New Year Gifts and Rewards: Your One-Stop Guide

[WWDragon]

2 hours ago, Menchalior said:

Meh, Dear WG, if you are going to make us pay the 24,000 dubloons for the boosters of "freemium" why can't you just put up her for sell in premium shop then

Actually ...

 

Starting from phase 18, you'll be given the option to complete construction of the ship immediately in exchange for doubloons.

 

There are 36 phases so if you get to 18 you can downright buy the thing, I am only unsure if the cost goes down the more phases you complete or its a fixed cost.

[HydroAutistic]

Am 9.12.2019 um 15:01, radius77 sagte:

 

Oh no, but do not forget:

1) These are ONLY boosters - its 24k dubloons for speeeding up PR but not for the ship AND they claim (?) PR can be build in time "for free". Though 70 Euro for speeding up something than I can presumably get for free is riddiculous.

2) Its neither first nor the most hyped tier X freemium. As an owner of e.g. Smolensk, Colbert, Salem etc I ask for reason to spend 70 Euro at all for ANOTHER freemium-ship (not being a Stalin )

 

I guess had they demanded 3x1000 doubloons for those boosters they would  made  money for sure. Many "volunteers" to spend 24k for those boosters ? I doubt.  

 

Ofc the hack may be that missions to get tokens will be so demanding that building PR "for free" will require some no-life grind but yeah, I'd rather pass than throw that 70 just out of the window. 

  

i think you don't understand... you can OPT to pay for it to have the ship finished faster than normal you can also pay to finish the ship at step 18 with doubloons too 

it's not a must and that was statet several times in the post atleas try and understand how the freemium system works fam 

[Afghanicus]

Why would you sell 3 boosters for 3k to 1000 players when you can sell 3 boosters for 24k to 125 and get the same? And less people having it is better for the game overall.

 

Plus there will be always people tempted to overpay whatever they offer, that became the main source of income for them lately.

 

I completely understand their business model. I don't like it, I don't agree with it. In fact, I think it's miserable and it sucks but I do understand it and have no issues ignoring it waving the middle finger.

[Klopirat]

a few screenshots from the RU server are available and imho already the missions for the Gorizia directives are wtf...

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https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/e95ayg/do_you_know_how_ridiculous_it_is_to_get_puerto/

[Afghanicus]

2 hours ago, Klopirat said:

a few screenshots from the RU server are available and imho already the missions for the Gorizia directives are wtf...

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Well, I could officially say that WG is insane bringing the hardest grind ever and in the time of holidays when most sane people would not spend that much time on the computer anyways.

 

Let's see who is more insane... WG for bringing such grind or some people who will actually spend their holidays on a keyboard (even if you pay all 24k doubloons, you still need to stick your [edited]to the computer chair and play a significant amount of time over the holidays).

 

PEF... Benham... it all seems ridiculous now compared to Puerto Rico which isn't anything special in my humble opinion and definitely not worth the time and effort WG is asking. Not even close.

[Egoleter]

51 minutes ago, Klopirat said:

a few screenshots from the RU server are available and imho already the missions for the Gorizia directives are wtf...

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 If those are true, then I wish everyone at Wargaming a happy holiday. But without me.

 

@MrConway, @Crysantos

We told you how bad the Benham grind felt. You told us you understood. You two might have. The rest at WG clearly did not.

 

This right there looks like the worst grind you ever implemented and shows a complete disrespect for the playerbase by those who plan the ingame events. Did you even try to make calculations of how many games it takes on average to complete those tasks for an average player? What numbers did you come up with? I see several thousends of battles right there for the XP missions alone. If you believe that is managable then you lost your touch to reality.

 

This isn't a festive event. It is joke but you are the only ones laughing.

 

I seriously hope that there will be a quickfix that removes one zero from all those task goal numbers before the weekend  or the shitstorm you are about to face might pale in comparison to the one you had two years ago for removing a campaign from the EU server.

[CastorTolagi]

1.100.000 XP (Preparing for the Next Year Mission) is enough for:

• Start at Hashitate
• Grind all the way to Zao
• Jump back to Chikuma and start the DD branch.
• Stop at Mutsuki

Thats the amount of grind you WG say is ok to do in 1 week.

 

WG DID YOU EVER TEST THESE MISSIONS YOURSELF?

[Crysantos]

22 hours ago, Egoleter said:

 If those are true, then I wish everyone at Wargaming a happy holiday. But without me.

