24,000 doubloons for 'premium' Puerto Rico boosters.

[Wobly_1]

2 years ago i burnt out on Doy capmaign,could not play that game for 3-4 month,on Benham i decided not to participate as it was a step forward,PR campaign,well somebody in WG or all of them need doctors care asap.

Get well soon and see you next year WG

[Zalzomar]

I don't really understand why they needed to make the PR such a hard/expensive grind. 

Obviously they are a company of course and want to make money but still. 

We also have tier 10 coal ships, these aren't time-gated like 30 days, the coal you can steadily build up and when you have enough just buy it.

And we even get coupons to make the cost even less. 

 

The whole PR grind requirements and or costs  feel out of place in wows if you look at the game economy  in general 

[Yedwy]

Its a special event ship, it wont be super uber powerfoul (although it will be strong no doubt) they give an option to get her for freenig you really lean in or much easyer with some money involved...

 

Something we dont have for stalingrad, burgogne, or any other steel ship for that matter, how many seasons of BS in ranked one has to endure to grind steel for them, how many evenings you spend in CB to get steep there (both with unforseable success rate I might add) frankly I dont get why people consider they should get PR free and efortless...

[Captain_Newman]

9 hours ago, Verblonde said:

Wow, just wow! In any other industry that would be simple 'fired' territory - no matter how obnoxious your customers are being, you never lose the heid in public. Sure, call them every name under the sun in private, but the public face *always* has to maintain a modicum of calm and professionalism...

Yea, that was a little surprising, sub_octavian usually keeps his cool, I wonder what happened there. It also doesn't adress the fact that while, yes, they're not obligated to give us anything for free, and they can make the free stuff as grindy as they like.. let's get real, people will still want the PR for as little money as they can part with. That means that they will be putting their grindy pants on and do a LOT of battles in a short amount of time, among many other players doing the same thing. The mind set isn't going to be necessarily about winning, but about farming directives. There will be ks-ing. There will be farming. It is going to be stressful, and annoying, and I forsee a lot of people burning themselves out of the game.

 

Now, yes, it was their choice to go grind, but in the end, if WG loses customers over this, they only have themselves to blame for introducing an ill-conceived event with predictable community reactions and results. The community is what it is. The players are what they are. They might not always react rationally, but what the community usually is, is predictable - as a whole. If they do something to annoy people, they only need to look in the mirror to find someone to blame. This could have been both designed and handled so much better.. 

[humpty_1]

350000 fxp without flags(lets face it most of us don't have them) at an average of (lets just say)1000 fxp per game(ish) will not be done OMG WTH!..lol.

 

[dan_matt]

I would love to see the data at the end of the event to see how many people will actually complete all missions, when you even have CC's like flambass and other YouTubers who play an insane amount of hours and games saying he wont get anywhere near finishing this in  a month then surely WG must know they have messed up here. I understand that you should grind for free ships but these directives are just ridiculous

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

10 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

I dont get why people consider they should get PR free and efortless...

That is because nobody here is asking for free and effortless.

[Captain_Newman]

8 hours ago, gopher31 said:

Well I’ve just found I can access dockyard and armory via web browser.

 

Got a link for that? Haven't found it, probably blind as it's right in front of my nose but I just don't see it  

[Yedwy]

2 minutes ago, Europizza said:

That is because nobody here is asking for free and effortless.

Well to me it sounds awfully close to that, however this discussion is pointless anyway those that get her will get her, those that dont wont and there is nothing more to it...

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

8 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Well to me it sounds awfully close to that, however this discussion is pointless anyway those that get her will get her, those that dont wont and there is nothing more to it...

Fun titbit: it isn't even close to that. People are just complaining how bad the grind has become. What amuses me is that people are actually taken by surprise by how the grind keeps getting worse and worse. Isn't it obvious? As the game ages it gets more difficult to squeeze money out of it's static player base. WG opts to squeeze harder every time.

[Egoleter]

Just for you guys and gals. A collection of @Sub_Octavian posts on reddit in regards to the current PR desaster. They are comedy gold and a perfect example of how Wargaming does not respect its players.

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What do you mean "nothing came from it"? Gorizia is still here, it's easier to get than PEF and it's a decent premium ship of high tier, not some t2 port slot filler. There is enough content in the game for all levels of activity, just dont get obsessed with competing everything and getting everything. There always will be people who play more than you, that's fine.

Gorizia easier to get then the PEF? Did SO even look at those directives, or did he just count them? The directive tasks for the PEF were nowhere near as hard as even those for the Gorizia.

 

Enough content for each level of gameplay?

The collection? Without completing the directive tasks you can most likely forget about that. 24 containers of that collection are tied to the directives. It already has a build in fail probability for plenty of users. It just increased with those stupidly hard tasks.

