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I know, it is all "random", that is the reason why you get asked "how satisfied were you with the last battle" after some matches...guys, just use common sense...no reason to ask if it would be random (class mirror matching is not the reason why they are asking). And if it would be truely random, 4+ streaks - in either way - statistcally should be nearly as rare as a lottery jackpot, yet they happen rather frequently, lately especially losing streaks. Just roll a dice, how often do you roll below or above 3/4 for four times in a row...yet, in this "random" matchmaking enviroment you get 5+ losingstreaks once every 2-3 days...that's like winning the lottery twice a year.

 

To get to the point, since last patch, the matchmaking is atrocious. It got so bad, it reached WoT niveau, which was the reason I quit playing it.

 

So, I and everyone that is dissatisfied with the matchmaking - just make it truly random, besides class mirror matching - vote with your wallet, it's the only language "they" understand and respect. I really, really wanted to get myself a Sims B and premium time (Sims got me into closed beta back then), but the "random" matchmaking just frustrates...so, yeah, sorry, "you" dont get my money.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Kutfroat said:

To get to the point, since last patch, the matchmaking is atrocious.

Are you talking about Matchmaker or the (dis)ability of players? 

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It has become a bit more like WoT. The algorithm will give you more challenging games if you are doing well. It is designed to keep you playing and hopefully paying. However due to the nature of WoWS it is not as bad as WoT. Regardless of tier, you can still make an impact. Stupidity is not punished as hard. Tactical awareness, forward planning can go along way. The exception is the potato team that within a few minutes are decimated. Then you can just try to get as much damage before the inevitable happens.

The game? Its still good.

 

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28 minutes ago, Kutfroat said:

I know, it is all "random", that is the reason why you get asked "how satisfied were you with the last battle" after some matches...guys, just use common sense...no reason to ask if it would be random (class mirror matching is not the reason why they are asking). And if it would be truely random, 4+ streaks - in either way - statistcally should be nearly as rare as a lottery jackpot, yet they happen rather frequently, lately especially losing streaks. Just roll a dice, how often do you roll below or above 3/4 for four times in a row...yet, in this "random" matchmaking enviroment you get 5+ losingstreaks once every 2-3 days...that's like winning the lottery twice a year.

 

To get to the point, since last patch, the matchmaking is atrocious. It got so bad, it reached WoT niveau, which was the reason I quit playing it.

 

So, I and everyone that is dissatisfied with the matchmaking - just make it truly random, besides class mirror matching - vote with your wallet, it's the only language "they" understand and respect. I really, really wanted to get myself a Sims B and premium time (Sims got me into closed beta back then), but the "random" matchmaking just frustrates...so, yeah, sorry, "you" dont get my money.

Can you tell me of which lottery you are talking? I like the odds of 1 to 32...

 

And I also suggest you do not lose the Tier and team size MM rules. A duel between a Tier IV and a Tier X CV as a random result would be pretty boring...

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You get what you wished for. Years and years of moaning about T8 MM. You didn’t think there would be other consequences?

 

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On 11/29/2019 at 12:55 AM, Akula971 said:
On 11/29/2019 at 12:55 AM, Akula971 said:

It has become a bit  a lot  like WoT. The algorithm will give you more challenging  (euphemism for " frustrating"/one-sided ) games if you are doing well. It is designed to keep you playing and hopefully paying.

 

< let you get the feeling : PAY us REAL money if you want to be competitive  and want to make any reasonable progress in the techtrees beyond tier VII, or GTFO and play  1 of those 1000 games from other companies available on Steam.>

 

You can buy 2 (somewhat) good games at discount for the same money as 1 premium ship here. Or you can get you a brandnew AAA title for the same money  of ONE lousy copy-paste premium ship that will be powercrept guaranteed.

 

Your choice, your money. !

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On 11/29/2019 at 12:25 AM, Kutfroat said:

I know, it is all "random", that is the reason why you get asked "how satisfied were you with the last battle" after some matches...guys, just use common sense...no reason to ask if it would be random (class mirror matching is not the reason why they are asking). And if it would be truely random, 4+ streaks - in either way - statistcally should be nearly as rare as a lottery jackpot, yet they happen rather fre.

You never worked in a large service based company right?

 

The ugly truth is this m8 - the MM is totally random and the playerbase is that bad

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34 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

You never worked in a large service based right?

 

The ugly truth is this m8 - the MM is totally random and the playerbase is that bad

 

The ugly truth is "totally random"' does not exist when big money is involved.

 

a few examples :

cycling: doping - Lance Armstrong

athletics: doping - Marion Jones

casinos: loaded dice/stacked cards/slot machines/ the house always wins

WoT/WoWs: the house always wins , lol.  Scrutinize  the algoritms for this computer-game and you will see !  Oh, wait we cannot see those; how convenient for the house !

 

Just because you cannot see it doesnt mean it is not there, or it is "totally random"'

"'Totally random" is a belief , an image, an advertisement.

