toivia said:

The fact is that even when you spend 80 euros worth of money and still grind more than is really healthy, you may not get PR. That is one of the many ridiculous aspects of this event.

 

Ohio is far easier to get than PR (and better).

 

in fact if you spend 24 000 gold you will probably have PR

if you spend 14 000 gold and you are good player AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME  you will probably get PR

if you spend only 6 000 gold you probably lost it because you have only small chance to get PR

 

IMO best way to obtain PR is to spend 14 000 gold for boosters and ~30 USD to buy Goritzia, in fact you are buying some time (first three directives are doable in 2-3 days)

Then you have at last week for fourth part of this insane grind. After third stage you receive 8 500 gold back (after receiving Goritzia from missions). 

In this case you have to spend "ONLY" 5 500 gold + ~30 USD for Puerto Rico and you will probably get it too.

 

[Psticide]

so thats it, apoligy and wash ur hands? no changing of the missions ? 

[TR_KingTiger11o]

12 minutes ago, Alfa_Tau said:

Hello Toivia 

and thanks for making me note this post. I admit I din't see it. 

Regarding the grind as I stated I have already unlocked the first directive and the event still is not started. I don't know how much you play and honestly I don't care. you own your time just like me. 

But the second and third one are far from being impossible especially considering that now I have 7 days to complete it. the first one took me 2 days and I wans't playing that much, beleive it or not. 

Last but not least I can make mistakes like everyone else and for this I apologize. Certainly I don't deserve to be called liar and for this I wait yuor apologize. 

Have fun  in the next days

 

 

I feel like you are either WG employee or someone who wg hired... 
After buying 14000 Dublons you do have a chance to finish PR if you are dont have job.  This concept is really good i would like to build the ships i want to buy but this is a very bad attempt for monitazing it. 

[Just_Octo]

17 minutes ago, Alfa_Tau said:

But the second and third one are far from being impossible especially considering that now I have 7 days to complete it. the first one took me 2 days and I wans't playing that much, beleive it or not.

 

 

So I expect to see You in hall of fame  </sarcasm off>

[MS_Surface]

If this lunatic "event" is directed only at the most hardcore players, why is it so omnipresent in all players client?

The "apology" is just funny. I will translate to English:

"Sorry if we made you think that the biggest Christmas event was for all players. It's really only meant for the whales. We are so sorry but in reality we don't give a dam about the rest of you."

Just thinking of doing something like this is mind blowing as it's really a blatant scam. Doing it is just crazy, crazy and actually weird since WG knew exactly what the feedback would be.

What the hell is this WG? Are you out of your minds??

 

[Toivia]

8 minutes ago, Just_Octo said:

 

in fact if you spend 24 000 gold you will probably have PR

if you spend 14 000 gold and you are good player AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF TIME  you will probably get PR

if you spend only 6 000 gold you probably lost it because you have only small chance to get PR

 

IMO best way to obtain PR is to spend 14 000 gold for boosters and ~30 USD to buy Goritzia, in fact you are buying some time (first three directives are doable in 2-3 days)

Then you have at last week for fourth part of this insane grind. After third stage you receive 8 500 gold back (after receiving Goritzia from missions). 

In this case you have to spend "ONLY" 5 500 gold + ~30 USD for Puerto Rico and you will probably get it too.

 

I would still not say "probably" no, even in case you spend dubloons on all the boosters.

Even directive 2 sorta requires you to play a good 85 battles just for baseXP for the "average" player or have various lines unlocked and grinding those. I can easily picture plenty people spending money on the dubloon directives, then playing throughout the update and not nearly getting the 3rd directive unlocked in time (if at all).

 

But indeed, in case you can spend money on the game and do want to progress through directives, it does seem best to buy Gorizia outright and move on from there. I'd still like to add there though, Gorizia is not a great T7 ship by itself. Do not expect miracles there.