Snowflakes? Massivly tuned down in comparison to last year. Those small christmas boxes are no compensation for the steel we received last year.

Gorizia? See above.

 

So what exactly is left of the Christmas event for the casual, not mentally ill, player?

 

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If it's too much then please skip it and instead get other amazing rewards for literally just playing the game as usual, or put some extra effort and get perfectly capable free prem ship - Gorizia. And I will probably stop browsing the sub from phone in the night, and go sleep, because something tells me that nothing constructive will come out of this.

Just repeating the same he wrote earlier. Telling the same lie.

 

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I am sure you will have fun being toxic to each other and to anyone who dares to say something positive. This is exactly what this sub can turn to thanks to hard work of guys like you. And then, it will lose all the real value, because shitty content and negative hype will replace constructive talk and dev interaction. But guys like you probably dont care much for the well being of the community, sadly.

Wow. That was totally unjustified and is extremly unprofessional. Insulting the whole reddit community and a large part of the games fanbase in a single post.

 

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Gorizia LITERALLY comes first in patch notes, and it was given all attention before. People just hyped PR , and atm they prefer not to notice anything else.

We hyped the PR? Wait a moment?

 

What do those pictures of the new year event show us?

What is the first thing you now see when you try to log into the game?

What is the supposed grand prize of the new year event?

Who asked us to test the awesome shipbuilding mechanism on the test server?

Who told us we can get her for free?

That was all Wargaming. Wargaming created that hype. And now they blame us for it?

 

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Man, I sincerely dont understand why people who don't want to pay in the game (perfectly fine by us) and don't want to dedicate the majority of free time (also perfectly fine) are bothered that there is some tier X ship for like 1% of the most hardcore and paying audience. If you dont spend much time and money in the game , that probably means there is huge amount of free, at your own pace content to explore. Just ship lines and coal stuff should keep your choice good enough. There is some weird dualism here.

Wargaming hypes an event and the players are thrilled to play it only to get a kick in the balls, when they realize that Wargaming went to great lenghts and effort only to EXCLUDE more then 99 % of their playerbase from it.

Totally not a reason to be bothered. There truly is some weird dualism here but it is not coming from the playerbase.

 

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Where did I say that Gorizia was hyped more?

You didn't. Probably the one true and honest post you made on reddit yesterday.

But you did say that WE, the players, hyped the PR, when it fact ot was all YOUR doing.

 

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And? If there was a separate drydock for Gorizia, there would be less salt? Sorry, but I doubt it very much.

This is also in response to the hype around the PR and who created it. He is seriously trying to twist and weasel himself and Wargaming out of this in such an obvious manner that it isn't even funny.

 

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Casual players won't get Puerto Rico, in this event. Chances are, she will be available in future. I am sorry to hear you wanted that particular ship, but as I said, that part of NY is of course not designed for casual folks.

Casual players will get nothing out of this event except some snowflakes for steel, coal and a few free crates. EVERYTHING ELSE is tied closely to the PR event. The WHOLE PATCH is build around that event.

 

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With all due respect, you are not forced to grind everything everytime. And if you force yourself to grind above your level of enjoyment, it is you who turns the game into a job (for no reason, because it can be played at your own pace).

With all due respect? Sorry, you didn't show any respect towards your players with patch 0.8.11. None whatsoever. And neither did you show any while you posted on reddit.

 

So @Crysantos, @MrConway, @Sehales this, combined with all the other responses we have seen yesterday in regards to our justified grief with this event, shows just how disconnected Wargaming is from your players. You don't understand them. You don't honor them. You don't respect them. Your employees even start to insult them publicly.

 

[sarcasm]That's truly professional behavior there.[/sarcasm]

 

 

Edit:

Linked a comparison between the PEF and the Gorizia grind.

[Uglesett]

To put it simply: The PEF event was on the limit for what's practically feasible to do in a month.

 

If WG don't want to issue a T10 ship for that amount of effort, then they needn't bother issuing high tier ships as rewards.

 

As I said earlier, increasing the "value" of rewards doesn't increase the number of hours in a day.

[ZAMRAM]

After spending 24.000 doubloons, the process can be guaranteed completed for yet another (!) 35.000 doubloons.
In essence WG says spend 59.000 doubloons = 195 euros to get the ship and have a nice holiday!
 

 

[BananaMo]

"Here is your PR, go get it... its free.... good boii ... come on... yes you almost got it..."

 

Seriously WG, price the ship at 100 or even 200 bucks, no one would give a f... but putting ridiculous Missions in front of it an claiming it is obtainable by just playing is just utter bs.

 

 

[Quetak]

i was preparing for Xmass grind, thats why I wasnt playing much last days - to accumulate energy. After today I know that this energy will be spend anywhere else.

