German BB accuracy gets a buff !

[VanD4rk]

 

""German battleships:

Ellipse of main caliber gun shells dispersion is adjusted to the settings of the American and British battleships.

This change will increase the accuracy of all German battleships and make the playing experience more comfortable."

 

I must be dreaming reading this.

Faith in WG restored ! Amen !

 

 

Now we must actually aim with this ships.

[BNS_Victory]

Sorry but this change is retarded. Ok they needed a buff, but making the guns as accurate as usn bb's is just stupid. What has montana to offer now? They schould have given those things maybe a damage con buff or secondary buff or better heal, but NOT accuracy!

 

And what about Tirpitz? That ship really doesn't need a buff imo

[Hedgehog1963]

So now their one weak point is gone...  

[Aetius85]

From which update should be this done?

[Jethro_Grey]

Just now, BNS_Victory said:

Sorry but this change is Long overdue and much needed. Ok they needed a buff, but making the guns as accurate as usn bb's is just a smart move by WG, Kudos. What has montana to offer now apart from better Sigma, Speed, different armor layout and playstyle? I am glad that they didn't give the KM  BBs a stupid, pointless and ineffective buff to their secondaries! Bravo WG, BRAVO!!!! 

 

Tirpitz is a sexy ship and this very welcome buff makes her a slightly bigger threat then she's now. 

You seem to have mistyped a couple of times...but no problem! I fixed it for you. You're welcome! 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

 

Now if WG can do something about the Graf Zeps awful DB's and make theher torps more damage producing, I may even love WG a little bit more,  also clarifies which line I will be going for on my alt acc

[Aragathor]

24 minutes ago, VanD4rk said:

 

""German battleships:

Ellipse of main caliber gun shells dispersion is adjusted to the settings of the American and British battleships.

This change will increase the accuracy of all German battleships and make the playing experience more comfortable."

 

I must be dreaming reading this.

Faith in WG restored ! Amen !

 

 

Now we must actually aim with this ships.

You forgot to add:

 

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• "Hydroacoustic Search Modification 1" can now be mounted on any ship starting from Tier VI, equipped with "Hydroacoustic Search" consumable.

Now this modification can be mounted on German battleships.

 

[rnat]

6 minutes ago, Hedgehog1963 said:

So now their one weak point is gone...

They are still large, clumsy and have poor AA.

[HaachamaShipping]

9 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

You seem to have mistyped a couple of times...but no problem! I fixed it for you. You're welcome! 

What speed advantage? Both go 30 knots. 

[wot_2016_gunner]

Guys, honestly, i run the numbers and it's actually not a huge buff, still welcomed tho. It's actually just a 2m dispersion buff, without any upgrades (i'm already running Aiming System Mod. 1 on my Gneisenau). Example: G.K. "stock" dispersion now is 268m (without any upgrades); with Aiming upgrade is 251m. With the buff it will be 266m (20.61*10+60 instead of 20.61*9.8+66), and with the Aiming upgrade (which i would have run anyway) it will become 247m. Bare in mind that the American BBs have -11% dispersion upgrade on slot 6.

[DrMechano]

[kapnobathrac]

id rather they moved GK back turrets so they get a decent angle and keep the bad dispersion.

[thiextar]

1 hour ago, wot_2016_gunner said:

Guys, honestly, i run the numbers and it's actually not a huge buff, still welcomed tho. It's actually just a 2m dispersion buff, without any upgrades (i'm already running Aiming System Mod. 1 on my Gneisenau). Example: G.K. "stock" dispersion now is 268m (without any upgrades); with Aiming upgrade is 251m. With the buff it will be 266m (20.61*10+60 instead of 20.61*9.8+66), and with the Aiming upgrade (which i would have run anyway) it will become 247m. Bare in mind that the American BBs have -11% dispersion upgrade on slot 6.

Actually, that is far from the whole story, the dispersion number you see in game in next to useless, as it only tells you the maximum radius of the hit elipse at max range, but dispersion is not just a simple number, its a formula.

 

Here you can see the dispersion formulas as they currently are: 

 

As you can see, the biggest difference between german and american dispersion formula, is at short range.

 

Moreover, the dispersion number you see in game is just the radius to the longest side of an eclipse. If we simplify that to being the radius of a circle, the formula for hit area would be: pi*r^2, aka hit area is a function of the square of the radius that we see in-game, so in reality, any small change to this radius, is a much bigger change than it seems like. Pushing this further, the ships sigma value will get applied to a smaller elipse, which will further lower average hit area.

 

Dispersion is much more than a single number. And this accuracy buff, while not massive, is a lot bigger than it seems on the surface.

[Lord0]

3 hours ago, VanD4rk said:

 

""German battleships:

Ellipse of main caliber gun shells dispersion is adjusted to the settings of the American and British battleships.