[Aeliyah_Thord]

I bought boosters for 14k doubloons. And if I won't get it I will be so angry/disappointed . Do we get the doubloons back if we don't get PR in port? I'm pretty sure I won't complete it tbh. Should I say sorry I didn't check the fine print and looked closer on the missions before I spent all my doubloons? I mean all the cc:s/streams and even your statements before the patch they all said it is possible and thought I was guaranteed with a bit of playing to get PR. I will be honest even getting the daily missions can be such a grind. Only thing to get this done is to download a bot to play for you while you sleep lol

[TR_KingTiger11o]

5 minutes ago, Aeliyah_Thord said:

I bought boosters for 14k doubloons. And if I won't get it I will be so angry/disappointed . Do we get the doubloons back if we don't get PR in port? I'm pretty sure I won't complete it tbh. Should I say sorry I didn't check the fine print and looked closer on the missions before I spent all my doubloons? I mean all the cc:s/streams and even your statements before the patch they all said it is possible and thought I was guaranteed with a bit of playing to get PR. I will be honest even getting the daily missions can be such a grind. Only thing to get this done is to download a bot to play for you while you sleep lol

You wont get back the doubloons.Thats the part of strategy

[SamuraiShakaViking]

An apology means taking responsibility for ineptitude.

 

In some countries people have the dignity to resign, with some honorable humility.

 

In others they would get fired, in shame and disgrace.

 

In the military you get a court martial and dishonourable discharge.

 

[Gidzi]

Aeliyah, you have 2 options now. Either to finish 4th directive, or to lose your money for nothing.

[Hogger4169]

7 minutes ago, Aeliyah_Thord said:

I bought boosters for 14k doubloons. And if I won't get it I will be so angry/disappointed . Do we get the doubloons back if we don't get PR in port? I'm pretty sure I won't complete it tbh. Should I say sorry I didn't check the fine print and looked closer on the missions before I spent all my doubloons? I mean all the cc:s/streams and even your statements before the patch they all said it is possible and thought I was guaranteed with a bit of playing to get PR. I will be honest even getting the daily missions can be such a grind. Only thing to get this done is to download a bot to play for you while you sleep lol

As far as I know and correct me if I am wrong you must request a refund via ticket. CC's got caught by surprise because they were using it on test server. Their reactions are on utube to see.

 

 

[SamuraiShakaViking]

On 12/13/2019 at 8:11 PM, MrConway said:

 

Please contact our customer support team with your request, if you wan't a refund for the booster you bought before you had the information we will of course do our best to help you with that.

 

 

No, the fact that the spreadsheet is shifted by a day means it is also shifted for one day at the end. Just add + 1 day to all dates, including the end date.

 

This happened before. With The hunt for Bismarck event, they shut down the EU server a few hours before the advertised and stated end time of the event.

 

Having been away on work, I was just finishing the last grind.

 

Missed getting the Bismarck because the event was terminated before the scheduled  time.

[Aeliyah_Thord]

Thank you for the fast replies. I appreciate it :)

[Alfa_Tau]

2 hours ago, Toivia said:

Your attempts to present the current silly grind as very possible or even easy and paint it in a good light are thus clearly attemps to deceive the community and thus are mere lies.

Between easy and doable there is a big difference. Still I did not offend you like you did with me. 

What I understand now is that you are hte kind of person who thinks he is Always right. Ok fine for me go on in your life and don't bother Others. 

 

[Alfa_Tau]

2 hours ago, Just_Octo said:

So I expect to see You in hall of fame  </sarcasm off>

ahaha

yeah probably this time the hall of fame will be very few populated.  

 

[Just_Octo]

2 minutes ago, Alfa_Tau said:

ahaha

yeah probably this time the hall of fame will be very few populated.  

 

Yup ^^

[Thanks_for_all_the_fish]

If your feelings regarding this whole debacle are strong enough to take action...don't waste your strenght here. Find your nation's consumer protection agency (if such exists) and report the matter there. False advertising ia very serious offense in many nations in Europe (and I dearly hope the rest of the World) so any such Agency will take notice. And if they deem it serious enough...bring WG to court.

THAT'S how you hit them at his stage. Complaining here will bring you nothing but incensere "appologies".

 

After all, if they, as I understand things are in Belgium (my impression is you can't sell lootboxes there, correct me if wrong), they loose the right to even sell certain things, all over the World....well, good luck with this "EA-style"-business model.

