So...let's talk about MM again...

[Kutfroat]

...6 games today, 6 loses, all looking like this. I accidentaly deleted one picture, but believe me, it looked exactly the same.

 

So, dont tell me this is "bad luck", it isnt. It's stacking winning odds in the favour of one team, not against one player, not against me, that would be of course [edited], but it stacks. Additionally, I had 5 consecutive loses yesterday, too, I just started to document the outcome today. So I'm sitting at 11(!!!!!) loses in a row, that all looked like or similar to this, me being at least in top 3.

 

And all this games were rolls, not even close and often decided within the first 3-5 minutes with no chance of coming back...so basically a waste of time. it would have made no difference if I would have gone afk in one of these matches.

 

So...matchmaking isnt really random, there is an algorythm besides class mirrormatching. If it would be, something like this should not happen, or at least the odds are like winning the lottery.

 

And no, it's not the first time this happens to me, I had many "artificial streaks" like this, what - staristically - should be close to impossible.

 

Edit: And another one...same pattern...makes it 12 consecutive loses.

 

Edit: Another one...13 loses in a row. This time I was "only" 3rd in my team, as T7 in a T9 battle.

[ColonelPete]

This is bad luck...

 

Otherwise:

And I told you something about the odds:

... and why are you opening a new thread and not continuing your old one?

[Kutfroat]

22 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

This is bad luck...

 

Otherwise:

And I told you something about the odds:

... and why are you opening a new thread and not continuing your old one?

Because the old one was "salty". Now I got something to back up my claims, so sorry for this.

[ForlornSailor]

29 minutes ago, Kutfroat said:

So...matchmaking isnt really random, there is an algorythm besides class mirrormatching. If it would be, something like this should not happen, or at least the odds are like winning the lottery. 

 

And no, it's not the first time this happens to me, I had many "artificial streaks" like this, what - staristically - should be close to impossible.

 

And if you care to explain for what reason this should be and why WG would do this...

 

I love a good conspiracy theory but this one is just shallow.

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, Kutfroat said:

Because the old one was "salty". Now I got something to back up my claims, so sorry for this.

I see nothing backing that up. Just screenshots from a person who does not know what the "Print Key" does and uses his phone instead...

 

It would have made no difference to put this in your old thread.

[Kutfroat]

23 minutes ago, ForlornSailor said:

 

And if you care to explain for what reason this should be and why WG would do this...

 

I love a good conspiracy theory but this one is just shallow.

To shorten gametime, to reduce overall exp. gain to lengthen the grind, so people are more likely to spend money. It's all about money.

[Kutfroat]

20 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

I see nothing backing that up. Just screenshots from a person who does not know what the "Print Key" does and uses his phone instead...

 

It would have made no difference to put this in your old thread.

It does. Within 13 games I should have won at least 1, even If I did nothing but press the reverse key at the start.

 

Again...13 loses in a row, allways finishing within top 3 of your team is like winning the lottery, twice.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Kutfroat said:

To shorten gametime, to reduce overall exp. gain to lengthen the grind, so people are more likely to spend money. It's all about money.

The shorter the game time, the more matches you can play in an hour. That means more XP per time played. I doubt you can make more XP in an hour with 15+ minute matches.

There is a reason some players play hyper agressive and just jump into the next ship...

1 minute ago, Kutfroat said:

It does. Within 13 games I should have won at least 1, even If I did nothing but press the reverse key at the start.

 

Again...13 loses in a row, allways finishing within top 3 of your team is like winning the lottery, twice.

There is no "should" in statistics. You posted only 7 screenshots of which we do not know when you took them and if they are in order.

Losing 13 times in a row has a 1 in 8.192 chance for someone with 50% WR, far from winning the lottery (unless you are talking about consolation prices).

 

[Kutfroat]

Next one. 14 in a row...still, of course, "bad luck"!? Just look at the clan-leagues distribution. My team never was meant to have a chance...and that is the pattern. I'm not saying this only happens to me or is stacked against me, but 14 games in a row, where everytime one team is handicapped straight from the start just by how players get distributed, is not "bad luck".

