203mm SAP doesn't pen british cruisers

[SV_Kompresor]

Now, I'm not usually a guy that whines on the forums, but can someone please explain what the actual fk is going on here? Since when do 203mm shells not pen a broadside minotaur at 1.5km? AP shells do, so why the heck are SAP shells unable to? Or is it that the minotaurs mighty belt armor is now invincible?

What did I miss?

 

[Yedwy]

SAP pens 54mm of armor, Minotaur has a belt of what 127mm? This is why you have normal AP...

[lafeel]

3 minutes ago, domen3 said:

What did I miss?

 

Load AP.

[SV_Kompresor]

Vor 3 Stunden, lafeel sagte:

Load AP.

You don't say. This ammo doesn't deserve the name armor piercing. It should've been SHE, edited

[lafeel]

Vor 3 Stunden, domen3 sagte:

You don't say. This ammo doesn't deserve the name armor piercing. It should've been SHE, edited

Then you would have people such as yourself complaining why it doesn't cause fire instead..

[SV_Kompresor]

1 minute ago, lafeel said:

Then you would have people such as yourself complaining why it doesn't cause fire instead..

It would still make more sense to have an HE shell that still explodes on contact as opposed to an armor piercing shell that doesn't pen armor

[ForlornSailor]

21 minutes ago, domen3 said:

Since when do 203mm shells not pen a broadside minotaur at 1.5km? HE shells do

 

From where do you have the idea, that you can pen the citadell armor of Minotaur with 203mm HE? That would be a ... citadell you know.

[DFens_666]

21 minutes ago, domen3 said:

HE shells do

 

203mm Cruiser HE doesnt citadel Minotaur either.

You can check the armor penetration capability of SAP in port like HE. On midtiers, SAP can citadel some Cruisers afaik.

 

[SV_Kompresor]

6 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

203mm Cruiser HE doesnt citadel Minotaur either.

You can check the armor penetration capability of SAP in port like HE. On midtiers, SAP can citadel some Cruisers afaik.

 

Alright fair enough about HE, still I've never had this happen to me with a zao for example and I sure as hell haven't only hit the superstructure. So basically we got a shell that ironically doesn't do exactly what its name advertises it does.

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

6 minutes ago, domen3 said:

Alright fair enough about HE, still I've never had this happen to me with a zao for example and I sure as hell haven't only hit the superstructure. So basically we got a shell that ironically doesn't do exactly what its name advertises it does.

S means semi.

[HaachamaShipping]

7 minutes ago, domen3 said:

Alright fair enough about HE, still I've never had this happen to me with a zao for example and I sure as hell haven't only hit the superstructure. So basically we got a shell that ironically doesn't do exactly what its name advertises it does.

Yes, because Zao has no SAP. If you now want to tell me that Zao HE can citpen Minos, I call BS. If you want to point out that Zao AP can citpen, you know, Italians also have full AP, not just semi-AP, right? Or what do you think that ammo is still for? SAP is an HE replacement for a goddamn reason.

[SV_Kompresor]

Just now, Sleepy_Bunny said:

Yes, because Zao has no SAP. If you now want to tell me that Zao HE can citpen Minos, I call BS. If you want to point out that Zao AP can citpen, you know, Italians also have full AP, not just semi-AP, right? Or what do you think that ammo is still for? SAP is an HE replacement for a goddamn reason.

So call it SHE

[creamgravy]

Should've been called crAP before the buff.

[iFax]

17 minutes ago, domen3 said:

So basically we got a shell that ironically doesn't do exactly what its name advertises it does.

Yes it does...

 

It only has a limited AP potential compared to its beyond armour effect. The shell was never designed to penetrate armour thickness that it's AP equivalent was.

 

[Yedwy]

18 minutes ago, domen3 said:

So call it SHE

But its not HE ammo, it does the bounce check on impact and doesnt provide contact detonation (weather immediate or delayed) of main charge which is a reason it doesnt start fires or does burst damage on modules like HE

[kiteohatto]

You could say...

It SAPs the fun out of it.

 

 

I'll see myself out.

[Miragetank90]

28 minutes ago, domen3 said:

So call it SHE

 

There is no ammo type in reality designation ''SHE'', unless you count angry modern feminists, which is a questionable type to use in any circumstance and a violation of the Geneva convention in any case(or it should be).

 

Then again, shooting SHE out of  a cannon at high velocity at my enemies intrigues me 

 

[Yedwy]

1 minute ago, Miragetank90 said:

 

There is no ammo type in reality designation ''SHE'', unless you count angry modern feminists, which is a questionable type to use in any circumstance and a violation of the Geneva convention in any case(or it should be).

 

Oh man wait till you forget anniversary...

[floribe2000]

Edited a post because of inappropriate language.

[Camperdown]

3 hours ago, iFax said:

Yes it does...

 

It only has a limited AP potential compared to its beyond armour effect. The shell was never designed to penetrate armour thickness that it's AP equivalent was.

 

Historically SAP could pen up to 75% of its calibre in thickness. So I understand the op surprise 

[LordTareq]

3 hours ago, Camperdown said:

Historically SAP could pen up to 75% of its calibre in thickness. So I understand the op surprise 

 

The russian ships will get that 

[Wedontneedmoregrippen]

Feels some problem for italian shells at close range:

SAP shatter because have very limited penetration (54mm ifhe doesn't work too).

AP (high velocity) just overpen like all AP (versus Master Cruiser Smolensk) because belt thicknes/ ship size not enough to arm properly in citadel area.

Can somebody can confirm some cruiser at close and broadside "imunne citadel" to Italian 203mm shells as SAP shatter and AP overpen.

Please don't ask shot for superstructure or upperbelt for consistent dmg...

[DasTongle]

16 hours ago, domen3 said:

You don't say. This ammo doesn't deserve the name armor piercing. It should've been SHE, edited

Either you learn to use SEMI!!!! Armor Piercing , that means shoot anything below 50mm Armor or you shouldn't complain. As the others said thats the spot for AP.

[KielYourself]

17 hours ago, domen3 said:

Now, I'm not usually a guy that whines on the forums, but can someone please explain what the actual fk is going on here? Since when do 203mm shells not pen a broadside minotaur at 1.5km? AP shells do, so why the heck are SAP shells unable to? Or is it that the minotaurs mighty belt armor is now invincible?

What did I miss?

 

M8, sap has a fixed pen value at all ranges, like he. It wont pen more the closer you are. 

[Fat_Maniac]

16 hours ago, domen3 said:

Alright fair enough about HE, still I've never had this happen to me with a zao for example and I sure as hell haven't only hit the superstructure. So basically we got a shell that ironically doesn't do exactly what its name advertises it does.

It does exactly what it is advertised to do. SEMI armor piercing shell. 

 

It has more pen than a HE shell but less that an AP shell.