İzumo freeexp or not

[Too4sfull]

Since this topic has been resurrected and the player in question in fact did free xp Izumo- for future notice to other players - I have actually played completely STOCKED Izumo and saved my free xp. My win ratio ATM is 43% with 10 wins and 13 losses (74000 avg dmg). I know that my win ratio is bad but it's a rather small sample to really have much meaning - considering my dmg is some 20-25% above the server average. My advice is don't free xp the ship (any ship, not just this one, unless you have like millions of free xp to waste) and don't use free XP to unlock modules on your Izumo! They are not worth it! Buffs are minute and Izumo is one of the best ships to play stock (tier for tier). The most important module to get is hull- due to maneuverability and AA defense. The rest, if you are in a hurry to finish, you can actually go str8 for Yamato without grinding the engine and the guns (they will not affect your performance much).

[_DeathWing_]

[Grossadmiral_H_invader]

Izumo actually is not a bad ship.

 

I had a hard time with her, but that was rather my own fault.

 

After Amagi, which is one of my absolute favorites in the whole game, Izumo feels quite sluggish with weak armor.

 

But Sigma 2.0 and the different turret setup are ment to prepare the players for Yamato.

 

Actually I did not like a single tech tree Tier 9 ship so far. But I am sure, this is due to the different matchmaking and higher skilllevel required.

 

Friedrich der Große felt horribly clumsy and huge after Bismarck, without gaining anything besides overmatch against 27 mm plating.

 

Lion felt horrible after Monarch. Dispersion is completely unusable, rear firing angle horrible, ship is clumsy and has no armor.

 

Iowa felt somewhat ok after NC. Playstyle does not change too much. You eat more damage, even when angled but you gain a lot better dispersion.
 

 

[Ryuuteimaru]

Just got to it and it's a massive downgrade from the rest of the line.

 

Guns are mediocre at best, Armor is utter trash even worse than the Amagi and that ship has barely any armor it seems to take pens and citadels at just about any angle and under sustained fire it melts quickly.

 

I don't have the Free XP to bypass so just going to do Co-op with it, against other players the ships trash.

[Nit0]

1 hour ago, Ryuuteimaru said:

Just got to it and it's a massive downgrade from the rest of the line.

 

Guns are mediocre at best, Armor is utter trash even worse than the Amagi and that ship has barely any armor it seems to take pens and citadels at just about any angle and under sustained fire it melts quickly.

 

I don't have the Free XP to bypass so just going to do Co-op with it, against other players the ships trash.

What are you going to learn by playing co-op? Izumo is a solid tier 9 battleship these days. 

[Ryuuteimaru]

On 10/13/2020 at 10:52 PM, Nit0 said:

What are you going to learn by playing co-op? Izumo is a solid tier 9 battleship these days. 

 

Solid LOL it's utter trash.

 

Everything about the ship is garbage.

 

Guns lose the rest of the lines accuracy and hitting power, third turret is useless meaning you're under gunned most of the time.

Armor is trash sneeze on it and it takes massive damage.

Awful agility.

Some of the worst AA, Camo and Torp protection at the tier.

 

I'd rather play any other T9 BB than this trash, hell I'd rather play the Amagi as a Tier 9.

[ColonelPete]

24 minutes ago, Ryuuteimaru said:

 

Solid LOL it's utter trash.

 

Everything about the ship is garbage.

 

Guns lose the rest of the lines accuracy and hitting power, third turret is useless meaning you're under gunned most of the time.

Armor is trash sneeze on it and it takes massive damage.

Awful agility.

Some of the worst AA, Camo and Torp protection at the tier.

 

I'd rather play any other T9 BB than this trash, hell I'd rather play the Amagi as a Tier 9.

• She is extremly tanky since the plating increase
• she is more accurate than Amagi and the guns punch harder
• third turret is usuable when positioning correctly, for example while kiting, you can use all three
• yes, she is a bit sluggish, but she is no Amagi and all Tier IX BB have an increased rudder shift time

[ollonborre]

36 minutes ago, Ryuuteimaru said:

 

Solid LOL it's utter trash.

 

Everything about the ship is garbage.

 

Guns lose the rest of the lines accuracy and hitting power, third turret is useless meaning you're under gunned most of the time.

