24,000 doubloons for 'premium' Puerto Rico boosters.

[Panocek]

18 minutes ago, MyopicHedgehog said:

 

Wow.  Does this guy (SO) actually understand PR or customer relations?  How does he think it works out for the retailer of a 100% discretionary good when that retailer not only spits in the eye of every potential customer but also tries to shove fecal matter down their throat, metaphorically speaking?

 

I don't think I have every seen such a tone-deaf, bone-headed and misguided rant before from someone trying to persuade people to give them money!

 

Way to go WG, way to go.

In Russia, "western" way of "customer relations" is almost a curse word. Russians and central/east european people in general can be very... direct and enthusiastic, as well can say " you" the way englishmen would consider it an art.

 

Same with term "reliable" - in western way, it means something that works and rarely breaks down. In eastern way, it means it can break, but can be fixed on the spot with random spanner, hammer or piece of masonry bundled with cursewords

[Afghanicus]

41 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

People are overeacting, I mean did someone expect to get a T10 supercruiser for nothing? How long does it take to grind 250k coal or 24k steel by casual play if even possible (steel is hardly obtainable in any casual way)? 

 

Have you all already forgoten the Christmas campaigns of old such as the one for DOY for instance?They were grindy as well and many  missions were random only with bad tasks in them...

 

I mean lets be honest - yes this is grindy but missions themselves are not hard to do and seems many or all are coop doable as usal in directives of late and hence just a matter of well grinding...

Missions are not hard to do?

 

Are you serious?

 

How does 85,000 base XP sound for a 2nd Directive? 

 

Not to mention the following ones...

 

Don't be ridiculous. Just take a look at the missions and then feel free to comment again.

[Hanse77SWE]

4 hours ago, Sehales said:

If you are just playing you can still complete them.

Ehhhh….no?

 

How could I play ten hours a day and at the same time work, celebrate Xmas and new year with the family AND stay sane. You keep forgetting that most of us don't play this game like a fulltime job. The problem isn't Money or Willpower, it's time. It's the same reason why nine women can't have a baby in one month. There is not enough time available in a day to do the things you want us to do. Not if you have a normal life. Next time you feel the urge to set up an event like this, please invest in a pocket calculator and check if the stuff you demand of us is doable. It's a bit sad that WG put all this effort into the event and so many players won't even bother to use it.

 

There are other things in life besides videogames and believe it or not, those things might be more important. Most of us don't plan out lives around this game you know?

[Afghanicus]

2 minutes ago, Hanse77SWE said:

Ehhhh….no?

 

How could I play ten hours a day and at the same time work, celebrate Xmas and new year with the family AND stay sane. You keep forgetting that most of us don't play this game like a fulltime job. The problem isn't Money or Willpower, it's time. It's the same reason why nine women can't have a baby in one month. There are not enough time available in a day to do the things you want us to do. Not if you have a normal life. Next time you feel the urge to set up an event like this, please invest in a pocket calculator and check if the stuff you demand of us is doable. It's a bit sad that WG put all this effort into the event and so many players won't even bother to use it.

 

There are other things in life besides videogames and believe it or not, those things might be more important. Most of us don't plan out lives around this game you know?

It might be enough for them to imagine themselves in a position where they would have to play 10+ hours a day during the whole month (or more) in the middle of the New Year and all holidays related to it.

 

I will avoid tagging all WG staff but the question goes to all of them... WOULD YOU DO IT!??

[MyopicHedgehog]

8 minutes ago, Panocek said:

In Russia, "western" way of "customer relations" is almost a curse word. Russians and central/east european people in general can be very... direct and enthusiastic, as well can say " you" the way englishmen would consider it an art.

