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So congratulations to Kelly Wheeler, he's the man in charge of my Mighty Massa, although in my hands not so mighty:Smile_veryhappy:

 

Ok time for some seriousness, what are the best skills to have for him, in my massa to optimise the performance and make it a true hero of the seas, a ship I am somewhat hesitantly learning to like:cap_like:

 

 

Any advice would be most gratefully welcome, thank you.

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Advice #1:

Use your commander xp increasing signals on this ship and the other US BB from now on, so you get elite comm xp.

Advice #2: 

Dont use him only on massa, why would you have designated premium ship commanders?

Advice #3:

Priority target

Expert marksman

BFT

Concealment Expert

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AFT

Vigilance

Adrenaline rush

 

Last 9 pts depend on if you have ships like missouri/georgia also, and are a bit more free i suppose

 

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9 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Dont use him only on massa, why would you have designated premium ship commanders? 

 

Well, i think, Massa is one of those premiums that need a dedicated captain on their own (unless you just play Massa like a standard BB).

11 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Priority target

Expert marksman

BFT

Concealment Expert

I prefer SI over BFT.

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Ok thanks guys, I couldn't find much of any use on YouTube, and before you all posted

 

I went with...

 

Preventative maintenance

Expert marksman

Basics of Survivability

BFT

Fire Prevention

AFT

 

Probably got it all wrong (as usual:Smile_veryhappy:) but had a game in her and got two kills and 5 cits so was happy, nothing spectacular but better than a kick in the nads, was also in a rush as I had to go out.

 

Shame about the 475 gold it takes to reset it al though.

 

 

 

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mine:

pm, 2nd fighter

ar

si

m-secs, ifhe, aft

 

sec build, suitable 4 massa, georgia (and ohio i guess)

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49 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Well, i think, Massa is one of those premiums that need a dedicated captain on their own (unless you just play Massa like a standard BB).

I prefer SI over BFT.

It his first 19 pointer. Doesnt sound like you can afford a designated 19 point premium ship commander to me then but okay. 

I'd then go with standard BB captain untill you get a proper  amount of captains. 

If you do spec it specifically for massa you want secondary build right? I dont have a massa but still

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I'm also a noob in this department.

 

Especially since I don't have any 19 point captain.

 

I have a few of 16 points and getting to 19 is a very slow process indeed, especially when playing casually.

 

So the 16-point ones I have on premium ships... I should train to a specific silver one of the same nation and class?

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pt, el, ar, bft, aft, ifhe, mansec http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/1010000000000010000010001010100019

 

Essentially a full secondary build, with expert loader incase you have one of the special commanders that gives it -75% to changing ammo, its great if a destroyer pops up.

Now some people are gonna call this a meme-build and not a competitive build, but in the case of this ship, i honestly believe that the meme-build is the competitive build. Im holding top 22 on eu server with this build on massa-B anyhow.

 

Now a tip on how to play massa other than the obvious brawling: If the positioning of the enemy team allows you to, take every chance you get of engaging an enemy, and stick in the fight until he dies, because of the massachusetts fast heal, this will allow you to use more heals in the same time space than the enemy, and allows you to essentially fight him at lower health while you get your full health available to you. Also because this is how you fight in massachusetts, in these fights, dont be afraid to use damage con very early in the battle. I know its generally rule number #1 not to use damage con early, but the massa is an exception, Since you want to lock yourself in fights as much as possible. 

If you know that you will be in a fight for the next 2 minutes, there is no point in saving damage con for when you are safe from fires, or for when you will get the most out of a single damage con. What you want to do is blow your damage-con early, so it goes on cooldown, and then you get to use it twice in every fight.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

It his first 19 pointer. Doesnt sound like you can afford a designated 19 point premium ship commander to me then but okay. 

I'd then go with standard BB captain untill you get a proper  amount of captains. 

If you do spec it specifically for massa you want secondary build right? I dont have a massa but still

 

Id say it depends, if he is playing techtree US BBs or not. If he is not playing them, then going secondary build definetely makes more sense right now.

 

4 minutes ago, Palubarac said:

So the 16-point ones I have on premium ships... I should train to a specific silver one of the same nation and class?

 

Yes, that makes much more sense.

 

40 minutes ago, Inappropriate_noob said:

I went with...

