New Year Gifts and Rewards: Your One-Stop Guide

[Egoleter]

10 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

I understand and you can be sure that I'll pass your sentiment along!

And next time the requirements will just increase anyway.

How many times did you pass this on yet? How many times did it cause the exact opposite your players asked for?

 

Our feedback is meaningless unless it is a fullgrown shitstorm. It changes nothing. The whole year is perfect evidence for that as practically all feedback on mission design and grinds and such has only lead to the opposite we asked for. Each and every time.

[Crysantos]

5 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

Question is tho, are all of them doable in Coop? Cause some of them, like the kill ships directive would really be easier in coop:

Yes, they should also be doable in Coop,

 

Crysantos

[Crysantos]

3 minutes ago, Egoleter said:

And next time the requirements will just increase anyway.

How many times did you pass this on yet? How many times did it cause the exact opposite your players asked for?

 

Our feedback is meaningless unless it is a fullgrown shitstorm. It changes nothing. The whole year is perfect evidence for that as practically all feedback on mission design and grinds and such has only lead to the opposite we asked for. Each and every time.

Sorry but that isn't true and while I get that you are angry, it's not as if all events have this time requirement. Take for example Genova or the epic Tier VI container for the Anniversary in the recent past . It's not that black and white. We get that you would like to invest less time to get ships like Benham or Puerto Rico, but I hope that you still understand that there needs to be a high requirement to get such content without spending any money. It doesn't mean that we'll take the same approach in the future and while you might not believe me or not, I will always do my best to get your point of view across and discuss it internally.

 

Greetings, Crysantos

[Jethro_Grey]

2 minutes ago, Palubarac said:

You're talking like the PTS just started or something.

 

The event went live on other servers and will hit EU server tomorrow.

 

No changes will be implemented. 

 

Then at the end, when the $hitstorm hits, they will say they are sorry and will try to make it better next time. Deja vu?

 

P.S. They should be all doable in co-op but that doesn't change the situation too much. If it was only in Random/Ranked, it would be even more hilarious.

 

 

Yeah, i forgot for a moment that NA and RU start a day earlier. 

Deja Vu? Each and every time. 

 

Well, coop is good. Some of those directives are faster to achieve in Coop while others (base XP) are better for randoms/ranked.

And i have no issue playing reckless in either Coop or Ranked to complete these directives. 

 

So, if someone of the forumites Encounters me in ranked and wonders why i yolo: Directives is the answer. 

 

#HateTheGameNotThePlayer

 

1 minute ago, Crysantos said:

Yes, they should also be doable in Coop,

 

Crysantos

Thanks! 

[Takru]

1 hour ago, Crysantos said:

within one update.

Which really screws over anybody going on holiday over the holiday season. 

[Egoleter]

11 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

Sorry but that isn't true and while I get that you are angry, it's not as if all events have this time requirement.

I'm not angry. I am massivly disappointed.

 

3 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

Take for example Genova or the epic Tier VI container for the Anniversary in the recent past .

Those tier V ships are a dime a dozen. And even those you started to hide behind lucky draw mechanisms. The Genova wasn't "easy". It was purely luck based.

We told you for the better part of the year that we are bored of directives and of lucky draw mechanisms. Nothing changed for the better. In fact it got worse each and every time and is now brought to a ludicrous extreme with the new year event.

 

9 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

We get that you would like to invest less time to get ships like Benham or Puerto Rico, but I hope that you still understand that there needs to be a high requirement to get such content without spending any money.

We told you several times that grinds need to be managable.

Now you present us one that, if this post is true, is not only hard but near near impossible if you do not spend money. Essentially we need to complete the Directives in one day. Two at the latest, or we will not get the ship despite all our effort. If the linked post is true, it is essentially a big fat lie that we can get the ship for free, as your tasks are almost impossible to complete on a single day.

 

10 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

It doesn't mean that we'll take the same approach in the future and while you might not believe me or not, I will always do my best to get your point of view across and discuss it internally.

You discuss it. Nice. Doesn't matter to us when those in charge ignore you and our feedback.

 

This is the Christmas season. For some reason it seems to be the season when Wargaming will traditionally try to screw over their players.

[OseiP]

1 hour ago, Crysantos said:

...and we provide many gifts all around the year with the Anniversary, Bonuscodes, missions, etc. But we have to keep a good balance to make sure our economy is fine - we are generous where we can and we offer opportunities to save money for premium content with playing the game more.....

This is one great PR-desaster (sorry for the pun) - this is the absolutly wrong time of the year to install such an event. Why not create an easy event at this time of year and switch this monster to another time of year.
As you have written and what is gracious of WG, you give many gifts and bonuscodes arround the year, which are quite easy to reach and should be placed into this time of year.

 

Keep in mind that people will associate your company with someone who wants people the behave antisocial (if you leave out playing in divisions and chat via TS/DC) and wants them to invest a crazy amount of time in this game (imho even for the T7 ship), instead of playing a little bit there and then and mainly enjoy the festive season.