Armor is trash sneeze on it and it takes massive damage.

Awful agility.

Some of the worst AA, Camo and Torp protection at the tier.

 

I'd rather play any other T9 BB than this trash, hell I'd rather play the Amagi as a Tier 9.

Strongly disagree. It is a very accurate BB and she has the best pen of all the tier 9 BB's up to 20 km range so you are certainly not lacking in punch. The armour is basically Yamato layout with a weaker belt, so you have a 57 mm deck which is proof to almost any HE and all AP, and a tiny superstructure.

 

Camo is nothing special but not super bad, agility is on par with most other tier 9 BB's and yeah true the AA is meh. After the buffs the Izumo is not bad, in fact it is pretty enjoyable.

[Nit0]

5 hours ago, Ryuuteimaru said:

 

Solid LOL it's utter trash.

 

Everything about the ship is garbage.

 

Guns lose the rest of the lines accuracy and hitting power, third turret is useless meaning you're under gunned most of the time.

Armor is trash sneeze on it and it takes massive damage.

Awful agility.

Some of the worst AA, Camo and Torp protection at the tier.

 

I'd rather play any other T9 BB than this trash, hell I'd rather play the Amagi as a Tier 9.

Are you sure you have played this ship? 

When did 57 mm deck armor become trash?

You have a small superstructure, makes it harder to farm you for HE or SAP

Guns are very competetive to rest of the tier 9 ships. Third turret is as usefull as any other ships back turret. Only time it's not viable, is when you are bowtanking...and that goes for any other battleships too.

 

[HaachamaShipping]

22 hours ago, ollonborre said:

Strongly disagree. It is a very accurate BB and she has the best pen of all the tier 9 BB's up to 20 km range so you are certainly not lacking in punch.

Musashi actually pulls slightly ahead at 14 km. Izumo still has great pen and obviously better accuracy and shell velocity than the Musashi. Izumo's 410s are likely the overall best BB guns in the 16-inch range.

[TohtoriP]

23 hours ago, Ryuuteimaru said:

 

Solid LOL it's utter trash.

 

Everything about the ship is garbage.

 

Guns lose the rest of the lines accuracy and hitting power, third turret is useless meaning you're under gunned most of the time.

Armor is trash sneeze on it and it takes massive damage.

Awful agility.

Some of the worst AA, Camo and Torp protection at the tier.

 

I'd rather play any other T9 BB than this trash, hell I'd rather play the Amagi as a Tier 9.

Can you show me what youtube-video you watched about the Izumo and from what year that was? Nice to have opinions and such but talking complete garbage is not good.

[ollonborre]

2 hours ago, HaachamaShipping said:

Musashi actually pulls slightly ahead at 14 km. Izumo still has great pen and obviously better accuracy and shell velocity than the Musashi. Izumo's 410s are likely the overall best BB guns in the 16-inch range.

My mind glossed over the Mushashi as it is basically a tier 9.5 so I did not count it, but yes you are absolutely correct.

[Ragoutrabbit]

Well I just Free XP though this turd worst ship I have played bar none, awful to play and all round under performer.

 

BTW have they changed how pens work seem to get a alwful lot of 1200 odd damage full pens on this ship normally I'd expect around 4k damage on a full pen

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, Ragoutrabbit said:

Well I just Free XP though this turd worst ship I have played bar none, awful to play and all round under performer.

 

BTW have they changed how pens work seem to get a alwful lot of 1200 odd damage full pens on this ship normally I'd expect around 4k damage on a full pen

You will not have much fun with Yamato then.

What most people fail to recognize is that BB get more sluggish with each Tier and Tier IX, especially stock, are quite uncomfortable. But it does not get better with Tier X.

Without training in Tier IX, you will fail on Tier X, especially when being inactive for such a long time...

[Ragoutrabbit]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

You will not have much fun with Yamato then.

What most people fail to recognize is that BB get more sluggish with each Tier and Tier IX, especially stock, are quite uncomfortable. But it does not get better with Tier X.

Without training in Tier IX, you will fail on Tier X, especially when being inactive for such a long time...

Yamato is far better than this crap, far better armor, guns that hit hard and a third turret thats actually usable without showing full broadside.