 

@MrConway, @Crysantos

We told you how bad the Benham grind felt. You told us you understood. You two might have. The rest at WG clearly did not.

 

This right there looks like the worst grind you ever implemented and shows a complete disrespect for the playerbase by those who plan the ingame events. Did you even try to make calculations of how many games it takes on average to complete those tasks for an average player? What numbers did you come up with? I see several thousends of battles right there for the XP missions alone. If you believe that is managable then you lost your touch to reality.

 

This isn't a festive event. It is joke but you are the only ones laughing.

 

I seriously hope that there will be a quickfix that removes one zero from all those task goal numbers before the weekend.

I understand where you are coming from - but this is why we split this up. If you want to get the Gorizia, you only need to get to the 3rd directive - and you get a Tier VII premium ship. For those who want to get additional steel or boost up their grind towards the TX Puerto Rico, a bigger time investment is needed. We have different player types - there are players who don't have the time to grind as much and they will still be able to get a lot of free Santa Gifts, special rewards, Gorizia, etc. - and for the hardcore guys there is a chance to get the Puerto Rico for free, but it will be a significant challenge. This will be just as challenging for an average player as getting your Bourgogne or a Thunderer.

 

We have a lot of respect for you and I think that if you take a look at all the free content we provide, that it's correct. But the higher the Tier - the higher the requirement. It's the first time we're testing this shipyard and we'll see how it goes. All reward ships have a high requirement - for coal and steel it's more of a long-term goal, while for Puerto Rico it is limited to one longer update. In the end the decision is up to you - if you don't want to invest that time, you can go for the easier tasks or invest some money to speed up the progress - and if you decide to grind, you will get a fresh, free Tier X within one update.

 

We know this is a significant time investment - but it is a free Tier X. We handed out so many free premium ships this year - and Benham was the exception in terms of time investment, but also the first free Tier IX - and we provide many gifts all around the year with the Anniversary, Bonuscodes, missions, etc. But we have to keep a good balance to make sure our economy is fine - we are generous where we can and we offer opportunities to save money for premium content with playing the game more.

Greetings, Crysantos

[Ze_Reckless]

We are being spoiled again.  At least I know I won't have to waste even a second on this , that's a relief.

[Egoleter]

7 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

I understand where you are coming from - but this is why we split this up. If you want to get the Gorizia, you only need to get to the 3rd directive - and you get a Tier VII premium ship. For those who want to get additional steel or boost up their grind towards the TX Puerto Rico, a bigger time investment is needed. We have different player types - there are players who don't have the time to grind as much and they will still be able to get a lot of free Santa Gifts, special rewards, Gorizia, etc. - and for the hardcore guys there is a chance to get the Puerto Rico for free, but it will be a significant challenge. This will be just as challenging for an average player as getting your Bourgogne or a Thunderer.

 

We have a lot of respect for you and I think that if you take a look at all the free content we provide, that it's correct. But the higher the Tier - the higher the requirement. It's the first time we're testing this shipyard and we'll see how it goes. All reward ships have a high requirement - for coal and steel it's more of a long-term goal, while for Puerto Rico it is limited to one longer update. At the end of the decision is up to you - if you don't want to invest that time, you can go for the easier tasks or invest some money to speed up the progress - and if you decide to grind, you will get a fresh, free Tier X within one update.

 

We know this is a significant time investment - but it is a free Tier X. We handed out so many free premium ships this year - and Benham was the exception in terms of time investment, but also the first free Tier IX - and we provide many gifts all around the year with the Anniversary, Bonuscodes, missions, etc. But we have to keep a good balance to make sure our economy is fine - we are generous where we can and we offer opportunities to save money for premium content with playing the game more.

Greetings, Crysantos

I'm sorry but: No.

Just plain: No.

 

There is absolutly no balance in this event. None whatsoever. Keep telling yourself that but it will still not be true. We will not play 10+ hours a day for your "christmas and new years rewards". That's not playing anymore. That's a badly paid job. No amount of excuses will ever make that an event that respects the players.

