Historic Scenarios?

[Ebusus]

Was thinking about this yesterday. I believe it would be a great addition to the game if, like at WoT, you could also choose to play historic scenarios where the ships for each side would be hard coded and the land-sea masses to look more or less like the historic setting.

 

Like, lets play Jutland, Dogger bank, Falkland Islands World War I (Once the Brit and German tech tree comes in)

 

WW2: Leyte Gulf, Savo Island, Second Guadalcanal, Empress Augusta Bay

 

And some sort of big map Carrier Orgies like Midway, Santa Cruz, etc...

 

Still ways to go in the development of this game, but one can but dream, no?

[Historynerd]

"More or less"...

 

Don't get me wrong, I'd sure like something like that, but the bigger battles may be a problem... not only there were lots of capital ships, but there were lots of lots of cruisers and destroyers...

 

But if they can find a way to make it work, I'll sure be glad!

[Stache64]

Wel WWI was the TRUE age of the dreadnought (no aircraft carriers) and if we can implement some of those epic battles (dogger bank, Jutland, ect.......) i'd be more then happy! 

[Mr_Sukebe]

Personally I'm all for that, but I'm very conscious on how they didn't really work in WOT.

Also, do bear in mind that some of those engagements were nothing like "equal".  e.g. the battle of the Falklands was very much a one sided fight.

 

If you were to do it, a few thoughts that spring to mind would be:

 - NOT to allow a player to chose his vehicle, then go into battle.  Apparently the WOT issue was that too many players were only interested in playing the best tanks (what a surprise), meaning that wait times were interminable

 - At the start, have the fleet formation pre-defined, and then let the player chose which ship he'll play (assuming he's got one in port).  That way you oblige a player to try to play a variety of ships in the fleet

 - Have different victory conditions.  e.g. maybe you do have uneven sides, but the victory conditions might still allow the weaker team to win

 - Change the time to play.   A big Jutland engagement would have a LOT of big ships, so consider extending the time to maybe 20-30 mins.  I can't imagine those wanting to play this type of engagement objecting

 

A final thought might be to have a battle creator, e.g. allow a player/team to propose a battle scenario of ships that could be the defined fleet for a battle.  Clearly it would need to be agree with the opposing team, but that should be possible, then allow upload into some dedicated servers.

[Yorkie_GBR]

Wel WWI was the TRUE age of the dreadnought (no aircraft carriers) and if we can implement some of those epic battles (dogger bank, Jutland, ect.......) i'd be more then happy! 

 

HMS Ark Royal saw active service in WW1 

 

Secondly since Radar range finding is not implemented and will not be implemented you are not going to get the historical naval engagements, but just a watered down scenario instead. 

 

Might as well just have nation v nation battles or Axis vs Allies, be good to see Germany not fighting alone and actually having the Italian Navy propping them up for a change. 

[Ebusus]

Well, of course its not about redoing the whole of one of those massive fleet engagements, just part of them.

Then of course, being a game meant to be able to be won by both sides, some balancing would have to take place.

The idea would be more to give you a "feel" for the battle being recreated. Like, per example Second Guadalcanal happened at night and the USN made use of Radar in order to hit the Kongo Class Japanese BB. This is not something we can recreate at this time. Perhaps, low visibility and give the Japanese side some advantage in viewing range (They had excellent optics and trained personel for that) against the two US Battleships they went up against?

 

This actually brings up and opens a whole new can of worms...Nightime battles...

 

Would it not be cool if these could be implemented in some clever way? Surface Radar device of some sort...Searchlights you could focus on some located enemy, once focused the lights would automatically focus on the ranged enemy until you turn them off or your lights get destroyed...He gets lid up for the fleet to pund but you will also be seen?

 

So many possibilities

[Historynerd]

HMS Ark Royal saw active service in WW1 

 

While it is true that the first seaplane tenders and the first "aircraft carriers" did have a role in WWI, their role was far too secondary to be taken into serious consideration, I think.

[Yorkie_GBR]

 

While it is true that the first seaplane tenders and the first "aircraft carriers" did have a role in WWI, their role was far too secondary to be taken into serious consideration, I think.

 

When I mean when I said HMS Ark Royal saw active service I am talking about her planes conducting ASW, attacking 2 Ottoman Ships in the Dardanelles and conducting what would later become CAP's 

 

Minor in the grand scheme of things certainly, but certainly enough to warrant a revision on your comment about there being no aircraft carriers in WW1. 

  

[Historynerd]

 

When I mean when I said HMS Ark Royal saw active service I am talking about her planes conducting ASW, attacking 2 Ottoman Ships in the Dardanelles and conducting what would later become CAP's 

 

Minor in the grand scheme of things certainly, but certainly enough to warrant a revision on your comment about their being no aircraft carriers in WW1. 

  

 

All of these activities, while forerunner of the similar ones conducted in WWII, were severely limited by the characteristics of the aircraft of the time, so their effectiveness was rather small.

 

And I invite you to re-read my comment again; I never claimed that there never were aircraft carriers in WWI, I merely stated that their influence was very small.

[Yorkie_GBR]

And I invite you to re-read my comment again; I never claimed that there never were aircraft carriers in WWI, merely that their influence was very small.

 

 

My apologies, it was Stache64 said that there was no aircraft carriers in ww1.. 

 

[Historynerd]

 

 

My apologies, it was Stache64 said that there was no aircraft carriers in ww1.. 

 

 

No problem.

[chamorro]

Well, not talking about historical scenarios as a proper part in the game;

Back in the alpha I was the one organizing the historical battle events (you still can see the chat rooms in the Teamspeak client), and, as soon as we get training rooms back I will definitelly keep looking for it,

Maybe you guys would be interested in participating?

[mtm78]

I would 

 

[hitmanh]

Hell yeah!

 

[RandomName331]

That would be cool I remember the old Battlestations Midway times^^

[chamorro]

That would be cool I remember the old Battlestations Midway times^^

 

Well, I still enjoy playing BS: Pacific (with mods ofc)

[daki]

Well, not talking about historical scenarios as a proper part in the game;

Back in the alpha I was the one organizing the historical battle events (you still can see the chat rooms in the Teamspeak client), and, as soon as we get training rooms back I will definitelly keep looking for it,

Maybe you guys would be interested in participating?

 

Can't wait for training rooms to be back, count me in

[Armo1000]

Historical battles wont be implemented. The Russians wont be able to join in and WG wont have any of that.

 

However i am sure WG could make up some battles to go with their made up ships. 

[Jadefalken]

You would need separate events though, like missions for the Germans vs Bot British or you would end up like with WoT's with 89999999999 players wanting to play the Bismark for example and only 1 - 0 wanting to play as the Hood or PoW.

 

Maybe have scenarios where German Bismark fan boys and Prinz Eugen could fight AI bot British and another where Fan boys of the Hood or PoW could face a Bot Bismark and Prinz Eugen.

 

I think Wargaming could implement this as we have the Co-op option now already.. a little tweaking and Bob's your uncle.

 

Plus then I can have my Belfast vs Scharnhorst 

[Historynerd]

Plus then I can have my Belfast vs Scharnhorst 

 

Well, I hope you don't think of going against the Scharnhorst alone... as good as HMS Belfast was, I'm quite convinced she can't take her on her own... 

[Boomer7]

Since the PVE proves that they can program quite good bots, why not add some single player historic scenarios.

 

Then you would not run into the typical problem you have in a multiplayer scenario that the sides should be equal (to keep the bitching to a minimum).

There were quite a few engagements with only a handful of ships which could be quite easily implemented.

Doing it singleplayer would also solve the issue of creating a balanced map for it, as you know what you are in for when you start it.

 

[Jadefalken]

 

Well, I hope you don't think of going against the Scharnhorst alone... as good as HMS Belfast was, I'm quite convinced she can't take her on her own... 

 

 H*ll no! I would be a man made reef in a minute.

 

But there was 3 cruisers, Belfast, Norfolk and Sheffield with a little Battleship (#1) (With Destroyer Escort and Cruiser) for company  seems a fair fight. 

 

#1 - Edit kindly by Armo1000 it in fact was HMS Duke of York not the Iron Duke. Thanks for the Correction.

[Armo1000]

 

 with a little Battleship Iron Duke 

It was HMS Duke of York (the King George V class) not iron duke which was a WW1 era battleship.

[Jadefalken]

It was HMS Duke of York (the King George V class) not iron duke which was a WW1 era battleship.

 

So it was good man... All I remember was it was a Duke of some kind! Thanks for the correction +1

 

Should have looked it up online as the old CPU in my head is not what is once was 

[Historynerd]

 

 H*ll no! I would be a man made reef in a minute.

 

But there was 3 cruisers, Belfast, Norfolk and Sheffield with a little Battleship Iron Duke (With Destroyer Escort and Cruiser) for company  seems a fair fight. 

 

Fair, if someone is looking forward at learning how to swim...