 

Same with term "reliable" - in western way, it means something that works and rarely breaks down. In eastern way, it means it can break, but can be fixed on the spot with random spanner, hammer or piece of masonry bundled with cursewords

 

I work with eastern europeans (and am pretty blunt myself) so being direct and enthusiastic isn't an issue.  Asking me to give you money whilst insulting me or my intelligence isn't going to get you very far.  Trying to persuade me that the PR missions are in fact possible for anyone doing it free when it's obviously designed to extract as much money from stupid people (or collectors) is just, well, I do have words but they are inadequate (and very impolite)...

[Verblonde]

2 hours ago, Bics93 said:

 

WG PR departement is always top notch 

Wow, just wow! In any other industry that would be simple 'fired' territory - no matter how obnoxious your customers are being, you never lose the heid in public. Sure, call them every name under the sun in private, but the public face *always* has to maintain a modicum of calm and professionalism...

[Panocek]

1 minute ago, Verblonde said:

Wow, just wow! In any other industry that would be simple 'fired' territory - no matter how obnoxious your customers are being, you never lose the heid in public. Sure, call them every name under the sun in private, but the public face *always* has to maintain a modicum of calm and professionalism...

Not in soviet rashia

[Bics93]

3 minuti fa, Verblonde ha scritto:

Wow, just wow! In any other industry that would be simple 'fired' territory - no matter how obnoxious your customers are being, you never lose the heid in public. Sure, call them every name under the sun in private, but the public face *always* has to maintain a modicum of calm and professionalism...

 

Yeah, try looking at the comment section on his profile: he is answering like an a***ole to many players, very professional behaviour 

[Verblonde]

2 minutes ago, Panocek said:

Not in soviet rashia

Apparently so.

 

Still, there is a positive to this:

• Assuming you don't want to simply throw money at the problem, PR is impractical for most players to get; so, we can stop worrying about it (shame all the - probably expensive - design/coding time for the port stuff is wasted), so planning playing time and spend over Xmas just got an awful lot easier.
• There were several things I fancied spending money on this Xmas; the list just got rather shorter, so saving me money for other stuff.
• Because I don't have to worry about specific conditions, with specific ships, I can just play for fun (yes, that does include trying to win!) rather than grind.

So, yay for me; less yay for WG and their bank balance. The question now is how many players feel like this; a lot, or just we grumpy gits on the forum?

[black_falcon120]

13 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

Wow, just wow! In any other industry that would be simple 'fired' territory - no matter how obnoxious your customers are being, you never lose the heid in public. Sure, call them every name under the sun in private, but the public face *always* has to maintain a modicum of calm and professionalism...

A Russian WGer allegedly compared this firestorm of complaint to wanting a free Bentley, so I think it is part of a concerted effort to get WG's point across. 

[Sybeck]

1 minute ago, black_falcon120 said:

A Russian WGer allegedly compared this firestorm of complaint to wanting a free Bentley, so I think it is part of a concerted effort to get WG's point across. 

 

 

Lol, the PR is no Bentley.

[Verblonde]

1 minute ago, black_falcon120 said:

A Russian WGer allegedly compared this firestorm of complaint to wanting a free Bentley, so I think it is part of a concerted effort to get WG's point across. 

If it is, they *really* have no idea a) how to do customer relations/service and/or b) how to damp down a fire when it breaks out...

[MyopicHedgehog]

1 minute ago, black_falcon120 said:

A Russian WGer allegedly compared this firestorm of complaint to wanting a free Bentley, so I think it is part of a concerted effort to get WG's point across. 

The difference being this is a pixel ship with zero intrinsic value and no use outside of this game.  Yeah, great comparison.

[black_falcon120]

4 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

If it is, they *really* have no idea a) how to do customer relations/service and/or b) how to damp down a fire when it breaks out...

 

5 minutes ago, Sybeck said:

 

 

Lol, the PR is no Bentley.

 

4 minutes ago, MyopicHedgehog said:

The difference being this is a pixel ship with zero intrinsic value and no use outside of this game.  Yeah, great comparison.

Found the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/e99y3y/heres_the_russian_teams_response_to_the_lovely/

[Afghanicus]

Seems like someone has been triggered today.

