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Played multiple games this morning with 2 CVs vs 1-2 DDs and honestly, this isn't fun.

 

The purpose of a DD, in my opinion, is to be the front line of attack, contesting caps and knife fighting other DDs or spotting for your team. With 2 CVs in a game, you're confined to a support/escort ship with lacklustre AA and very little in the way of self-defence, you're basically useless. Sure I can play a DD, but in the current meta, why would I? 

 

There're so many features in the game now that hard counter DDs and DDs have very little in the way of return fire. You gave the Friesland some self-defence but in return removed the very thing that makes DDs so enjoyable to play... Torps (and speed).

 

Meanwhile, CVs are strong against everything. To further highlight the point, I'm an average player but I can boost my win rate by 10% if I just played CVs all the time. (According to my WoWs stats anyway)

 

IMO:
- Fighter, torp and bomber planes shouldn't be able to spot ships for the entire team. Only spotting aircraft should have that capability. 

- Planes should also have a timer (like the one you get after your carrier dies) to emulate fuel usage. Flying fighter planes over a smoke cloud for 2 minutes waiting for a DD is [edited]. 

- Games should be capped to 1 CV per team, maybe 2 bottom tier CVs. 

- CVs should be either utility or damage, not both. 

 

P.S I'm not saying this from the perspective of someone who has lost these games and did no damage as I've won 5 of the 6 games with multiple kills. It's the perspective of someone who just isn't enjoying the game in its current state and the playstyle I'm being forced into every game. 

 

This is just my personal opinion, maybe others won't agree but I just wanted to voice my concern over the current game state. 

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It is a different type of challenge. Nobody said that the game is easy all the time.

 

BB have to deal with DD.

CA have to deal with BB.

And DD have to deal with 2 CV from time to time.

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1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

It is a different type of challenge. Nobody said that the game is easy all the time.

 

BB have to deal with DD.

CA have to deal with BB.

And DD have to deal with 2 CV from time to time.

And CVs have to deal with the game timer running out. 

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6 minutes ago, kfa said:

And CVs have to deal with the game timer running out. 

Twiddling your thumbs will not bring you far in a CV.

A CV must know how best to support its team in a given situation.

  • Use your time for searching a DD
  • Strike fat juicy targets
  • Take a longer flight to finish off an enemy in the back
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9 minutes ago, kfa said:

And CVs have to deal with the game timer running out. 

CV’s have to deal with incompetent henchmen who all die within 5 minutes, while their only job was to stay alive long enough so I could win the match for them. It’s really infuriating at times.

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My point is, there are too many things in the game that counter DDs and what makes them fun to play and DDs don't give a lot back to the team.

 

- Yes, a DD can kill a BB. But BBs are also more than capable of killing a DD. I'd say it's a 50/50 fight depending on the player

- DDs lose 90% of Cruiser close encounters. Understandably. 

- DDs have nothing against CVs. 

- DDs struggle to trade against other DDs without taking a chunk of damage in a 1 v 1 

 

With CVs, Radar, Hydro. DDs just isn't a fun class to play anymore and you'll do more for your team by playing something else. 

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40 minutes ago, ImSteve said:

Played multiple games this morning with 2 CVs vs 1-2 DDs and honestly, this isn't fun.

 

The purpose of a DD, in my opinion, is to be the front line of attack, contesting caps and knife fighting other DDs or spotting for your team. With 2 CVs in a game, you're confined to a support/escort ship with lacklustre AA and very little in the way of self-defence, you're basically useless. Sure I can play a DD, but in the current meta, why would I? 

 

There're so many features in the game now that hard counter DDs and DDs have very little in the way of return fire. You gave the Friesland some self-defence but in return removed the very thing that makes DDs so enjoyable to play... Torps (and speed).

 

Meanwhile, CVs are strong against everything. To further highlight the point, I'm an average player but I can boost my win rate by 10% if I just played CVs all the time. (According to my WoWs stats anyway)

 

IMO:
- Fighter, torp and bomber planes shouldn't be able to spot ships for the entire team. Only spotting aircraft should have that capability. 

- Planes should also have a timer (like the one you get after your carrier dies) to emulate fuel usage. Flying fighter planes over a smoke cloud for 2 minutes waiting for a DD is [edited]. 

- Games should be capped to 1 CV per team, maybe 2 bottom tier CVs. 

- CVs should be either utility or damage, not both. 

 

P.S I'm not saying this from the perspective of someone who has lost these games and did no damage as I've won 5 of the 6 games with multiple kills. It's the perspective of someone who just isn't enjoying the game in its current state and the playstyle I'm being forced into every game. 

 

This is just my personal opinion, maybe others won't agree but I just wanted to voice my concern over the current game state. 

You should play dd because CV can not cap. We know BBs will not go near the cap and for cruisers it is dangerous. 

 

When CV is in game. Dd role is not to spot but to cap. use your smoke not to fire he on bbs but to hide from cv

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1 minute ago, ImSteve said:

My point is, there are too many things in the game that counter DDs and what makes them fun to play and DDs don't give a lot back to the team.

 

- Yes, a DD can kill a BB. But BBs are also more than capable of killing a DD. I'd say it's a 50/50 fight depending on the player

- DDs lose 90% of Cruiser close encounters. Understandably. 

- DDs have nothing against CVs. 

- DDs struggle to trade against other DDs without taking a chunk of damage in a 1 v 1 

 

With CVs, Radar, Hydro. DDs just isn't a fun class to play anymore and you'll do more for your team by playing something else. 