 

And it wasn't speed that bothered me it's the awful armor and shotgun like guns.

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, Ragoutrabbit said:

Yamato is far better than this crap, far better armor, guns that hit hard and a third turret thats actually usable without showing full broadside.

 

And it wasn't speed that bothered me it's the awful armor and shotgun like guns.

I am not talking about speed.

Btw. Izumo has better, more accurate guns than Amagi and far better armor than her or most other Tier IX BB...

[Ragoutrabbit]

27 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

I am not talking about speed.

Btw. Izumo has better, more accurate guns than Amagi and far better armor than her or most other Tier IX BB...

LOL best armor I've played every T9 BB other than the Russian and I will say the Izumo has by far the worst armor out of all of them, doesn't matter what angle you are in you takes huge damage if you dare show any side to another BB in this thing you will take 30-40k damage even bow tanking it takes 6-10k hits regularly.

 

[ColonelPete]

9 minutes ago, Ragoutrabbit said:

LOL best armor I've played every T9 BB other than the Russian and I will say the Izumo has by far the worst armor out of all of them, doesn't matter what angle you are in you takes huge damage if you dare show any side to another BB in this thing you will take 30-40k damage even bow tanking it takes 6-10k hits regularly.

It does not look like it you did.

And I suggest you look at her armor more closely.

 

And you should not show your side in any BB. You might get away with it in the FDG, but it will hurt, when the enemy is halfway competent.

[ollonborre]

8 minutes ago, Ragoutrabbit said:

LOL best armor I've played every T9 BB other than the Russian and I will say the Izumo has by far the worst armor out of all of them, doesn't matter what angle you are in you takes huge damage if you dare show any side to another BB in this thing you will take 30-40k damage even bow tanking it takes 6-10k hits regularly.

 

Perhaps not the best armour but still good armour if angled, and again 57 mm deck is immune to all non bomb and BB HE. And I don't get shotgun dispersion? In my experience this thing is very accurate for a BB and almost on par with the Yamato and with faster shell velocity you are in for a quite enjoyable gunnery experience.

[HaachamaShipping]

1 hour ago, ollonborre said:

Perhaps not the best armour but still good armour if angled, and again 57 mm deck is immune to all non bomb and BB HE.

Drake, Goliath, Ägir and Siegfried might disagree.

[ollonborre]

28 minutes ago, HaachamaShipping said:

Drake, Goliath, Ägir and Siegfried might disagree.

My mind seems to be great at forgetting ships lately

[lafeel]

8 hours ago, HaachamaShipping said:

Drake, Goliath, Ägir and Siegfried might disagree.

You forgot that Cheshire can do that as well, one of her few strong points.

[HaachamaShipping]

2 minutes ago, lafeel said:

You forgot that Cheshire can do that as well, one of her few strong points.

While indeed, I did not have Cheshire on my mind, technically, even with the ommission, the statement would be correct, given nothing implies that the list is exhaustive. I mean, IFHE German 203s and IFHE 305-310s, as well as Graf Spee have enough pen too, if I wanted to be.

 

Either way, yes, Cheshire can pen Izumo deck too. It's still unlikely to inconvenience the Izumo more than an Albemarle and of all the ships that can pen the deck, Cheshire is by far the one that has to be the most careful around Izumo. All others can more or less openly engage Izumo and get away with it (which isn't much of a testament to Izumo being poor, they can do that also against other BBs).

[Peccatrixxx]

Having in the past month farmed both kremlin and being now 20 k xp away from yamato you can see here a fair comparison between Soyuz, Musashi and Izumo. Keep in mind that Musashi is played usually with all sorts of flags on while Soyuz and Izumo, only with the repair flag and consumable reuse flags. I would say that the Izumo would definitely benefit heavily from having all defensive flags on because otherwise it just might not be sufficiently tanky and  the handling is absolute garbage, in order to survive and have a major contribution in the very disputed and close-call games that you might be encountering. I would say it's definetly NOT worth skipping with free xp BUT I have not really enjoyed this ship and it has been boring especially due to the guns. I'm not one to care too much and I don't bother to read the "technical numbers" behind every ship, my experience in practice with the ship is that the guns suck big time. Half the time they shoot like confetti with no chance of them dealing any damage that you intended, perfect salvos on cruisers and battleships at ranges between 8 and 20 km will half the time bring back some joke damage numbers and 15-20% of the time I would estimate, you get what you aimed for. I know the calibre is different between izumo and musashi but there is just NO comparison between these two ships. It feel like with the musashi I could easily take on two izumos at the same time and not care. As for soyuz, it's just superior in every way.

