mil71 Beta Tester 202 posts Report post #1 Posted November 3, 2019 Being spammed by HE to death by skill less Smolensk or being AP'ed to death by something like a Neptune/Minotaur? Both targets being in smoke so you cant fire back. 1 7 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UTW] ShinGetsu Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 8,985 posts 7,359 battles Report post #2 Posted November 3, 2019 Actually talking as if Mino/Neptune was dangerous for a BB. Lol. And you can fire back. Smoke isn't an impenetrable wall. Check were are the shots coming from and fire a salvo there. 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #3 Posted November 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, mil71 said: Being spammed by HE to death by skill less Smolensk or being AP'ed to death by something like a Neptune/Minotaur? Both targets being in smoke so you cant fire back. But you can... Worse is getting citadeled by a BB you did not see over half the map. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mil71 Beta Tester 202 posts Report post #4 Posted November 3, 2019 Except none of you answered the question. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #5 Posted November 3, 2019 26 minutes ago, mil71 said: Both targets being in smoke so you cant fire back. Smoke makes you INVINCIBLE!!! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #6 Posted November 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, mil71 said: Except none of you answered the question. Your question included mistakes... Cannot answer faulty questions. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SYD] Molly_Delaney Players 1,200 posts 4,600 battles Report post #7 Posted November 3, 2019 Sailing in a straight line parallel to the Akizuki which has just torpedoed you whilst it burns you to the waterline with HE? Or have I missed the point of the question? 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HEROZ] GulvkluderGuld Players 3,467 posts 22,114 battles Report post #8 Posted November 3, 2019 56 minutes ago, mil71 said: Being spammed by HE to death by skill less Smolensk or being AP'ed to death by something like a Neptune/Minotaur? Both targets being in smoke so you cant fire back. error 404 no death found. Smolensk can be annoying with 19 km range. At that range, he can't kill you. Mino can't kill a BB with sAP so you need to F*** up massively and eat his torps. Also both can be citadeled in smoke. Recommend wasd.exe and fixing error between computer and chair (but if i had to pick my poison, Smolensk is worse). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[L4GG] Butterdoll Players 3,470 posts 11,414 battles Report post #9 Posted November 3, 2019 56 minutes ago, mil71 said: Being spammed by HE to death by skill less Smolensk or being AP'ed to death by something like a Neptune/Minotaur? Both targets being in smoke so you cant fire back. non of the above. Planes. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[INTRO] Hanse77SWE Players 1,518 posts 28,995 battles Report post #10 Posted November 3, 2019 None of the above. Both problems has a solution as does every other "problem" in the game. Act accordingly. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #11 Posted November 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said: Mino can't kill a BB with sAP so you need to F*** up massively and eat his torps. 35 secs and 100k damage later = dead kremlin Had to torp the Stalin behind me, so had only 3 torps for Kremlin 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #12 Posted November 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said: Smolensk can be annoying with 19 km range. At that range, he can't kill you. You underestimate the ineptitude of an average BB driver nowadays, they are perfectly capable of sitting still or crawling around until they pick up 3 or 4 permafires and then burn to death, i burned several kurfursts of late, maybe not @ 19km do the dot but close enough, some even in CW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Egoleter ∞ Players 4,046 posts Report post #13 Posted November 3, 2019 3 hours ago, mil71 said: Being spammed by HE to death by skill less Smolensk or being AP'ed to death by something like a Neptune/Minotaur? Both targets being in smoke so you cant fire back. Learn2Play issue. Firing into smoke and hitting the ship that is hiding inside isn't some kind of magic trick. Anyone can learn that to some degree. Plenty of tutorials for that are available on Youtube and if you had asked nicely on how to defend yourself against such tactics I might have provided some hints myself. Your question is one born from your own failures and doesn't deserve an answer. This seems to be a recurring event with your threads. You blame anyone and everything for your own shortcomings. 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[S-O-M] MadBadDave Players 1,355 posts Report post #14 Posted November 3, 2019 ????! Aim slightly below the centre of the outgoing shots Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mil71 Beta Tester 202 posts Report post #15 Posted November 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Egoleter said: Learn2Play issue. Firing into smoke and hitting the ship that is hiding inside isn't some kind of magic trick. Anyone can learn that to some degree. Plenty of turorials for that are available on Youtube and if you had asked nicely on how to defend yourself against such tactics I might have provided some hints myself. Your question is one born from your own failures and doesn't deserve an answer. This seems to be a recurring event with your threads. You blame anyone and everything for your own shortcomings. Seems like you're toxic and don't even deserve an ability to post on a forum. This was a question of what is worse. 