 

 

[ColonelPete]

It was explained often enough. The more frustrated you get, the worse you play.

Stop playing after three losses in a row. Your problem is not the MM.

 

Edit: Tell us when you are at 26 losses in a row, THEN you are in lottery territory.

[Sub_Human]

6 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

It was explained often enough. The more frustrated you get, the worse you play.

Stop playing after three losses in a row. Your problem is not the MM.

That really is good advice. I think we have all done it at some point.

[Prospect_b]

17 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

It was explained often enough. The more frustrated you get, the worse you play. 

Stop playing after three losses in a row. Your problem is not the MM.

Yea, he is the problem.

Jeez, you really don't have anything useful to say, right.

 

24 minutes ago, Kutfroat said:

14 in a row...still, of course, "bad luck"!?

Hey OP. Lemme tell you what's going on:

 

1. You play a DD. Bad choice.

2. You play tier 7. Bad choice. You'll see tier nine a lot, where there's nothing but braindeads in their premium boats, which you'll have to carry in your little DD that can't do that.

3. It's weekend. Even more mongrels than usual.

 

You wanna play something and have decent chance to win? Here's what you do:

 

1. Play tier 10 or 9.

2. Take a carrier or radar cruiser. Or smolensk I guess.

3. If you want to play DD, I'd recommend something that has decent influence. Friesland maybe, which even has some AA against idiots in t8 cvs. (maybe even tX?). Or the British DDs, who have constant smoke to defend against planes.

 

glhf

[Kutfroat]

25 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

It was explained often enough. The more frustrated you get, the worse you play.

Stop playing after three losses in a row. Your problem is not the MM.

 

Edit: Tell us when you are at 26 losses in a row, THEN you are in lottery territory.

That is the "beating the dead horse" arguement. As you can clearly see, I didnt get frustrated. I see this as an experiment. If I would be frustrated and therefor play bad, I would make Big mistakes and for sure would not finish (almost allways) first in my team over and over again for 14 lost games in a row. That is exactly my point...I was the best player on my team, I was not the one responsable for the loss. 

 

In most of this games, the flank where I wasnt, collapsed within the first couple of minutes making this games not much more than a waste of time. This matches seem like they were never ment to be won for one team straight from the start.

 

But now I start to get tired of this, this playing against the odds. So I will quit for today. But I get the impression this starts to feel more and more like the WoT matchmaker, which was the worst part of that game and made me quit forever. 

[Ubertron_X]

[Bear__Necessities]

YOU.

ARE.

THE.

ONLY.

CONSISTENT.

FACTOR.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Kutfroat said:

That is the "beating the dead horse" arguement. As you can clearly see, I didnt get frustrated. I see this as an experiment. If I would be frustrated and therefor play bad, I would make Big mistakes and for sure would not finish (almost allways) first in my team over and over again for 14 lost games in a row. That is exactly my point...I was the best player on my team, I was not the one responsable for the loss. 

 

In most of this games, the flank where I wasnt, collapsed within the first couple of minutes making this games not much more than a waste of time. This matches seem like they were never ment to be won for one team straight from the start.

You can tell me a lot, but not that you are not frustrated.

And you can claim that you are not responsible for the losses, but as long as we do not see what you did, these are empty words. It is possible you were too passive or left a side open.

7 minutes ago, Saiyko said:

Yea, he is the problem.

Jeez, you really don't have anything useful to say, right.

If you are of the opinion that it is a good idea to continue playing in a loss streak, then you are free to do so.

But it is a pretty common advice to take a break in that situation.

[Prospect_b]

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

If you are of the opinion that it is a good idea to continue playing in a loss streak, then you are free to do so.

If it would be hampering his results, sure, then you'd be right. It's not though. Both you and @Bear_Necessities might be looking at those pictures better. He's being effed by bad luck, glorious matchmaking and turds in high tiers.

[Kutfroat]

3 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said:

YOU.

ARE.

THE.

ONLY.

CONSISTENT.

FACTOR.

AND.

ALLWAYS.

ON.

TOP.

OF.

MY.

TEAMS.

SCOREBOARD.

MOST.

OF.

THE.