 

Preventative maintenance

Expert marksman

Basics of Survivability

BFT

Fire Prevention

AFT

 

First i used

PT, AR, SI, Manual Sec, CE, IFHE on my Massa.

Now i switched to

PT, AR, SI, Manual Sec, IFHE, AFT.

 

When you reskill, drop PM for PT. Imo PM is rather useless on a BB. EM is kinda down to personal preference i suppose, these days AR is my first 2 pt skill basicly everywhere.

Also you should look at how often do you use secondaries. You got 41 in that match, which isnt much. Is it worth using 7 points (BFT&AFT) for getting so little use out of them? Either go full in, or drop it entirely IMO.

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One more (noob) question... so the captain I have on a premium one... once I transfer it to a specific silver ship, it will need retraining, right? Once it's done and I can move it back to a premium and then again to the same silver ship without any retraining? Retraining would then be only necessary if I want it on another silver ship? It will be stated for which ship I don't need retraining?

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31 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Also you should look at how often do you use secondaries. You got 41 in that match, which isnt much. Is it worth using 7 points (BFT&AFT) for getting so little use out of them? Either go full in, or drop it entirely IMO.

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oh yes full secondary is worth it ^^. These are a couple of mixed result screenshots, but the one common thread in all my massachusetts matches, is that my secondaries do about 25-50% of the total damage usually

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oh yes full secondary is worth it ^^. These are a couple of mixed result screenshots, but the one common thread in all my massachusetts matches, is that my secondaries do about 25-50% of the total damage usually

Have you tried leaving out 'manual secondaries'? Playing Georgia with and without it, it's neat but I'm not convinced it's worth four captain points.

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I suggest you this two builds; the captain skills are the same (actually the same that i'll use on my Georgia; however i have only an 11 point captain on her), only one upgrade changes, depending on what you might like the most. 

 

If you want have some range; but have decent secondaries if you want to brawl use this => (https://wowsft.com/ship?index=PASB518&modules=1111&upgrades=114120&commander=PCW001&skills=305153026&ar=100&consumables=222&lang=en)

 

If you want to get up close and personal use this => (https://wowsft.com/ship?index=PASB518&modules=1111&upgrades=112120&commander=PCW001&skills=305153026&ar=100&consumables=222&lang=en)

 

This is my Georgia build btw (incomplete due to having only an 11 points captain); i went for range because i'm not a fan of Secondary Builds and i prefer to be able to engage targets further; but i still went for BTF and AFT (https://wowsft.com/ship?index=PASB729&modules=1111&upgrades=114124&commander=PCW001&skills=305153026&ar=100&consumables=1111&lang=en)

 

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28 minutes ago, thisismalacoda said:

Have you tried leaving out 'manual secondaries'? Playing Georgia with and without it, it's neat but I'm not convinced it's worth four captain points.

There have beeen some experiments, and training room science, which came to the conclusion that mansec helps. a lot

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My first 19 pt captain was my Yamato skipper. That way, I can move him between Yamato, Musashi and Kii (heck, I could buy a couple of more premium IJN BBs as well if I wanted to) so I can farm multiple first win bonuses for elite captain exp.

 

My second is a German DD skipper that can be moved between (soon) Z-52, Z-39 and T-61.

 

Having a 19 pt captain dedicated to a single ship when you only have one is a bit of a waste of farming potential. Even though it might not be perfectly optimal in terms of individual ship performance, you're probably better off training him for a tech tree ship and then moving him to premium ships for more elite captain exp farming potential.

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2 hours ago, Palubarac said:

One more (noob) question... so the captain I have on a premium one... once I transfer it to a specific silver ship, it will need retraining, right? 

Yep.

Once it's done and I can move it back to a premium and then again to the same silver ship without any retraining?

Yep.

 

Retraining would then be only necessary if I want it on another silver ship?

Yep

 

It will be stated for which ship I don't need retraining?

It's stated in the captain's profile which ship he's trained for, and you at least get the option to cancel if you accidentally try to transfer him to a ship which will require retraining.

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3 hours ago, Palubarac said:

So the 16-point ones I have on premium ships... I should train to a specific silver one of the same nation and class?