[MrFingers]

2 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

If you want to get the Gorizia, you only need to get to the 3rd directive

With that difference that by the looks of it, even the first 3 directives are rather harsh & abusive. It makes the grind for the PEF look reasonable (and that came with its own steel campaign, even if the ship was lacklustre)

 

3 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

but it will be a significant challenge

Requirements like those aren't "challenges" IMHO, they're just well in the realm of abusive, and designed to annoy/pester/frustrate people into buying boosters. (I get it, you want to make money, you're not a charity... but 2019 truly showed the greedy face of WG)

 

5 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

This will be just as challenging for an average player as getting your Bourgogne or a Thunderer

Moot comparison in my book, as those ships can be ground out without any time-limit, using the ships you want in the gamemodes you want (except Bourgogne, and it's not you see a lot of those around. Then again, even Bourgogne is less abusive to grind out than Puerto Rico).

 

6 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

We have a lot of respect for you and I think that if you take a look at all the free content we provide, that it's correct.

Requiring jumping through hoops or playing during narrowly constricted time windows is not my idea of "free content". It still requires a (at times hefty) investment of time. Don't forget, without a populated matchmaker you don't have a game either. Respect would be throwing your players a bone from time to time, either completely free (a code) or without a plethora of hoops that need jumping through.

 

8 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

We know this is a significant time investment - but it is a free Tier X

"Free", see previous paragraph.

 

9 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

many gifts all around the year with the Anniversary, Bonuscodes, missions, etc.

Bonuscodes? You mean those strings of letters you only have 5 minutes to redeem before they expire? Haven't seen too many of those this year.

[Crysantos]

3 hours ago, MrFingers said:

With that difference that by the looks of it, even the first 3 directives are rather harsh & abusive. It makes the grind for the PEF look reasonable (and that came with its own steel campaign, even if the ship was lacklustre)

Requirements like those aren't "challenges" IMHO, they're just well in the realm of abusive, and designed to annoy/pester/frustrate people into buying boosters. (I get it, you want to make money, you're not a charity... but 2019 truly showed the greedy face of WG)

Moot comparison in my book, as those ships can be ground out without any time-limit, using the ships you want in the gamemodes you want (except Bourgogne, and it's not you see a lot of those around. Then again, even Bourgogne is less abusive to grind out than Puerto Rico).

Requiring jumping through hoops or playing during narrowly constricted time windows is not my idea of "free content". It still requires a (at times hefty) investment of time. Don't forget, without a populated matchmaker you don't have a game either. Respect would be throwing your players a bone from time to time, either completely free (a code) or without a plethora of hoops that need jumping through.

"Free", see previous paragraph.

Bonuscodes? You mean those strings of letters you only have 5 minutes to redeem before they expire? Haven't seen too many of those this year.

Sorry but you can't expect Top Tier content to be available for the same investment of time than lower Tier content. The Puerto Rico isn't supposed to be achieved by everybody and you do get additional rewards along the way. Yes - I highlighted that reward ships for other resources are a different concept, but nevertheless they still require a significant time investment. If you don't recognize how much free stuff in terms or resources (daily shipments, missions, free containers, anniversary gifts, free premium ships for directives, etc.) plus all the other stuff you get from missions and events we distribute every day, then we won't be able to have a proper discussion here with you because you only show one side of the medal.

 

We always do our best to show respect, to listen to feedback - which doesn't mean that we have to agree with everything stated here - but we do our best to make this game fun and rewarding for very different player groups. Some invest hours and hours per day, others log in once a week - not every piece of content is meant for average Joe.

3 hours ago, Egoleter said:

I'm sorry but: No.

Just plain: No.

 

There is absolutly no balance in this event. None whatsoever. Keep telling yourself that but it will still not be true. We will not play 10+ hours a day for your "christmas and new years rewards". That's not playing anymore. That's a badly paid job. No amount of excuses will ever make that an event that respects the players.

I understand that you don't want to invest this amount of time and I'm not saying that this isn't a very significant time investment. But you will still be able to get plenty of other things while playing as usual during this New Year's update - and obviously we'll also have much easier events upcoming in the future.

 

Greetings, Crysantos

[Egoleter]

10 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

I understand that you don't want to invest this amount of time and I'm not saying that this isn't a very significant time investment. But you will still be able to get plenty of other things while playing as usual during this New Year's update - and obviously we'll also have much easier events upcoming in the future.

The shitstorm already started. So far I haven't seen any voices, except you and Lumberjack, posting that this is acceptable. And the posts are accumulating fast without the patch even being available on all servers.

 

Even the most hardcore and loyal players are thinking you are insane and most declare not to bother with the event at all. Some might pay for the ship (I guess goal achieved for you) but no one in his right mind will grind for it.

 

And let me repeat (in bold letters this time):

No amount of excuses will ever make that an event that respects the players.

[wot_2016_gunner]

@Egoleter I think even Flamu, which being a streamer spends lots of hours into this game, will have a very hard time with this event.

[CastorTolagi]

Vor 13 Minuten, Crysantos sagte:

Sorry but you can't expect Top Tier content to be available for the same investment of time than lower Tier content.

Then why did you make the build time limited?!

Why not make the Dockyard a permanent game mechanic where every player can choose when to finish the mission grind to Puerto Rico.

The Players with more time and ressources will be faster and the rest slower - just like with Tech Tree, Coal, Steel and NTC-Ships.

 

[wot_2016_gunner]

1 minuto fa, CastorTolagi ha scritto:

Then why did you make the build time limited?!

Why not make the Dockyard a permanent game mechanic where every player can choose when to finish the mission grind to Puerto Rico.

The Players with more time and ressources will be faster and the rest slower - just like with Tech Tree, Coal, Steel and NTC-Ships.

 

Exactly; while I'm still against the Research Bureau being a thing, at least it's not time gated in any way.

[Spartan_93]

@Crysantos:

 

WoT have a holiday/new year Events and sells lootboxes, too.

WoWp will have a new year Event and will sell lootboxes, too.

There will be a Steam Sale, too.

And there are a lot of other games, you can play.

 

You should know, you're not the only one who wants our money and our time! You need to earn it, but not this way!

[rage1750]

I am working a lot over Christmas and New Year. 

Very unlikely I will be able to get many games in, certainly not enough for this grind.

A shame I just cant outright buy her.

 

 

[wot_2016_gunner]

3 minuti fa, Spartan_93 ha scritto:

You need to earn it

More than that; you need to DESERVE to be able to earn it.

[Crysantos]

6 minutes ago, Spartan_93 said:

@Crysantos:

 

WoT have a holiday/new year Events and sells lootboxes, too.

WoWp will have a new year Event and will sell lootboxes, too.

There will be a Steam Sale, too.

And there are a lot of other games, you can play.

 

You should know, you're not the only one who wants our money and our time! You need to earn it, but not this way!

I understand and you can be sure that I'll pass your sentiment along!

 

Greetings, Crysantos

[Ze_Reckless]

37 minutes ago, Crysantos said:

not every piece of content is meant for average Joe.

Have fun with botting Joe filling your server who tops the so called 'Hall of Fame' in your directives since for ever.

[Afghanicus]

@Crysantos

 

I'm sorry but those official replies are quite pathetic TBH.

 

No matter how hard you try to justify this bull$hit, the fact is that you're bringing us the hardest grind yet and in the time of holidays. Trying to wrap it up in present paper so it looks nice and that you're actually giving us something when the reality is that you're being insanely greedy, even in the middle of the holidays.

 

 I really hope that you will regret it (a very small % of players being insane and grinding so much during holidays), for the sake of the future of WOWs.

 

[Jethro_Grey]

Those requirements are effin ridiculous, even for a TX ship. 

No way there won't be a $hitstorm of Epic proportions if this goes live. 

 

EDIT: And if not everybody is supposed to get a Puerto Rico, why offering Doubloons as Boosters? 

 

Question is tho, are all of them doable in Coop? Cause some of them, like the kill ships directive would really be easier in coop: 

Yolo in, kill one or two, suicide, next ship and battle. And that's what i gonna recommend, assuming they can be done in coop.

 

 

 

[MrFingers]

Just now, Jethro_Grey said:

No way there won't be a $hitstorm of Epic proportions if this goes live.

It is already live on NA (and RU).

[Afghanicus]

1 minute ago, Jethro_Grey said:

Those requirements are effin ridiculous, even for a TX ship. 

No way there won't be a $hitstorm of Epic proportions if this goes live. 

 

Question is tho, are all of them doable in Coop? Cause some of them, like the kill ships directive would really be easier in coop: 

Yolo in, kill one or two, suicide, next ship and battle. And that's what i gonna recommend, assuming they can be done in coop.

 

 

 

You're talking like the PTS just started or something.

 

The event went live on other servers and will hit EU server tomorrow.

 

No changes will be implemented. 

 

Then at the end, when the $hitstorm hits, they will say they are sorry and will try to make it better next time. Deja vu?

 

P.S. They should be all doable in co-op but that doesn't change the situation too much. If it was only in Random/Ranked, it would be even more hilarious.