This change will increase the accuracy of all German battleships and make the playing experience more comfortable."

 

I must be dreaming reading this.

Faith in WG restored ! Amen !

 

 

Now we must actually aim with this ships.

Where did you read this mate?

[rnat]

9 minutes ago, Lord0 said:

Where did you read this mate?

 

3 hours ago, YabbaCoe said:

German battleships:

• Ellipse of main caliber gun shells dispersion is adjusted to the settings of the American and British battleships.

 

[NothingButTheRain]

So no Secondary Battery Reload Booster? 

[dasCKD]

3 hours ago, BNS_Victory said:

Sorry but this change is retarded. Ok they needed a buff, but making the guns as accurate as usn bb's is just stupid. What has montana to offer now? They schould have given those things maybe a damage con buff or secondary buff or better heal, but NOT accuracy!

 

And what about Tirpitz? That ship really doesn't need a buff imo

The  Montana still can mount the -11% battery accuracy upgrade which is still unique to American BBs.

[Prospect_b]

3 hours ago, kapnobathrac said:

id rather they moved GK back turrets so they get a decent angle and keep the bad dispersion.

This. Not a wehreboo, so I don't particularly care about the german BBs, but what makes the GK weak isn't its bad dispersion, it's got the amount of guns and reload to compensate for that.

It's the stupid amount of broad side you have to give to shoot them, and not getting citadelled (in general) is small comfort when you'll eat twenty K damage per ship that shoots you if you do that.

 

edit: and to add to that: that 20k damage is way more reliable to get than getting a cit on an equal amount of broad side giving non-german BB...

[El2aZeR]

12 hours ago, rnat said:

They are still large, clumsy and have poor AA.

 

KM BB AA, like pretty much all BB AA, is among the best in the game simply because they can mount the catapult fighter. Certainly better than any AA cruiser.

Aside from GK they're also far from clumsy.

[DasTongle]

13 hours ago, BNS_Victory said:

Sorry but this change is retarded. Ok they needed a buff, but making the guns as accurate as usn bb's is just stupid. What has montana to offer now? They schould have given those things maybe a damage con buff or secondary buff or better heal, but NOT accuracy!

 

And what about Tirpitz? That ship really doesn't need a buff imo

Getting the Elipsoid isn't making them Accurate its making them a little more accurate ;)

And well maybe you can at least predict the potatoshells now a bit better you know the one that dispersed so far out that you suddenly get citadelled....

[rnat]

36 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

KM BB AA, like pretty much all BB AA, is among the best in the game simply because they can mount the catapult fighter.

Aside from GK they're also far from clumsy.

On higher tiers heir rudder-shift tends to be a tad worse than average and their turning circles are on the large side tier for tier. So at least they are clumsier than average.

Granted the Bisco is relatively similar to the competition and the Gnei is fast for it's tier so their handling feels comparatively normal, it's only the FdG and GK where it really stands out.

I don't count the catapult fighter as a very effective AAA-measure for a particular reason: In most cases they are more of a deterrent/retaliation killing some planes on the way out rather than reducing the incoming strike.

At least in my experience as a CV and surface ship, I might be mistaken about that due to wrong use.

[El2aZeR]

20 minutes ago, rnat said:

I might be mistaken about that due to wrong use.

 

You are. Even as a deterrent they function far better than anything else.

Besides, the raw AA values are nothing to laugh at as they are better than most same tier cruisers.

[rnat]

6 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

You are.

Besides, the raw AA values are nothing to laugh at as they are better than most same tier cruisers.

Interesting. Have to look for a way to make the planes waste enough time in the action-zone for them to trigger before the strike.

Most decent CVs tend to just in-and-out bomb me if I trigger fighters when i see them coming towards me.

BB AA being better than cruisers tier for tier is something most BB-lines can boast of though (hooray balans), it's not particular to KM ones.

I probably should have specified it in the beginning as not particularly noteworthy = not particularly useful AA (as on most ships).

Again this is mainly from my experience fighting them in CVs and being attacked by CVs in them.

Your mileage may differ (i heard you know a thing or so about them flying thingies )

[El2aZeR]

54 minutes ago, rnat said:

Interesting. Have to look for a way to make the planes waste enough time in the action-zone for them to trigger before the strike.

 

They rarely will. However they pretty much guarantee that no follow up strike will be happening unlike DFAA.

Given that this garbage rework builds around "a strike will always go through" this is the most you can ask for.

[LordTareq]

German bb AA is mediocre. I can make repeated torpedo/db runs with the same squadron on the bismarck and tirpitz with the tier 6 carrier, no problem. It’s not comparable to US bb’s which are almost untouchable when they are two tiers higher.