Yes, assuming there is a reasonable overlap between ideal captain skills for the two ships. For example, the US silver DDs generally all work with the same captain build (with some choice for Gearing) and so do the vast majority of the premiums, so you can easily run a Benson captain (say) on just about any premium from Monaghan/Hill onwards. On the other hand, there are some premiums in the game that - to get the best out of - you really want a specialised captain; MA and Belfast are a couple of examples that spring to mind (due to secondary build, and IFHE, respectively).

 

 

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FWIW this is the captain I have on MA:

 

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Whilst quite manly, I didn't go with Manuel Secondaries for a couple of reasons:

  • I personally find that Fire Prevention allows me to do more damage than the extra firepower that Man Secs gives, simply because I tend to die less quickly (the theory that most players - and secondaries - always aim centre mass seems correct, so reducing the number of fire locations by 25% has a rather greater effect than the percentage would suggest).
  • If you're a bit dopey i.e. me, having automatic secondaries provides a really useful warning system that someone you may have missed is sneaking around inside (say) about 10 km of you.

I haven't used MA much against real people, but my German BBs run the same build (yes, it's sub-optimal, but it's more fun) and they've had much more diverse use, including Randoms and Ops, so that's where most of my viewpoint actually comes from.

 

BTW I do tend to agree with the sentiment earlier that your first 19 pointer shouldn't really go on a specialised premium (like MA), although in the specific case of MA, you might make an exception if a) you also have the Black variant and/or b) you also have Georgia - either of those situations give you the same 2 x first win bonus case that a 19 pointer in a silver ship, with associated conventional premium, gives.

 

(The captain on my MA(s) is actually a repurposed Gearing captain, post free point reassignment - after I got Ovenchicken to 19 points, a standard 19 pointer for Gearing seemed a bit redundant...)

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I have trained a 19pt captain specifically for the Massa on a secondary build, who I also use in the Georgia.
 

Preventive Maintenance 

Expert Marksman

Adrenaline Rush

Basic Fire Training

Superintendent

Manual Control for Secondary Arnament

Advanced Fire Training

 

 

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3 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

 

Id say it depends, if he is playing techtree US BBs or not. If he is not playing them, then going secondary build definetely makes more sense right now.

 

 

Yes, that makes much more sense.

 

 

First i used

PT, AR, SI, Manual Sec, CE, IFHE on my Massa.

Now i switched to

PT, AR, SI, Manual Sec, IFHE, AFT.

 

When you reskill, drop PM for PT. Imo PM is rather useless on a BB. EM is kinda down to personal preference i suppose, these days AR is my first 2 pt skill basicly everywhere.

Also you should look at how often do you use secondaries. You got 41 in that match, which isnt much. Is it worth using 7 points (BFT&AFT) for getting so little use out of them? Either go full in, or drop it entirely IMO.

Once again thanks for all the advice guys, that battle maybe indeed was maybe lacking in secondary hits, but in between the Atago and NC which I later bagged, I was angling too for a Richelieu to land some hits on, sadly the kill was taken away from me, either way all good fun in a rather hurried fashion.

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3 minutes ago, SlingaDing said:

I have trained a 19pt captain specifically for the Massa on a secondary build, who I also use in the Georgia.
 

Preventive Maintenance 

Expert Marksman

Adrenaline Rush

Basic Fire Training

Superintendent

Manual Control for Secondary Arnament

Advanced Fire Training

 

 

At a later date when I get some ore gold I probably will re scec the commander:cap_like:

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12 hours ago, Inappropriate_noob said:

So congratulations to Kelly Wheeler, he's the man in charge of my Mighty Massa, although in my hands not so mighty:Smile_veryhappy:

 

Ok time for some seriousness, what are the best skills to have for him, in my massa to optimise the performance and make it a true hero of the seas, a ship I am somewhat hesitantly learning to like:cap_like:

 

 

Any advice would be most gratefully welcome, thank you.

Full tank /stealth build. 

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*just to add:

u train a 19pter on silver ship as well, coz it gives double daily bonus to win on both (or even more prems). this bonus translates into more daily comander xp free to use and speeds up the prgress to the next one. the more one has, the quicker the next one will get.

in this logic it's best to pump it all into the next one one wants to have, while playing that one as well on as many ships as possible. in the end u'll end up like me, with kinda only 19pters and ngh commander xp to insta-levelling out new captns ;).

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