1 4 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AAO] rnat Players 1,597 posts 21,919 battles Report post #16 Posted November 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, mil71 said: This was a question of what is worse. Since you insist on the answer in the Smol-bote is a more annoying opponent in general (i guess most ppl here would agree) as it's harder to fully negate the dmg, but since you specify it's a skill-less Smolensk burning you down v. dying to Nep/Mino AP both are equally bad imo since it usually means you as the BB f*cked up badly in the first place. (either that or you're almost dead from trying to carry a garbage team, but somehow i doubt that's the premise of your question) Also have you ever heard about framing and the abuse thereof ? If not may I ask when you stopped beating up your wife ? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #17 Posted November 3, 2019 A skillless Smolenks cannot hit you, unless you are immobile for minutes. Therefore the UK CL will do worse scratches on your battleships paint. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Egoleter ∞ Players 4,046 posts Report post #18 Posted November 3, 2019 44 minutes ago, mil71 said: Seems like you're toxic and don't even deserve an ability to post on a forum. This was a question of what is worse. And again you blame someone for your own failures. To hide and deflect it this time you chose to insult someone. There is no better or worse as the situation you described doesn't exist. Your question depends on the premise that you can't fight back, which is false. As you can fight back your question implodes in itself and can not be answered. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #19 Posted November 3, 2019 Both are annoying to deal with, i would say smolensk because of fires and potential 19km range and maybe even IFHE meaning you can't angle against the shells. They become even more of an issue when you can't turn because there are some angreh bb's nearby (although that would be your own fault in terms of positioning but then it also depends if you need to push there to stall them or whatever.) Ships like monarch, georgia and jean bart don't handle such ships well so running away and kiting is a must (if you can't kill them for whatever reason). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] howardxu_23 Players 793 posts 2,080 battles Report post #20 Posted November 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, CptBarney said: Both are annoying to deal with, i would say smolensk because of fires and potential 19km range and maybe even IFHE meaning you can't angle against the shells. They become even more of an issue when you can't turn because there are some angreh bb's nearby (although that would be your own fault in terms of positioning but then it also depends if you need to push there to stall them or whatever.) Ships like monarch, georgia and jean bart don't handle such ships well so running away and kiting is a must (if you can't kill them for whatever reason). technically, smolesk with IFHE only has 27mm pen, so you take no damage to the hull. to the superstructure however and the fires, thats a different story. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] aboomination Players 5,763 posts 16,940 battles Report post #21 Posted November 3, 2019 bingo 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R7S] lovelacebeer Players 4,158 posts 25,226 battles Report post #22 Posted November 3, 2019 A good Smolensk player that can aim well keep you on fire and dodge return fire is more annoying, but honestly I don't really find either option to be all that bad as there is effective counter play available to deal with surface ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #23 Posted November 3, 2019 1 minute ago, howardxu_23 said: technically, smolesk with IFHE only has 27mm pen, so you take no damage to the hull. to the superstructure however and the fires, thats a different story. Ahh ok, im not familiar with IFHE at all, since i still don't have it some other needed light cruisers yet. But yeah superstructure and fires was something i was mainly pointing out. I play mostly mobile and fast BB's and prefer them to the more tanky ones as they have more flexibility and can get out of situations better, they also tend to have better stealth. Plus they kinda play like chunky cruisers too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #24 Posted November 3, 2019 I dont even bother with IFHE on small, max fire build, open a beer and start the BBQ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UTW] ShinGetsu Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 8,985 posts 7,359 battles Report post #25 Posted November 3, 2019 3 hours ago, DFens_666 said: 35 secs and 100k damage later = dead kremlin Had to torp the Stalin behind me, so had only 3 torps for Kremlin Kléber is amazing at this kind of yolo btw. I love it for this reason. It's always fun to do. Though yesterday in CB I got trolled hard by my second target. I killed their Yamato, went for the last GK and he managed to kill me with 9 hit out of 12 cannon, and I was bow-on. :( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites