İzumo freeexp or not

[Kejoz]

41 minutes ago, Bunny_Lover_Kallen said:

Izumo prepares you for Yamato. Yamato's third turret also isn't forward. Yamato also isn't fast and also has a slow rudder. Yamato's citadel is even easier to hit than Izumo's. Izumo basically eases players from the style of Nagato and Amagi into the play style of Yamato. If people don't like that... why get a Yamato?

And has bigger guns, using the rear turret in Yamato is optional, Izumos guns are rather mediocre in caliber department and therefore the third turret limits the ships performance by a significant margin. There were quite a few paper IJN super-battleship designs, WG picked the wrong one, Nelson gun layout would make Izumo a workable and competitive ship.

[HaachamaShipping]

Just now, Kejoz said:

And has bigger guns, using the rear turret in Yamato is optional, Izumos guns are rather mediocre in caliber department and therefore the third turret limits the ships performance by a significant margin. There were quite a few paper IJN super-battleship designs, WG picked the wrong one, Nelson gun layout would make Izumo a workable and competitive ship.

If you compare Izumo vs Yamato, Yamato guns have slightly bigger alpha and have better overmatch, Izumo has faster shells that penetrate harder at ranges up to 10 km and then are slightly worse. As a result, if you are shooting at targets that aren't angled well at close range, Izumo has actually better chances to pen than the Yamato, while at long range, Izumo is slightly behind Yamato, shells will arrive sooner though. Apart from that, Izumo has 0.1 less sigma, Baijie has the exact same accuracy as Yamato. For T9, Musashi and Georgia are the only BBs that can compare to Izumo in gun power, with Musashi being notably less accurate and Georgia having fewer guns, better accuracy, worse pen than Izumo up to 14 km.

 

Izumo guns are far from mediocre, considering its tier and the ship overall is no joke, given its hull plating is only surpassed in ridiculousness by FdG, Sovietsky Soyuz and the Musashi, while only Musashi has comparbly little superstructure to shoot at and Izumo has a better citadel shape than Musashi (and handles better). Izumo very much is a competitive ship.

[Kejoz]

4 hours ago, Bunny_Lover_Kallen said:

Izumo guns are far from mediocre, considering its tier and the ship overall is no joke, given its hull plating is only surpassed in ridiculousness by FdG, Sovietsky Soyuz and the Musashi, while only Musashi has comparbly little superstructure to shoot at and Izumo has a better citadel shape than Musashi (and handles better). Izumo very much is a competitive ship.

The guns are medicore as you you can use only two frontal turrets. You are in a disadvantage  while fighting with, for example, Jean Bart that can easily out-dpm you as his gun layout is just much better. Izumo performs similar role and is much worse at it.  Imho Izumo is probably one of the worst tier IX battleships (wows-stats confirm my thesis), very unflexible, easy to kill and the worst of all - boring to play. Gun performance on paper means nothing when the guns are placed awkwardly on a poor platform.

[HaachamaShipping]

14 minutes ago, Kejoz said:

The guns are medicore as you you can use only two frontal turrets. You are in a disadvantage  while fighting with, for example, Jean Bart that can easily out-dpm you as his gun layout is just much better. Izumo performs similar role and is much worse at it.  Imho Izumo is probably one of the worst tier IX battleships (wows-stats confirm my thesis), very unflexible, easy to kill and the worst of all - boring to play. Gun performance on paper means nothing when the guns are placed awkwardly on a poor platform.

Meanwhile Iowa has one rear turret, Lion has one rear turret, Sovietsky Soyuz has one rear turret, Musashi has one rear turret, the FdG has two rear turrets, Alsace has a rear turret. Everyone except the Jean Bart has at least 1/3 of its firepower on a turret that it cannot use without leaving autobounce angle. Jean Bart gets its dpm advantage at a cost though, having way less penetration and being way less tanky than an Izumo.

[Kejoz]

2 minutes ago, Bunny_Lover_Kallen said:

Meanwhile Iowa has one rear turret, Lion has one rear turret, Sovietsky Soyuz has one rear turret, Musashi has one rear turret, the FdG has two rear turrets, Alsace has a rear turret. 

And all of them outperform Izumo, statistics don't lie. Each ship has a clear advantage over Izumo.

[HaachamaShipping]

Just now, Kejoz said:

And all of them outperform Izumo, statistics don't lie. Each ship has a clear advantage over Izumo.

Izumo is one of the oldest ships in the game. wows-stats covers multiple years of pre-buff Izumo. Statistics need some thought put into it to be properly interpreted.

[Kejoz]

"It was even worst before" is hardly an argument.

[HaachamaShipping]

21 minutes ago, Kejoz said:

"It was even worst before" is hardly an argument.

It was worse for years so you cannot consider all-time averagfes representative of the status quo is very much an argument.

[vaapad_master]

I think I will freexp it. Having played some battles in it, its not a bad ship but accuracy is questionable. Missing full broadside cruiser at 9km range is not funny at all.

[Nit0]

On 3/15/2020 at 9:29 PM, Kejoz said:

"It was even worst before" is hardly an argument.

Actually it is, if you purely compare stats.

The ship was in a bad state for a very long time, the stats you are looking at and compare to for example Jean Bart includes this. It's only recently ~1 year (compared to the overall Izumo statpool) buffed, so in the case of Izumo... the stats lie.

[TohtoriP]

On 5/19/2020 at 5:11 PM, Toni112007 said:

I think I will freexp it. Having played some battles in it, its not a bad ship but accuracy is questionable. Missing full broadside cruiser at 9km range is not funny at all.