I pretty much limited my DD gameplay to occasional games, as fun vs effort does not balance.  Still I can do well and win most of the time, just can't be bothered.

To big risk of having all the fun in a game spoiled by some 35%WR window licker. With unicum CVs at least it is quick and painless. :cap_haloween:

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2 minutes ago, ImSteve said:

My point is, there are too many things in the game that counter DDs and what makes them fun to play and DDs don't give a lot back to the team.

 

- Yes, a DD can kill a BB. But BBs are also more than capable of killing a DD. I'd say it's a 50/50 fight depending on the player

- DDs lose 90% of Cruiser close encounters. Understandably. 

- DDs have nothing against CVs. 

- DDs struggle to trade against other DDs without taking a chunk of damage in a 1 v 1 

 

With CVs, Radar, Hydro. DDs just isn't a fun class to play anymore and you'll do more for your team by playing something else. 

Well, removing CVs from the equation would fix a lot of issues, as Radar and hydro can be worked around. 

DDs can still be fun…for as long the CV is chasing other DDs on your team around. 

 

Also, spread shiet is clearly telling WG that we're having 'fun', even if we haven't realized it yet. :Smile_sceptic:

 

 

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2 minutes ago, veslingr said:

You should play dd because CV can not cap. We know BBs will not go near the cap and for cruisers it is dangerous. 

 

When CV is in game. Dd role is not to spot but to cap. use your smoke not to fire he on bbs but to hide from cv

Yeah if you're running into a cap as the only DD vs 2 CVs, you have a 40% win rate. Period. lol

As I said before, I know how to play the matchup. The point is it isn't fun. 

 

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Please actually read my post before offering your opinion.

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Gerade eben, ImSteve sagte:

Yeah if you're running into a cap as the only DD vs 2 CVs, you have a 40% win rate. Period. lol

As I said before, I know how to play the matchup. The point is it isn't fun. 

 

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Please actually read my post before offering your opinion.

Don't you feel any joy in knowing that you outplayed a Class that should normally and by public opinion be easily able to deal with you as DD? 

Especially in the worst conditions meaning double CV's? 

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Yeah well, maybe DD players should not be morons. Several NONE CV games today and the 1st ships to die in the opening minutes?? Moron DD's. 

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1 minute ago, Bear_Necessities said:

Yeah well, maybe DD players should not be morons. Several NONE CV games today and the 1st ships to die in the opening minutes?? Moron DD's. 

Thank you for your valuable and completely irrelevant input into this conversation.

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1 hour ago, ImSteve said:


- Fighter, torp and bomber planes shouldn't be able to spot ships for the entire team. Only spotting aircraft should have that capability. 

 

This would make so much difference and it wont affect the amount of damage cvs do so shouldn't have too many whines from the cv players

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I welcome your concern for our well-being. I think as a DD you have to accept you do not survive every game. In those cases dealing better than you get is my goal.

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4 minutes ago, doskram said:

This would make so much difference and it wont affect the amount of damage cvs do so shouldn't have too many whines from the cv players

as a CV main I honestly don't care, it'll ruin one of the last things I can do for my team. 

 

Wouldn't it be easier just to mentally move the CVs to the same category as bad weather or map you don't like? Like "additional natural disaster" :Smile_unsure:

 

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2 minutes ago, mein_nick_ist_besetzt said:

as a CV main I honestly don't care, it'll ruin one of the last things I can do for my team. 

 

Wouldn't it be easier just to mentally move the CVs to the same category as bad weather or map you don't like? Like "additional natural disaster" :Smile_unsure:

 

No, because you can play around weather, radar, hydro. If there's a CV that wants you dead. You're either sat next to a cruiser the entire game or RIP and it isn't fun or engaging. 

Like literally when I play my CV, I'll drop a fighter over a smoke cloud and go kill something else while my bot AI fighters are free spotting a DD. How is that fair? 

 

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1 hour ago, Yoshanai said:

Another one q_q. 

It's just a normal day then, nothing unsual, we are not dreaming. Can't wait that this one is getting closed #soon

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5 minutes ago, ImSteve said:

No, because you can play around weather, radar, hydro. If there's a CV that wants you dead. You're either sat next to a cruiser the entire game or RIP and it isn't fun or engaging. 

Like literally when I play my CV, I'll drop a fighter over a smoke cloud and go kill something else while my bot AI fighters are free spotting a DD. How is that fair?

You can play as a DD without camping near a cruiser in a CV game. In your first post you claimed you knew how this works.... :cap_old:

And no, a fighter will not scare a DD. The smoke last longer than the fighter and even most DD can get rid of them quite quickly.

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3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

You can play as a DD without camping near a cruiser in a CV game. In your first post you claimed you knew how this works.... :cap_old:

And no, a fighter will not scare a DD. The smoke last longer than the fighter and even most DD can get rid of them quite quickly.

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You point was that DD sink, unless they camp near a cruiser and that fighters are unfair, but please elaborate if I missed something...

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1 hour ago, ImSteve said:

Thank you for your valuable and completely irrelevant input into this conversation.

But am I wrong though...

 

The answer is NO.

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2 hours ago, veslingr said:

You should play dd because CV can not cap

 

Oh I can show you dozens of screenshots where my divi mate in his CV steams passed me and just caps... because why not.

 

Or going channel on two brothers sinking the DD and cruiser he meets in there? While I watch in disbelief? :cap_hmm:

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