 

Your can make sure, that your economy is fine in 50 weeks a year for your information, it does not has to be at Christmas time. 

 

I will vote with my wallet, which seems to be the only way the decision makers in connection with the accountants will realize their mistake. 

 

But at the same time, I would wish espacially you and your twin a peacefull and joyfull upcomming festive season with time to spare to relax with your friends and family 

 

PS: I just saw, that the reddit post, linked in a post above was censored because " keeping communities safe, civil, and true to their purpose" - well done WG

 

[Takru]

1 hour ago, wot_2016_gunner said:

@Egoleter I think even Flamu, which being a streamer spends lots of hours into this game, will have a very hard time with this event.

He can just slap on loads and loads of special signal flags, consumable camos and his CC flag, all of which provided to him for free by WG since he is a CC. If he even has to do the grind at all and doesn't just find himself having the ship in port anyways.

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

1 minute ago, Crysantos said:

Sorry but that isn't true and while I get that you are angry, it's not as if all events have this time requirement. Take for example Genova or the epic Tier VI container for the Anniversary in the recent past . It's not that black and white. We get that you would like to invest less time to get ships like Benham or Puerto Rico, but I hope that you still understand that there needs to be a high requirement to get such content without spending any money. It doesn't mean that we'll take the same approach in the future and while you might not believe me or not, I will always do my best to get your point of view across and discuss it internally.

 

Greetings, Crysantos

I agree that it isn't entirely true, but neither Genova nor the Tier VI container was that desirable if compared with things like Benham, the borderline broken French named captain, or the at least very interesting (and Tier X) Puerto Rico, and all the goodies you get while doing directives and such, like 4k+ steel. 

 

We live in a day and age where perception matters as much as fact, and often even more so. And while everyone who takes a step back and objectively looks at everything that happened in the game this year will say that there are some good patterns visible in the game and its development, there are also many bad ones standing out, namely CVs, the absurd grinds for Benham and the French captain, and now Puerto Rico, where even sinking 75€ worth of doubloons into the process doesn't guarantee that you get it. Add Smolensk to it and you have 4 examples in the past 6 months that easily paint a rather nasty picture about how little WG cares about feedback. You have had knowledgable people like Flamuu who openly stated just how broken some ships and concepts were, and 'you' went ahead with it anyway. (You, of course, meaning the devs. I know that you personally have very little influence on the design process.) There was tremendous backlash from the Benham and French Captain grind, and now we go into the third round with it.

There's also the NTC which is a bad idea to boot. I am still convinced that its current iteration was the original concept, to begin with, and that you only proposed the ridiculously unfair version with the buffed ships to the CCs so you can pretend to be talked down to a reasonable solution and appear generous. That's the level of trust you get if you keep rubbing your customers the wrong way again and again, btw. 

 

People will always remember the bad stuff over the good stuff. That's just human nature. And these grinds just are not fun. Add to that the insultingly bad Tier X snowflakes, and I think everyone can easily see why many veteran players and new players are pissed with this. New players get months of hype and build-up to the 'free' Tier X Puerto Rico, just to be told, one week ahead of the start of the event, and 5 weeks ahead of the end of it, that it will require to either sink what I assume is 100€ into the ship or a tremendous amount of time, and it coincides with a time of the year where many of us, especially in the west, celebrate the biggest holiday of the year with friends and family, sometimes away from our rigs, and no chance to obtain the 'free' ship for free. 

 

I'm okay with stuff being hard to obtain. I really am. Entitlement and free crap have ruined a great many games, like World of Warcraft and all the free epics they throw out these days. But dangling something 'free' and desireable in front of people and then add either an expensive shortcut or a tremendous grind behind it is just a shoddy business practice. There should be a middle ground. I get that grinding is one of the few ways to make something obtainable by everyone while at the same time making sure it takes effort, but reducing the numbers on the directives would still ensure that you'd either need a lot of effort or time, but not such unreasonable amounts of it. 

 

Again, Crys, this is not aimed at you directly. Having worked as a com manager of sorts myself I get that you're in the awkward position of taking all the flak without being the one it is actually aimed at. 

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

2 minutes ago, Takru said:

He can just slap on loads and loads of special signal flags, consumable camos and his CC flag, all of which provided to him for free by WG since he is a CC. If he even has to do the grind at all and doesn't just find himself having the ship in port anyways.

 

Or he just spends the gold. 

[Klopirat]

4 minutes ago, OseiP said:

and switch this monster to another time of year.

but during a "normal" time of the year (= non-holiday) most players would have even less "spare time" to spend on such a extreme grind...

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

2 minutes ago, Klopirat said:

but during a "normal" time of the year (= non-holiday) most players would have even less "spare time" to spend on such a extreme grind...

There is no winning with this kind of events, or rather grind. If you put it within a holiday (and of all the holidays Xmas is one of the few ones that actually guarantee a lot of people will actually have a few days off) people will have to pick inbetween family and friends and relaxing, or playing the game. If you put it outside of a holiday, people will have to sacrifice whatever few free time they have, depending on what their job is. 