And how is it gonna be better with Yamato then at tier 10? Yamato accuracy is Izumo-levels unless you can slot the legendary module. I think that you have a long grind ahead of you if you want that LU that makes Yamato actually more accurate.

 

Better to save your free XP and just play the Izumo. It seems to be a fine ship now.

[TohtoriP]

On 3/15/2020 at 9:29 PM, Kejoz said:

The guns are medicore as you you can use only two frontal turrets. You are in a disadvantage  while fighting with, for example, Jean Bart that can easily out-dpm you as his gun layout is just much better.

Jean Bart has signicantly weaker armor than Izumo. Also JB has very weak turrets that are pretty easily knocked out. Once you lose a turret you have lost 50% firepower. Besides 380mm vs. 410mm has a big difference in overmatch capability.

[Kejoz]

 

4 hours ago, TohtoriP said:

Jean Bart has signicantly weaker armor than Izumo. Also JB has very weak turrets that are pretty easily knocked out. 

Is much faster and agile, she can disengage. Izumos size and sluggishness makes it an easy target for he spammers and destroyers. 

[ollonborre]

11 minutes ago, Kejoz said:

 

Is much faster and agile, she can disengage. Izumos size and sluggishness makes it an easy target for he spammers and destroyers. 

I mean it's not that much bigger. More sluggish sure, but with the buffed armour it is much more tanky than a JB can ever hope to be.

[ColonelPete]

14 minutes ago, Kejoz said:

 

Is much faster and agile, she can disengage. Izumos size and sluggishness makes it an easy target for he spammers and destroyers. 

Her improved armor will shatter a lot of HE.

[vaapad_master]

5 hours ago, TohtoriP said:

And how is it gonna be better with Yamato then at tier 10? Yamato accuracy is Izumo-levels unless you can slot the legendary module. I think that you have a long grind ahead of you if you want that LU that makes Yamato actually more accurate.

 

Better to save your free XP and just play the Izumo. It seems to be a fine ship now.

I freexped it. Not fully tho. I played about 50 battles in Izumo. 

[Kejoz]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

Her improved armor will shatter a lot of HE.

Nevertheless it can be set on fire.

 

1 hour ago, ollonborre said:

I mean it's not that much bigger. More sluggish sure, but with the buffed armour it is much more tanky than a JB can ever hope to be.

Izumo is a massive ship (significantly bigger then JB ) with a lot of free deck, in HE meta this ship is useless and frustrating to play. Slow and sluggish high tier battleships have some hard time atm. Can you imagine being chased by a high tier pan EU destroyer while sailing in a Izumo? Being spammed by a Smolensk? Oh joy. Currently tankyness is as useful as AA.

 

 

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, Kejoz said:

Nevertheless it can be set on fire.

Every ship can. That is not really news...

[TohtoriP]

7 hours ago, Kejoz said:

Nevertheless it can be set on fire.

 

Izumo is a massive ship (significantly bigger then JB ) with a lot of free deck, in HE meta this ship is useless and frustrating to play. Slow and sluggish high tier battleships have some hard time atm. Can you imagine being chased by a high tier pan EU destroyer while sailing in a Izumo? Being spammed by a Smolensk? Oh joy. Currently tankyness is as useful as AA.

 

 

So your gripe is with high tier BB in general and not with Izumo. I can live with that.

 

However tankiness against HE is just what Izumo has and Jean Bart´s only way to deal with it is to "disengage" i.e. run away.

[ollonborre]

10 hours ago, Kejoz said:

Nevertheless it can be set on fire.

 

Izumo is a massive ship (significantly bigger then JB ) with a lot of free deck, in HE meta this ship is useless and frustrating to play. Slow and sluggish high tier battleships have some hard time atm. Can you imagine being chased by a high tier pan EU destroyer while sailing in a Izumo? Being spammed by a Smolensk? Oh joy. Currently tankyness is as useful as AA.

 

 

It is fairly long yes, but not exactly *that* much more massive than a JB. And all that free deck? Most of it is 57 mm, which shatters most HE. And since the chance to be set on fire is equal between JB and Izumo, the Izumo survives far longer during HE spam.

 

EDIT: I decided to rebuy the Izumo and try it again since I admit, I have not played it since it has been buffed. And honestly, I can't see why you would want to free XP it in its current state. Granted I have only played 3 games in it so far and the whole winning aspect is not great yet, but oh man that 57 mm deck buff and sigma change made it from a stinker to honestly quite fun and consistent.

Spoiler

Turret layout is pretty awkward, rudder shift is glacial, and the AA is pretty poor. But the gun consistency and armour makes it a nice gun platform and a good support ship. It even has better stealth so you can play the concealment game unlike previously. So initial impressions are these, it is not super great, but it is a waste to free XP past it.

[_DeathWing_]

Skip her, defo. 

[Jean_Bart]

Izumo is one of the worst battleships in the whole game!

[ColonelPete]

9 minutes ago, Jean_Bart said:

Izumo is one of the worst battleships in the whole game!

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20200523/eu_2month/average_ship_u.html

 

*Iowa cries silently...*

[Nit0]

17 hours ago, Jean_Bart said:

Izumo is one of the worst battleships in the whole game!

Incorrect.

[Commander_Ericson]

Got to be honest I was expecting it to be horrible as I got her just recently. So far I've been pleasantly surprised. Still on stock everything and grind out the upgrades. Sure it's an island, but it can tank a lot of damage with the armour and the guns seem nice. I like to get fairly close to caps, park nose in beside an island to make it harder for torps and be a pain to any enemy push. It does this better than a number of bb's that just melt under HE span, but I guess thats the trade off for being an island.