 

WG colleagues should tuck him in bed. Use pills if needed. 

[MyopicHedgehog]

5 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

 

 

Found the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/e99y3y/heres_the_russian_teams_response_to_the_lovely/

That reddit thread was worth the read.  Hey WG employees, I imagine that you like getting paid...

 

Enjoy getting much less of my cash.

[NothingButTheRain]

59 minutes ago, albin322 said:

 

this year wg have locked the steel behind directive 7 in the HAIL GRIND OF THE GRIND. seriously GRIND GRIND OR YOU WIL GET NOTHING MUAHAHHAHAHAHAH

The other directives are nothing to scoff at either.

 

Directive 2, earn 135k XP in CVs, earn 135k XP in BBs, etc. And earn 400k XP in total. Shoot down 300 planes.

I usually go for the 3 daily crates and that isn't even 40k XP. 135k XP is what I usually do in 4 maybe 5 days if I'm feeling like playing.

 

Directive 3, earn 48k BXP in CVs, earn 48k BXP in BBs, etc. Earn 105k BXP in total.

 

Coop is gonna be a mess, people will be playing PR from day one because they forked out like 66k doubloons on day one.

 

This grind puts the benham grind to shame and that one was already pushing it for me. I'm probably gonna see how far I can get with the tier 7 premiu, but last I heard that one was even worse than the tier 7 tech tree Italian cruiser and those are quite meh already.

I'm most likely not gonna spend any doubloons on the PR grind, I'm about to throw in the towel for this. Why not just sell it in the shop for 65k doubloons or whatever the converted cost is in real money?

 

This grind is absurd, hardly any sane person will grind this one out for free.

[black_falcon120]

1 minute ago, NothingButTheRain said:

The other directives are nothing to scoff at either.

 

Directive 2, earn 135k XP in CVs, earn 135k XP in BBs, etc. And earn 400k XP in total. Shoot down 300 planes.

I usually go for the 3 daily crates and that isn't even 40k XP. 135k XP is what I usually do in 4 maybe 5 days if I'm feeling like playing.

 

Directive 3, earn 48k BXP in CVs, earn 48k BXP in BBs, etc. Earn 105k BXP in total.

 

Coop is gonna be a mess, people will be playing PR from day one because they forked out like 66k doubloons on day one.

 

This grind puts the benham grind to shame and that one was already pushing it for me. I'm probably gonna see how far I can get with the tier 7 premiu, but last I heard that one was even worse than the tier 7 tech tree Italian cruiser and those are quite meh already.

I'm most likely not gonna spend any doubloons on the PR grind, I'm about to throw in the towel for this. Why not just sell it in the shop for 65k doubloons or whatever the converted cost is in real money?

 

This grind is absurd, hardly any sane person will grind this one out for free.

In my Gorizia thread, I estimated It would take 175-200 games to earn her... 

[Panocek]

Just now, Verblonde said:

Apparently so.

 

Still, there is a positive to this:

• Assuming you don't want to simply throw money at the problem, PR is impractical for most players to get; so, we can stop worrying about it (shame all the - probably expensive - design/coding time for the port stuff is wasted), so planning playing time and spend over Xmas just got an awful lot easier.
• There were several things I fancied spending money on this Xmas; the list just got rather shorter, so saving me money for other stuff.
• Because I don't have to worry about specific conditions, with specific ships, I can just play for fun (yes, that does include trying to win!) rather than grind.

So, yay for me; less yay for WG and their bank balance. The question now is how many players feel like this; a lot, or just we grumpy gits on the forum?

I had an idea of going after Gorizia, but then looking at directives not sure if I can be arsed to get copy of a mediocre-ish ship I have already with permanent camo.

 

And then I've bumped into this piece

which suggests this year crates are... lackluster to say the least.