 

The only thing that they could do is increase the time for the event significantly. Like, +2 months. That way, the grind is still a grind, but you don't have that burning sensation of 'omg I only have a few days to complete the directive!!!' all the time you're playing. 135k XP over 5 days? Jesus. 135k XP over 2 weeks? Manageable. 

 

[Takru]

8 minutes ago, AkainuTaisho said:

 

Or he just spends the gold. 

Most likely kindly provided by....

[Ze_Reckless]

22 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

Sorry but that isn't true and while I get that you are angry, it's not as if all events have this time requirement.

I'm a bit miffed like with Benham that I had no chance to get but not really angry that I can't get a pixel ship. What I am angry about is how you prey on people who lack the self-control to not play an unhealthy amount of time when they are supposed to spend time with their families. I mean, just think how many hours of pure play time you need to complete enough missions to get the PR or even Gorizia 'for free' (insert a vomiting smiley). As an emphatic human being I disapprove strongly how you treat people in the season of love.

[CensorMeDaddyWG]

Just now, Takru said:

Most likely kindly provided by....

 

Of course. I fully agree with everything you said, btw. 

[UrukSzymon]

Well i am glad that this event is so extreme. No doubt, no lie myself that i can do it.

Simple, this event is making my family happy. GJ WG

[OseiP]

6 minutes ago, Klopirat said:

but during a "normal" time of the year (= non-holiday) most players would have even less "spare time" to spend on such a extreme grind...

 No they would not - I assume most of the playerbase have social links to at least a few others , thus meaning "spare time" dedicated for Wows, not in total ofc 

- btw there are other holiday seasons aswell within a year and for the younger playerbase school/semester breaks .

[Egoleter]

39 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

Sorry but that isn't true and while I get that you are angry, it's not as if all events have this time requirement. Take for example Genova or the epic Tier VI container for the Anniversary in the recent past . It's not that black and white. We get that you would like to invest less time to get ships like Benham or Puerto Rico, but I hope that you still understand that there needs to be a high requirement to get such content without spending any money. It doesn't mean that we'll take the same approach in the future and while you might not believe me or not, I will always do my best to get your point of view across and discuss it internally.

 

Greetings, Crysantos

Let me add one more argument:

As an online game provider you have a responsibility. Addiction to online gaming is an acknowledged illness. This event is one that has the very real potential to drive people into that illness or to make it worse for those who are allready affected. Did that ever come up in your internal discussions? Was it considered while this event was designed?

[MrFingers]

It's no use @Egoleter. It's part of his job to defend this mess (and just that, I doubt any of the "faces of WG" we see had even a single thing to add/say during the meeting when this monstrosity was created), and not to give in even the slightest of inch regarding the gripes of the playerbase with this "event".

[Prospect_b]

2 minutes ago, Egoleter said:

As an online game provider you have a responsibility. Addiction to online gaming is an acknowledged illness. This event is one that has the very real potential to drive people into that illness or to make it worse for those who are allready affected. Did that ever come up in your internal discussions? Was it considered while this event was designed?

You're asking one of the newspeak persons of a company that literally provides gambling in the coming christmas period? Where multiple people spent well over 1000 or even 2000 euro's/dollars to get some specific boat.

 

A such deprived form of gambling that they'd rather give up us customers in Belgium, which they could reach if they just did age verification and proved to the Belgian justicial comittee that their "RNG"/gambling-mechanism isn't one big fraud?

 

Yea, good luck.

[Egoleter]

25 minutes ago, MrFingers said:

It's no use @Egoleter. It's part of his job to defend this mess

Oh, I know. And usually I have positive contact to him and the other community managers.

 

Yet the CMs are the only ones we can complain to. And just because I do not have a personal gripe against them, I will still give him every argument I have and call him out on all the [edited] if I see the community treated like (paying) dirt.

 

It's nothing personal.

[Toivia]

What the F...?!

 

Even Gorizia is a silly grind! Okay, no more me defending you, WG.

 

So, what is actually really good in the end?

1 - Snowflakes are way worse than last year (and for fewer ships).

2 - Directives are way over the top (even for Gorizia, so forget about the silver T6 boats - without perma camos this time anyway).

3 - Puerto Rico is just plain unachievable due to directives, see above.

4 - Merely a week for Ranked Sprint.

5 - Lutjens for coal only.

6 - Collection items come only from specific containers. (Have fun NOT achieving the colection.)

 

Like, wtf is supposed to be good about this event? I initially believed points 2 and 3 were gonna be fine/achievable which would be good enough, but here you have a full sixer of [edited]ups, WG. @Crysantos @MrConway @Sehales

[Karasu_Browarszky]

It's the season of giving.. rather than receiving....

[Toivia]

Just now, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

It's the season of giving.. rather than receiving....

Quite so.

 

Us giving time and money and our souls to WG. Seems legit.

[Bics93]

After having read this answers I’m under the impression that WG is trying to sh*t on his community then trying to convince them they’re eating chocolate, is this some sort of psychological experiment?