[N-B-M] Takethatyoubeast Players 705 posts 12,918 battles Report post #1 Posted December 9, 2019 I'm bottom tier DD - only 1 on our team Both sides have a Tier 6 and a Tier 8 CV Why are 3/4 of our team in the NW sector? Tried to get them to move forward and get stuck in and lost a 'Karma' point for my trouble - Not asking for a YOLO, just move up and support Bismarck and North Carolina started east side and went over to the NW to join the group hug To add to the insult, Bismarck sunk nothing but got more than 400 base XP than me and yet I sunk a Tier 8 cruiser People moan about DD's not getting forward but I can see why, that's what I'll do next time, just sit at the back :( 4 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GWR] illy Players 913 posts 18,828 battles Report post #2 Posted December 9, 2019 and i thought i had some teams that wouldn't move.....i believe in this situation it's de rigueur to blame the CVs 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N-B-M] Takethatyoubeast Players 705 posts 12,918 battles Report post #3 Posted December 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, illy said: and i thought i had some teams that wouldn't move.....i believe in this situation it's de rigueur to blame the CVs Right, it's the CV's fault then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R7S] lovelacebeer Players 4,158 posts 25,226 battles Report post #4 Posted December 9, 2019 I wish I could say that was just a weekend phenomenon but sadly it's becoming increasing prevalent, it's just so annoying when you watch your top tier BBs run for the other side of map as soon as the battle loads in. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BAD-F] Sir_Grzegorz Beta Tester 798 posts 16,110 battles Report post #5 Posted December 9, 2019 As always adapt to the situation. If your team is not supporting then you can pointlessy die or look for opportunity. It can be boring and it for sure will be hard to win, but some teams cannot be helped. BB got more XP than a DD because BBabies cry, and DD drivers are real men and will shrug it off. In all seriousnes damage is rewarded so he did more damage than you and got more XP (it is not fair but it is like that now). You can't blame CVs for bot behaviour of supposedly non bot players. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N-B-M] Takethatyoubeast Players 705 posts 12,918 battles Report post #6 Posted December 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sir_Grzegorz said: As always adapt to the situation. If your team is not supporting then you can pointlessy die or look for opportunity. It can be boring and it for sure will be hard to win, but some teams cannot be helped. BB got more XP than a DD because BBabies cry, and DD drivers are real men and will shrug it off. In all seriousnes damage is rewarded so he did more damage than you and got more XP (it is not fair but it is like that now). You can't blame CVs for bot behaviour of supposedly non bot players. True and I actually did enjoy the game as the reds were as bad as the greens so manage to farm some damage 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[N-B-M] Takethatyoubeast Players 705 posts 12,918 battles Report post #7 Posted December 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said: I wish I could say that was just a weekend phenomenon but sadly it's becoming increasing prevalent, it's just so annoying when you watch your top tier BBs run for the other side of map as soon as the battle loads in. Why do they do it though? All 4 surviving BB's so close they can't manoeuvre? Maybe we need 2 game modes - serious players and 'Sorry I have no idea what to do!' 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SYD] Molly_Delaney Players 1,200 posts 4,600 battles Report post #8 Posted December 9, 2019 Or you can just view it as a chance to go 'Full Chesty' 'We're surrounded Sir!' 'Good! Now we can shoot in any direction!" 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,379 battles Report post #9 Posted December 9, 2019 2 hours ago, illy said: and i thought i had some teams that wouldn't move.....i believe in this situation it's de rigueur to blame the CVs Yeah... nah. Teams did this before rework CV’s. The rework just highlighted how bad players actually are. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EUR] lossi_2018 Players 3,122 posts Report post #10 Posted December 9, 2019 This happens to 80% of my games. MM will leave you alone in a few games don't worry. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ANV] Starchy_Tuber Players 867 posts 11,120 battles Report post #11 Posted December 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Takethatyoubeast said: I'm bottom tier DD - only 1 on our team Both sides have a Tier 6 and a Tier 8 CV crap CV players then, you're still alive. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LoucipherPL Players 77 posts 1,905 battles Report post #12 Posted December 9, 2019 Wow, guess we really need some more pics like these to show the new guys "Look, students... that's what a lemmingtrain looks like... and that's what we DON'T do" Seriously... I'd have a banana-like grinch on my face if I saw that kind of a torp-heaven within my DD's torps range... no aiming, just random fire and wait for hit ribbons to rain down on you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #13 Posted December 9, 2019 Easy. That rock is magnetic. Next question, please. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOATY] Duecut Players 152 posts 11,667 battles Report post #14 Posted December 9, 2019 I’ve said this in other posts, the problem with the games isn’t particularly ships (although I do have a particular dislike for the smolensk) or even ship types. The problem is the scoring system is to basic. Someone farming damage on a BB that’s border hugging can end up with the same xp as someone who is in the thick of it challenging/defending cap points, but one is contributing to the team the other isn’t (you could even argue that the damage farmer is contributing to the red team by not supporting the poor sod that’s left to defend the cap) . Having the scoring system based so heavily on damage is the problem with the game, it needs changing to place great emphasis on objectives, only then will the “backmarkers” start realising they aren’t contributing because they will be at the bottom of the scoreboard. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF2] Hugh_Ruka Players 4,054 posts 5,650 battles Report post #15 Posted December 9, 2019 26 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said: Yeah... nah. Teams did this before rework CV’s. The rework just highlighted how bad players actually are. IIRC it was WGs official advice to blob-up when facing CVs ... you can't blame the players if they follow official advice ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF2] Hugh_Ruka Players 4,054 posts 5,650 battles Report post #16 Posted December 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Duecut said: I’ve said this in other posts, the problem with the games isn’t particularly ships (although I do have a particular dislike for the smolensk) or even ship types. The problem is the scoring system is to basic. Someone farming damage on a BB that’s border hugging can end up with the same xp as someone who is in the thick of it challenging/defending cap points, but one is contributing to the team the other isn’t (you could even argue that the damage farmer is contributing to the red team by not supporting the poor sod that’s left to defend the cap) . Having the scoring system based so heavily on damage is the problem with the game, it needs changing to place great emphasis on objectives, only then will the “backmarkers” start realising they aren’t contributing because they will be at the bottom of the scoreboard. The issue is, there would need to be a separate scoring system for each game type (domination, epicenter, standard battle) ... that would complicate things at least on WG side if not on both .... What I think they should change is to add extra rewards to MVPs in the respective categories (most capture points, most potential, most defense points etc ...). Not only damage and kills ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #17 Posted December 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Takethatyoubeast said: I'm bottom tier DD - only 1 on our team Both sides have a Tier 6 and a Tier 8 CV Why are 3/4 of our team in the NW sector? Tried to get them to move forward and get stuck in and lost a 'Karma' point for my trouble - Not asking for a YOLO, just move up and support Bismarck and North Carolina started east side and went over to the NW to join the group hug To add to the insult, Bismarck sunk nothing but got more than 400 base XP than me and yet I sunk a Tier 8 cruiser People moan about DD's not getting forward but I can see why, that's what I'll do next time, just sit at the back :( The state of the player see of this game has become hilarious. It's as if these players are used to mobile phone games where all players do is click on build buttons to generate bots that mow down hordes. The just sit, point and click. No strategy, no team play, not a single thought goes into their playing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #18 Posted December 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, Duecut said: I’ve said this in other posts, the problem with the games isn’t particularly ships (although I do have a particular dislike for the smolensk) or even ship types. The problem is the scoring system is to basic. Someone farming damage on a BB that’s border hugging can end up with the same xp as someone who is in the thick of it challenging/defending cap points, but one is contributing to the team the other isn’t (you could even argue that the damage farmer is contributing to the red team by not supporting the poor sod that’s left to defend the cap) . Having the scoring system based so heavily on damage is the problem with the game, it needs changing to place great emphasis on objectives, only then will the “backmarkers” start realising they aren’t contributing because they will be at the bottom of the scoreboard. As for the tactical positioning, my pet solution would be to redesign all their maps. The Ocean is the only good map currently, if you want to have islands etc. for added variety, at least make them