 

Which only reinforced decision of spending christmas money elsewhere

 

 

[Uglesett]

13 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

Found the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/e99y3y/heres_the_russian_teams_response_to_the_lovely/

Here's a quote from one RU player in response: "Let me add to this analogy. On New Year's Eve the dealership offers you a new Bentley, you just need to participate in an event. You don't really need one, but since it's an event, you eagerly come down to the dealership where you're issued a rasp and a bunch of raw materials and told to build the whole thing yourself within a month or get fucked. Although there's a consolation prize - somewhere down the road you might build a Renault Logan."

[Afghanicus]

5 minutes ago, Panocek said:

I had an idea of going after Gorizia, but then looking at directives not sure if I can be arsed to get copy of a mediocre-ish ship I have already with permanent camo.

 

And then I've bumped into this piece

which suggests this year crates are... lackluster to say the least.

 

Which only reinforced decision of spending christmas money elsewhere

 

 

Well, what did you expect from Wargambling?

 

As soon as I see the gambling symbol, my brain clicks "ignore" and it's all good from that point on.

[NothingButTheRain]

7 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

In my Gorizia thread, I estimated It would take 175-200 games to earn her... 

That will, for a large part, depend on how I play.

 

Sometimes I'm tired or I can't find a div for ops, then I will probably stick to coop which is now more like a pit filled with hungry hyenas fighting over the grinding bone because everybody 'needs' insane amounts of fires, hits and kills.

It's gonna get more unpleasant because the bar has been set so high. It's not how I want to feel like when I want to experience these holidays which are supposed to be about light chasing away the darkness.

 

I'm having so many reservations now. The PEF I bought last year to save myself from the worst grind, but I ended up never liking that ship because it felt like a nerfed Kongo/Piotr, but then moved up a tier with smaller caliber guns and aweful dispersion.

 

Gorizia (compare it to Zara) has worse reload time and doesn't even have torps, severely limiting its usability for narai. It seems like a NO or something. Sure, it's free. But so is the Zara and that one seems more useful.

[Verblonde]

5 minutes ago, Panocek said:

I had an idea of going after Gorizia, but then looking at directives not sure if I can be arsed to get copy of a mediocre-ish ship I have already with permanent camo.

My original plan was to buy Gorizia, use her to make the earlier directives easier, and then do something fun with the doubloon compensation (T10 permaflage or something) with the ultimate aim of getting PR via a mixture of playing and being a whale; now that it seems there isn't much point in doing that, as I'm not prepared to put my entire life on hold for a T10 ship (of apparent dubious effectiveness) that wasn't even built.

 

Depending on what actually arrives in the game tomorrow, I *may* try for the Gorizia, or just file that under 'knickers to it' as well.

 

10 minutes ago, Panocek said:

which suggests this year crates are... lackluster to say the least.

 

It would be a shame if so - crates were looking likely the only thing I would buy over Xmas...

[black_falcon120]

2 minutes ago, NothingButTheRain said:

That will, for a large part, depend on how I play.

 

Sometimes I'm tired or I can't find a div for ops, then I will probably stick to coop which is now more like a pit filled with hungry hyenas fighting over the grinding bone because everybody 'needs' insane amounts of fires, hits and kills.

It's gonna get more unpleasant because the bar has been set so high. It's not how I want to feel like when I want to experience these holidays which are supposed to be about light chasing away the darkness.

 

I'm having so many reservations now. The PEF I bought last year to save myself from the worst grind, but I ended up never liking that ship because it felt like a nerfed Kongo/Piotr, but then moved up a tier with smaller caliber guns and aweful dispersion.

 

Gorizia (compare it to Zara) has worse reload time and doesn't even have torps, severely limiting its usability for narai. It seems like a NO or something. Sure, it's free. But so is the Zara and that one seems more useful.

I don't think you can do them in operations, according to a few posts...... 

[NothingButTheRain]

3 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

I don't think you can do them in operations, according to a few posts...... 

Many (if not all) of the XP ones you can. But especially with BXP this is hardly relevant anyway