"'Tinfoil hats territory" is a belief, a gut feeling, an emotion.

 

Now hand over or publicise  those algoritms Wargaming uses,  :Smile_coin: , and we will tell you what is a fact, and what is a myth !:Smile_Default:

But I do not comment on your observation of the playerbase .:Smile_teethhappy:

 

Thank you, and you're  welcome !

 

 

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So tell us more how do you think WG is rigging the MM and how much are they earning through that?

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3 hours ago, Garfield4 said:

 

The ugly truth is "totally random"' does not exist when big money is involved.

 

a few examples :

cycling: doping - Lance Armstrong

athletics: doping - Marion Jones

casinos: loaded dice/stacked cards/slot machines/ the house always wins

WoT/WoWs: the house always wins , lol.  Scrutinize  the algoritms for this computer-game and you will see !  Oh, wait we cannot see those; how convenient for the house !

  • cycling is not random
  • athletics are not random
  • gambling companies have to make money, otherwise they cannot exist, and it is still random; random does not mean it is fair
3 hours ago, Garfield4 said:

Now hand over or publicise  those algoritms Wargaming uses,  :Smile_coin: , and we will tell you what is a fact, and what is a myth !:Smile_Default:

When you do not believe their words, why would you believe their code?

The code could be the right code or some bogus code.

Apart from that is their MM code a trade secret and not something they will publicize.

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On 11/29/2019 at 12:25 AM, Kutfroat said:

I know, it is all "random", that is the reason why you get asked "how satisfied were you with the last battle" after some matches...guys, just use common sense...no reason to ask if it would be random (class mirror matching is not the reason why they are asking). And if it would be truely random, 4+ streaks - in either way - statistcally should be nearly as rare as a lottery jackpot, yet they happen rather frequently, lately especially losing streaks. Just roll a dice, how often do you roll below or above 3/4 for four times in a row...yet, in this "random" matchmaking enviroment you get 5+ losingstreaks once every 2-3 days...that's like winning the lottery twice a year.

 

To get to the point, since last patch, the matchmaking is atrocious. It got so bad, it reached WoT niveau, which was the reason I quit playing it.

 

So, I and everyone that is dissatisfied with the matchmaking - just make it truly random, besides class mirror matching - vote with your wallet, it's the only language "they" understand and respect. I really, really wanted to get myself a Sims B and premium time (Sims got me into closed beta back then), but the "random" matchmaking just frustrates...so, yeah, sorry, "you" dont get my money.

 

 

How are your losing streaks connected to MM? And hidden stats, i suspect the problem sits between your chair and your keyboard. We all get losing streaks, but some get them more often than others i guess. And i am not dissatisfied with the MM, i like a challenge now and then.

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3 hours ago, Garfield4 said:

casinos: the house always wins

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One thing that I will give to the MM is that it made me a 'better' CV player (I played them dis month for first time ever) than I ever thought I'll be. Mostly because it gives me time to play (50%) of the time. So I can correct some of my mistakes and some of the team's. It don't always works, yes I'm constantly chat banned but at least I have turned some streaks around and won games I shouldn't have like my last one, where I had 5 (five) players wit less than 100 games in my team. They died in 4:34 at the start. But it wasn't a loss and I'm proud of it. I'm also exhausted so I will play some

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I'm way less in T10-matches with T8, and the T9-experience has increased that much, that I like to play T9 for the first time in ages. 

So no complaints from my side. :Smile_honoring:

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If the odds for winning or losing a game are 50:50, the odds for losing (or winning) 4 in a row are 1:16, which makes it a fairly common thing. I don't know of lotteries that have better odds, at least if you're referring to the main prize.

 

Actually, if you don't care about winning or losing in a streak, the odds of getting 3 more losses or wins after a match that is either won or lost makes the odds 1:8. Basically, if you play a few dozen games, you are more likely than not to have a streak of four.

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Vor 12 Stunden, Garfield4 sagte:

You can buy 2 (somewhat) good games at discount for the same money as 1 premium ship here. Or you can get you a brandnew AAA title for the same money  of ONE lousy copy-paste premium ship that will be powercrept guaranteed.

 

Your choice, your money. !

gl & hf.

I really like this game. I also spent too much money at the beginning. You are right about premium ships. They are totally overpriced. Often there are indeed lousy copy-paste ships. It hasn't bother me as long as the game is designed well. But there are a lot of things that bothers me. Some examples ... Matchmaking ... one Level is ok, two Levels difference are complete unfair. I have only two LV 10 ships and I am playing (Großer Kurfuerst) at the moment because of Rankgames. And i often entcounterd the Smolensk ... you know... OP....That is why i don't spend any money at this game anymore (they don't listen to the comunity and they have become way to greedy). I still play it, bcause it's STILL fun. I hope, WG will change their policy. 