The 3rd turret being in the front on Izumo somehow manages to bring no benefit in extra damage numbers overall, although it is perfectly usable at least 33% of an entire game safely, while the musashi just does better even if you remove it's back turret which is rarely used efficiently.

Wall of text aside, if you want better odds with the Izumo try to avoid staying nose in, but rather stay with your backside at the enemy, the ship is not tanky or fast enough to get out of a bad situation. Doing that will greatly improve your survivability and ability to use all 3 turrets, but it's an advice I rarely use myself because the ship is so sluggish that it just takes a lot of effort to do that every time and the ship just bores me too much to try my best.

 

The ship as I said, it's not BAD but it's not GOOD and it is BORING and unrewarding somehow. But not Free XP worthy.

[Imsali]

Izumo to me is a weird ship but definitely not bad. Weird because of a very compact turret and superstructure design put on an absolutely gigantic hull, the waste of real estate on this ship is incredible.

 

I'm on my second playthrough after a line reset, and playing it now feels very different pre-buff and also at the time it was my first T9 ship. Actually the worst advice for this ship is to bow tank 'in preparation for the Yamato' and I think it contributed a lot for me having poor results with both Izumo and Yamato at the beginnings. In reality however, this ship should be played as a mobile platform, especially as it is much easier to target and hit weak points of the ship when stationary (on Izumo it is easy to wreck the middle turret while Yamato has it's famous citadel cheek).

 

Now I'm enjoying it's fast shell velocity and accurate guns, especially against cruisers.

 

On 10/28/2020 at 2:01 PM, Peccatrixxx said:

Having in the past month farmed both kremlin and being now 20 k xp away from yamato you can see here a fair comparison between Soyuz, Musashi and Izumo. Keep in mind that Musashi is played usually with all sorts of flags on while Soyuz and Izumo, only with the repair flag and consumable reuse flags. I would say that the Izumo would definitely benefit heavily from having all defensive flags on because otherwise it just might not be sufficiently tanky and  the handling is absolute garbage, in order to survive and have a major contribution in the very disputed and close-call games that you might be encountering. I would say it's definetly NOT worth skipping with free xp BUT I have not really enjoyed this ship and it has been boring especially due to the guns. I'm not one to care too much and I don't bother to read the "technical numbers" behind every ship, my experience in practice with the ship is that the guns suck big time. Half the time they shoot like confetti with no chance of them dealing any damage that you intended, perfect salvos on cruisers and battleships at ranges between 8 and 20 km will half the time bring back some joke damage numbers and 15-20% of the time I would estimate, you get what you aimed for. I know the calibre is different between izumo and musashi but there is just NO comparison between these two ships. It feel like with the musashi I could easily take on two izumos at the same time and not care. As for soyuz, it's just superior in every way.

The 3rd turret being in the front on Izumo somehow manages to bring no benefit in extra damage numbers overall, although it is perfectly usable at least 33% of an entire game safely, while the musashi just does better even if you remove it's back turret which is rarely used efficiently.

Wall of text aside, if you want better odds with the Izumo try to avoid staying nose in, but rather stay with your backside at the enemy, the ship is not tanky or fast enough to get out of a bad situation. Doing that will greatly improve your survivability and ability to use all 3 turrets, but it's an advice I rarely use myself because the ship is so sluggish that it just takes a lot of effort to do that every time and the ship just bores me too much to try my best.

 

The ship as I said, it's not BAD but it's not GOOD and it is BORING and unrewarding somehow. But not Free XP worthy.

 

 

 

 

Angling the back of the Izumo is certainly good, especially as it means the secondaries can come into play, but I'm baffled why the middle turret can't do 360, it's such a drawback. To be fair to Izumo, silver T9 ships have little chance as there just too many premium/freemium ships that are almost T10 in many respects - Musashi, Georgia, Pommern, Jean Bart...