And btw no Puerto Rico = no Xmass boxes from shop. Have a nice holiday WG   

[Sunleader]

Well. Ultimately its just an very Obvious Salesman Trick.

 

They made the Puerto Rico something that you cannot Achieve unless your a Hardcore Shutin without Money or Life anyways. And they dont care if these People get it for Free cause they would never Buy it anyways.

Meanwhile those with a Job and Family and other such Irrelevant Real Life things. Have little to no Chance of actually getting it. BUT here Nice Wargaming comes Along. Stopping the Production but Giving you a bit of Time to "Think".

 

You Poured so much Effort into this.

You Spend soooo much Time trying to get it.

And you could actually get it by Spending some Doubloons to just Finish Construction couldnt you.

Come on. You wanted it so badly you Played for Hours each Day to get it. Some Doubloons now arent such a Big Deal arent they ??

"Sinister little Voice Crackling in the Background"

 

Its a Basic Psychology Trick used by the less Reputable Businesses for Decades. Well. Mostly Casinos and Gambling Houses....

 

 

I did not Expect this kind of Bullcrab from Wargaming.

And I am Honestly Dissappointed by this.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Uglesett said:

To put it simply: The PEF event was on the limit for what's practically feasible to do in a month.

 

If WG don't want to issue a T10 ship for that amount of effort, then they needn't bother issuing high tier ships as rewards.

 

As I said earlier, increasing the "value" of rewards doesn't increase the number of hours in a day.

I wish I could upvote this more.

[Data_Unavailable]

I see all this as an absolute win for my friends and family. They'll enjoy my company way more than with a decent campaign I'd be able to complete.

Even the amount of effort needed to get Gorizia is higher than last years grind for PEF. And everyone was complaining about that already. WTF Wargaming?

[Nibenay78]

9 minutes ago, Data_Unavailable said:

I see all this as an absolute win for my friends and family. They'll enjoy my company way more than with a decent campaign I'd be able to complete.
 

Now since my family-in-law are coming over, I see this campaign as an absolute win for me.. cough! Just kidding, we get along quite well!

 

However it better be an okay ship to bother this grind. I understand it has BB accuracy and big and heavy? I already find Alaska to be quite inaccurate and annoying with it's guns...

[rage1750]

1 hour ago, BananaMo said:

"Here is your PR, go get it... its free.... good boii ... come on... yes you almost got it..."

 

Seriously WG, price the ship at 100 or even 200 bucks, no one would give a f... but putting ridiculous Missions in front of it an claiming it is obtainable by just playing is just utter bs.

 

 

 

 

59,000 doubloons = £166.04

£23 more you and you can go for a week, Puerto Rico Gran Canaria

 

 

 

[Kenjiro_]

By the way, please stop complaining about how bad PR is and how it doesn't worth the grind. 

 

Things would be a lot worse if she actually worth the grind because many players, including myself,  isn't able/simply won't do it anyway. 

[Data_Unavailable]

2 minutes ago, Nibenay78 said:

However it better be an okay ship to bother this grind. I understand it has BB accuracy and big and heavy? I already find Alaska to be quite inaccurate and annoying with it's guns... 

Montana accuracy but a bit better sigma. So way more inaccurate than Alaska.

But as this grind literally requires you to play 20 hours per day, starting this grind just forces you into a sunk cost fallacy if you actually want the ship. There is no realistic chance to get the ship for free.

[Gudgeon]

This tier of ship could have been made a reward ship aka like the mission reward tanks in WOT. The main difference being that the eight campaigns in WOT that can gift a reward tank are not time limited. They are probably player skill limited and some of the missions cause the player base to play in a way that is detrimental to their team (ram a tank, seven times over any number of battles etc), but importantly they are not time limited. If you just play the game, not hardcore it, an average player can probably pick up some of the tanks over a year or two of casual playing. Granted, the tier 9 reward tank is pretty difficult for an average player to get. BUT THE MISSIONS ARE NOT TIME LIMITED AND MAY ATTRACT THE PLAYER BASE TO PLAY THE GAME FOR AN EXTENDED TIME (LIKE 3-6 MONTHS). 

[Jvd2000]

On 12/9/2019 at 5:34 PM, Jvd2000 said:

Depending on the difficulty of the first 5 directives I will happy settle for the free Gorizia..Not that it is a very good ship but seems to be doable spreading it out for the entire duration of this patch….For PR will take a glance at the directives concerning grindiness, laugh, say no and just enjoy Christmas...

Well it

seems that the grind for Gorizia is a pain too.. Damn WG i have to be social during xmas...

 

Even vodka cannot compensate the idiocracy of WG.

[Zen71_sniper]

We can rant and rage all we want. I just played a ranked game against Puerto Rico. He died first and blamed his whole team.

 

Whales are NOT  endangered species as it seems... 59K doubloons.....