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Well the weekend is almost over. It has been horrendous. No matter how hard one tries, it has been almost impossible to secure more than a few wins out of an avalanche of losses.

Random chance? Bullhooks. A quick look at the players stats and number of games played tells me all I need to see.

Team A (Who lost) 3 players with a high number of games, WR about 55%, the rest? Low number of games, average WR 45% (one at 5K games 38% WR)

Team B (Who won, and annihilated team A) Most players with a high number of games (5K+) and average win rate >53%

 

The algo does not decides who win or loses, but it sure as hell arms one side with spears, and sharp fruit and the other with carbines.

 

I end the weekend thinking, as usual what would be a better use of my time?

The level of game play is appalling.

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I have even better idea for OP. Stop playing not only giving them money. That will show them!

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On 12/1/2019 at 6:45 AM, Garfield4 said:

The ugly truth is "totally random"' does not exist when big money is involved.

 

a few examples :

cycling: doping - Lance Armstrong

athletics: doping - Marion Jones

casinos: loaded dice/stacked cards/slot machines/ the house always wins

WoT/WoWs: the house always wins , lol.  Scrutinize  the algoritms for this computer-game and you will see !  Oh, wait we cannot see those; how convenient for the house !

No matter how much money you spend on your examples they are still the wrong ones as all can be overcome with dedication and Training especially cin Athletics.

 

On 12/1/2019 at 6:45 AM, Garfield4 said:

Now hand over or publicise  those algoritms Wargaming uses,  :Smile_coin: , and we will tell you what is a fact, and what is a myth !:Smile_Default:

But I do not comment on your observation of the playerbase .:Smile_teethhappy:

I find it absolutely mindblowing how one can come to this convictions.... but then again  if i want something to be a certain way it has to be that certain way

Here have a read

https://patents.google.com/patent/US8425330B1/en

If you can not comprehensively reconstruct code to make the described things happen, i doubt your ability to analyse the actual code for WOWs.

Hint if they stray from the patent it gets voided and can be filled by another party, that would just mean WG has to pay for their own matchmaker.

 

What i have seen from the OP in Battle and from you elsewhere i have a sad but hard to swallow pill for you guys..

Money can not buy Skill... as WG can not sell it to you there might be something else missing........

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Since i started leveling a new account on NA, i started appreciating whatever crap the game throws at me on EU. 

Mostly tho, there are exceptions and i'm not a masochist. 

 

The Quality of gameplay on NA is beyond atrocious and calling it bad would be understatement of the year. 

It makes every other Server look good in comparison. 

I had several games (TVI - VIII) where half my team died within 5 minutes. 

 

So yeah, most team mates on EU are bad but it could be worse, much much worse. 

 

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Am 29.11.2019 um 00:25, Kutfroat sagte:

I know, it is all "random", that is the reason why you get asked "how satisfied were you with the last battle" after some matches...guys, just use common sense...no reason to ask if it would be random (class mirror matching is not the reason why they are asking). And if it would be truely random, 4+ streaks - in either way - statistcally should be nearly as rare as a lottery jackpot, yet they happen rather frequently, lately especially losing streaks. Just roll a dice, how often do you roll below or above 3/4 for four times in a row...yet, in this "random" matchmaking enviroment you get 5+ losingstreaks once every 2-3 days...that's like winning the lottery twice a year.

 

To get to the point, since last patch, the matchmaking is atrocious. It got so bad, it reached WoT niveau, which was the reason I quit playing it.

 

So, I and everyone that is dissatisfied with the matchmaking - just make it truly random, besides class mirror matching - vote with your wallet, it's the only language "they" understand and respect. I really, really wanted to get myself a Sims B and premium time (Sims got me into closed beta back then), but the "random" matchmaking just frustrates...so, yeah, sorry, "you" dont get my money.

 

 

I will vote by buying tons of Christmas containers and that will show them! 

 

Like what's even the point of this thread mate. 30 people will read it and you think that'll make a difference? 

Come on man. 

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Matchmaking just killed this game. I know, the game will remain...but with wath gameplay, with wath players??? You can call it a bad luck or "random MM" in 3-5 even 10 games in a row...but 2-3 months getting the same sh.t and trash of a players...cmn WG wake up or you lossing it. I dont rmmbr when is the last time I rly enjoyed this game, honestly...and I used to love it. I just dont understand why you keep ignoring this essential issue, and you putting submarines, some funny ships, funny camos, interface is from the 1989...and so on and so on. I dont see the fun when my team lose (or win) in first 2mins of the game...it is just a simple BS! If you have 10 players with WR of 30-40%, just split them and make them 5 in each team, when you put them all in one team (and you always do that) it is not fun even for the winning team....WAKE UP, BALANCED IT!!!

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On 12/2/2019 at 8:14 AM, Sir_Grzegorz said:

I have even better idea for OP. Stop playing not only giving them money. That will show them!

I agree, if he has some issues like that he should just make a breake. Longer one. Play another game for a while helps too. 

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