[Grimwill]

Well this article went out of date fast:

 

https://blogs.oracle.com/smb/10-of-the-costliest-spreadsheet-boo-boos-in-history

[Grif666]

Wargaming should not be sponsoring save the children after this it should be save the whales 

[putinisalittlebiatch]

11 hours ago, Alfa_Tau said:

Hello samphilconlor,

As I said if a player unlock the "gold booster" he needs to grind only the first 2 directives to complete the ship before the end of the event. 

I can tell you I have played as usual and I have already unlocked the first free booster. 

Now of course it depends on how much time you can spend regularly on the game and I will say also on your motivation. 

Regarding the price, please consider the following: 

- a tier IX cost 63 Euro. So if a tier X cost 80 euro it seems to me in line with the company pricing. Of course this doen't mean it's cheap. 

- if you finish the grind you receive several rewards including a few days of premium account and some Xmas Boxes of different size. All this could be evaluated around 20 Euro. 

A final consideration: everyone is free to spend his own money. Some people spend hundreds of Euro in Xmas boxes, some other in converting free XP. I am rather sure that among all OHIO I have encountered in ranked at least 90 % of them have converted a million of free XP. It's their money. It's their choice, but apparently this is not a scandal. 

Wish you good Holidays 

*edit* Now i think they best thing wargaming can do is sit back (well hang on a minute they are already doing that) take a long hard look at the books and realise one thing. The people are right and your streamers are righ tthe only ones that are covering your asses at this very moment is *edit* who once he cant take anymore of the abuse from the forums will quit and leave again.

The player base were told that PR would be available to all players of the game, and at no point was it mentioned we had to wager a win to get the damn ship and trust me if i had seen the directives differance to the test server/main live server i tell you now i would never have activated the damn port in the first place because you lied through you teeth. The objectives were so damn easy on the test server as this was a time constraint thing so why not do something about it instead of believing your right at this moment in time.

I believe and i will say it again seeing you think youve done so well at handling this sh!tshow of a launch that the best you can do and i will quote myself on this matter is to scurry off and write a patch to this update to reset the snowflakes on every ship tier 5 upwards once a week till the new patch day or failing that extend the deadline for PR for another month so that people unlike me who currently have unlimited time to obtain it. Your only going to end up sickening the playerbase and inturn lose money as they will end up not trusting you with future purchases and ideas like PR.

We the player base of the EU server are your bread and butter at the end of the day and its the EU server that is the most fluent with money when it comes to purchases and if we cut all spending down i can see you earning near as much from the square square box server or even the russian server so my advice which i wont charge seeing im not like you is SORT THE MONUMENTAL *edit* UP out  before its too late and you cant get the playerbase to trust you again.

[Claymore1908]

Too WarGaming.... Merry Christmas to you to.

 

If you gave us nothing at Christmas but warm wishes id be happy with that....  A few Flags awesome.... a few weeks or months premium time very nice present. 

But false truths.... plays on words..... Lies and perhaps worst of all an insincere apology.

 

The Idea of getting something for free for a game i love playing is a nice thought, the fact i would be getting it at Christmas was even better.  I mean its nice to get something  given too you at Christmas, if i had to play a little more than usual to get it that's fine too.   Now...... I'm no longer interested.  The only thing that may bring me on is my team mates and friends but rest assured ill be asking them if there is anything else we can play.  4 years playing this game feels wasted now somehow.  

 

What bothers me the most about this debacle is you either don't understand how badly you have let the player base down or you simply just don't care.  You have made it clear that all you really care about is the cash and how much you cant get from us.    Do you even care where that money comes from or what some people give up to play your game?   Id be very shocked if you did.  Message me ill tell you what i give up to play your game.

 

So in the spirit of Christmas wargaming here is my gift to you.  Your PAYING player base just dropped by one.  I have 8 days premium time and 300 doubloons left on my account when that's done so am I. 

You just got added to the list of companies i wont give money to, don't worry your in good company right between EA and the Epic Game store.

 

Merry Christmas when it comes.