TIME.

SO.

OBVIOUSLY.

IT.

WAS.

NOT.

ME.

LOSING.

THE.

GAMES.

NOR.

GETTING.

FRUSTRATED.

 

LOOK.

AT.

THE.

TEAMDISTRIBUTION.

CLAN(LEAGUES)/RANKS.

OF.

PLAYERS.

SEE.

THE.

PATTERN.

[ThePopesHolyFinger]

11 minutes ago, Kutfroat said:

...I was the best player on my team, I was not the one responsable for the loss. 

You were top tier in most of this games, but didn't score much differently from others

 

In most of this games, the flank where I wasnt, collapsed within the first couple of minutes making this games not much more than a waste of time.

Maybe go to the other flank more often?

 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Saiyko said:

If it would be hampering his results, sure, then you'd be right. It's not though. Both you and @Bear_Necessities might be looking at those pictures better. He's being effed by bad luck, glorious matchmaking and turds in high tiers.

• the screenshots could be from different days
• we do not know which screenshot he left out (he claims more losses than there are screenshots)
• we do not know what he did in these games, many XP does not mean he played for the win

[Bear__Necessities]

4 minutes ago, Saiyko said:

If it would be hampering his results, sure, then you'd be right. It's not though. Both you and @Bear_Necessities might be looking at those pictures better. He's being effed by bad luck, glorious matchmaking and turds in high tiers.

Which is nothing new and has always been the case since this game began. 

[Kutfroat]

9 minutes ago, DB2212 said:

 

Again...this games were steamrolls, not allways because particularly short, but decided within the first few minutes on the other side of the map, with no way to come back. I only controll one ship. I cant be everywhere on the map.

 

And when it's allready 2:7 in kills, your base getting capped from the other flank and the only thing you can do to stay alive and hope for a miracle is to kite away and dodge, because you get targeted by 6 ships, you're not likely to get an exceptional game with twice the exp. than the second best player in your team. No matter if high tier or not.

[Kutfroat]

4 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

• the screenshots could be from different days
• we do not know which screenshot he left out (he claims more losses than there are screenshots)
• we do not know what he did in these games, many XP does not mean he played for the win

the screenshots are all from today, all concecutive games. Why would I make something like this up? Stay reasonable.

[Kutfroat]

10 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said:

Which is nothing new and has always been the case since this game began. 

And why does something like this never happen the other way? I had multiple 10+ losingstreaks like this, but never 10+ win streaks where I was at the bottom of my teams scorelist. Sure, from time to time I screw up and my team still wins, but not 10+ in a row. Never.

 

Or I get those wins where my team completely steamrolls the enemy and there is just no time to do something and therefor you end up in the middle/bottom of your team...but those, too, are not happening in streaks.

[Xevious_Red]

8 minutes ago, Kutfroat said:

AND.

ALLWAYS.

ON.

TOP.

OF.

MY.

TEAMS.

SCOREBOARD.

MOST.

OF.

THE.

TIME.

SO.

OBVIOUSLY.

IT.

WAS.

NOT.

ME.

LOSING.

THE.

GAMES.

NOR.

GETTING.

FRUSTRATED.

 

You are of course aware, before you decide to be very patronising, that being on top of the scoreboard, and actually being useful aren't the same thing?

 

Xp (and thus the scoreboard) is heavily based around damage. So pointlessly farming useless damage will get you high on the scoreboard, but wont actually win you any games.

 

I'm sure you're also aware that the Sims has an incredibly high XP modifier? That's the reason it was the go to ship in tier 7 ranked for saving a star. You could pretty much take a cap, do a little shooting and voila top of the scoreboard.

 

 

Now you may well have been doing the most useful things ever. But you cant tell that from.a scoreboard, since you could also be at the top from pointlessly sitting in a smoke cloud shooting at BB.

 

Since none of us saw those games, and you havent put up replays, ask yourself; Was what you did the best possible play for winning the game? Or are you merely presuming you were the best since you earned the most xp?

 

If you were genuinely doing the best possible, then thats a sucky run, but it happens. If you were just farming xp instead of playing to win, then you can change that.