have shallows and rocks that only allow vessels with smaller draft to operate near them. Then we won't have this type of island regatta to worry about.. hopefully. The scoring system would need changes, IMO. The problem is it needs somehow to reflect what the objectives are. The caps have rarely any real tactical value, as far as I can see they are a mechanism designed to shorten battles because, unlike in reality, neither side can actually retreat from the engagement. It's either cap etc points scoring or sinking all of the enemy ships. Damage farming does help your team because it weakens the enemy. Other than the caps there are no real tactical gameplay apart from positioning, flanking etc. Anything that effectively helps to damage the other teams prospects of winning helps your team. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] ForlornSailor Players 7,374 posts 11,735 battles Report post #19 Posted December 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Takethatyoubeast said: People moan about DD's not getting forward but I can see why, that's what I'll do next time, just sit at the back That way you become part of the problem. Which doesnt help at all but makes it worse. I suggest: find like-minded people and division with them. That way you can support each other and play aggressive. Some players will actually follow you just because you are aggressive. Its one part of the problem on your screenshot aswell. Im sure, some of them are simply sheeple. They followed someone or a couple of guys headding there and stayed there. 3 hours ago, Takethatyoubeast said: Right, it's the CV's fault then The enemy team is moving tho. Or did your team not have 2 CVs? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEWD] bigdoguk Players 549 posts 38,915 battles Report post #20 Posted December 9, 2019 Bbs hide in fear so they blame the dd or cv for not winning the game for them,it's really sad to see this every day I play don't worry about karma some players think it's the be all and end all of the game,if you have done your best then that should be enough,bad players always blame others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[--] Captain_Newman Players 2,147 posts 16,474 battles Report post #21 Posted December 9, 2019 5 hours ago, Takethatyoubeast said: I'm bottom tier DD - only 1 on our team Both sides have a Tier 6 and a Tier 8 CV Why are 3/4 of our team in the NW sector? Tried to get them to move forward and get stuck in and lost a 'Karma' point for my trouble - Not asking for a YOLO, just move up and support Bismarck and North Carolina started east side and went over to the NW to join the group hug To add to the insult, Bismarck sunk nothing but got more than 400 base XP than me and yet I sunk a Tier 8 cruiser People moan about DD's not getting forward but I can see why, that's what I'll do next time, just sit at the back :( That was one of those speshul teams. If you went to check each of their profiles, you would see that this battle was decided on the loading screen. Not much you can do when your team's positioning is that atrocious. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHAR] Phayk Players 159 posts 2,578 battles Report post #22 Posted December 9, 2019 5 hours ago, Takethatyoubeast said: Right, it's the CV's fault then It is (kind of). With AA only being useful with 4+ ships present, you can't blame people for not wanting to get balanced by the carrier as soon as they go out of the teams AA bubble. And you can't really expect 8 players to organize a push together in a random battle. I've been in this exact position several times as a BB, tried to push forward, 4km away from the team, 2 squadrons of torpedo bombers and that's 20k hp gone easily. Not to mention the incessant amount of HE spammers, especially on T10 (cough Smolensk cough). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CDD] Dutchy_2019 Players 1,927 posts 13,499 battles Report post #23 Posted December 9, 2019 Yeah, see a lot of that happen in my games... extremely frustrating. Sometimes I join, sometimes - when in a DD - I decide to go my own way. Likewise if there is some support. But yeah, the lemming trains are an absolute nuisance. Unfortunately they actually regularly win (not in the least because the CV has killed the DD's on the opposing team). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GWR] illy Players 913 posts 18,828 battles Report post #24 Posted December 9, 2019 6 hours ago, Takethatyoubeast said: Right, it's the CV's fault then well if i ask the BBs why they are hiding behind islands doing nothing whilst i am getting focused i lose karma quicker....two 0 PR games today due to that exact playstyle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GWR] illy Players 913 posts 18,828 battles Report post #25 Posted December 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Bear_Necessities said: Yeah... nah. Teams did this before rework CV’s. The rework just highlighted how bad players actually are. we all have bad games, but sometimes it seems unavoidable that you can only do so much because of of what your team is doing.......bloody CVs for you that is Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
