Yorck - German VII tier ultimate floating disaster

[Keijo_Kalmakoura]

On 12/30/2019 at 4:07 AM, Whistlersmom said:

You really cant judge the ship in coop battles. Those bots are about 5 times better than the average potato you will face in randoms :)

You mean those potatoes that lob stuff in your direction half of the battle until you get annoyed and say hello once and they are inch from davy jones locker?

[hellbolt]

Not a bad ship if played properly - however - that armor should be slightly improved - especially frontal one.

 

Would be nice preparation phase for Hipper at T8 which has 27 mm general and lower plate at 40 mm. At T7 german CA front should have 25 mm and lower front plate around 30 mm. Otherwise it gets penned from every direction even at the same tier.

[The_Pillager]

Really not a bad idea, that 25 mm front ...

 

At first I dismissed the idea, because ... well does not fit into the system. T7 cruisers do have 19 mm at best.

On a second thought I started to like that. The well armored front always was a trademark of the german cruisers and the aequivalent to the T8+ fronts would be a 25 mm front for the Yorck.

 

To be fair, we would have to fit this 25 mm front to the New Orleans too. US Cruisers always had the same armor at front as the germans.

 

I kind of like that idea 

[Walther_K_Nehring]

In general I would say it is one of (if not) the best T7 CA ingame.

 

She can tank damage if angled carefully, something you can´t do in the Myoko. Her AP is the best German Cruiser AP so far. And you can even bring her HE to work, if you aim properly. I tend to use both firechance signals to gain some DoT in this ship. But the big points are doen with proper positioning and punishing enemy ships with AP or maybe some torpedohits.

 

I finished her regrind (via this research centre thing) at Sunday (last time I played her was pre-buff) und I have to say she made fun in every single game. I could even carry some T9 games, something you can´t do with most of T7 cruisers if downtiered (yes, I look especially to you Mrs Boise/Nueve and Signiora Gorizia).

[GulvkluderGuld]

2 hours ago, Walther_K_Nehring said:

In general I would say it is one of (if not) the best T7 CA ingame.

Fiji, Belfast, Flint would like a word with you. Also probably new RN CAs.

Also even Helena and Shchors (unpopular opinion, but it is an incredible BB burner) carry a T9 battles better.

(unless you really mean CA, not CL, in which case you're basically only comparing to Myoko and Algerie)

 

Then again i love my Hipper for the same reasons you love Yorck. Yorck just put me off, but i cant remember if it was the difference between HE an AP shells, bad turret traverse or bad maneuverability i hated. 

 

If only WG would fix the difference in HE and AP shell velocity....

 

 

 

[The_Pillager]

11 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

 

If only WG would fix the difference in HE and AP shell velocity....

 

 

 

Well then, you obviously missed the buff Yorck received some time ago 

Yorcks ammo now has 900 m/s for both AP and HE, which feels ways better than before.

The guns definitely feel more like Hipper than before.

It even has the better HE than Hipper/Roon/Hindi, because of the higher caliber ... not that this matters a lot in reality. The difference is small, but its there.

 

You are right with your points otherwise. 

Belfast and Flint are just specials, nothing you can compare in a direct line.

 

Personally i love my T7 cruisers, its such a nice spot within the MM to  play.

If i had to rank theT7 silver cruisers,  my pick would be Fiji and Schors first, but my Yorck comes third 

 

[GulvkluderGuld]

23 minutes ago, The_Pillager said:

Well then, you obviously missed the buff Yorck received some time ago 

OMG...

I dont pay so much attention to what goes on below tier 8, but still 

 

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Personally i love my T7 cruisers, its such a nice spot within the MM to  play.

If i had to rank theT7 silver cruisers,  my pick would be Fiji and Schors first, but my Yorck comes third 

I mostly use them for operation Narai, can't say i enjoy playing cruisers without a heal in randoms.

 

I prefer just about anything to the old Yorck, the exception being the new Pasta cruisers which makes anything else look mighty good, as T6 and T7 are T5 ships with delusions of grandeur 

 

 

 

[Walther_K_Nehring]

24 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

Fiji, Belfast, Flint would like a word with you. Also probably new RN CAs.

Also even Helena and Shchors (unpopular opinion, but it is an incredible BB burner) carry a T9 battles better.

(unless you really mean CA, not CL, in which case you're basically only comparing to Myoko and Algerie)

 

Then again i love my Hipper for the same reasons you love Yorck. Yorck just put me off, but i cant remember if it was the difference between HE an AP shells, bad turret traverse or bad maneuverability i hated. 

 

If only WG would fix the difference in HE and AP shell velocity....

 

 

 

 

I meant CA. And you have to compare with Myoko, Algerie, Gorizia, Zara, new T7 RN CA (if this thing really is a step foward to tier 6, it might could be better than Yorck), New Orleans, Indianapolis- and taking all these into account only Myoko has the potential to challenge Yorck (although I have to admit I din´t play T7 New Orleans and evaluate Zara´s potential by comparing Trento and Gorizia).

 

And don´t get me wrong- a CL is a total different story to play. Imo by far easier than a CA.

[The_Pillager]

Well, i did not enjoy the hightier PizzaPastas either, to be honest ...

You can have some godd damagenumbers, but you rely entirely on the team. If it falters, you are screwed.

 

BTT:

my position is different. I dislike the hightier playstyle, have my TX ships mostly just for "having-them-purposes"

I play the weirder ones for the fun of it or prefer the T9 Premiums/Freemiums for the creditmaking

 

But otherwise i find T6-T8 much more interesting to play.

[GulvkluderGuld]

1 hour ago, Walther_K_Nehring said:

I meant CA. 

It triggered me that you called Yorck the best CA since you compared it's carry potential it to CLs.

CLs carry better imo.

 

4 hours ago, Walther_K_Nehring said:

(yes, I look especially to you Mrs Boise/Nueve and Signiora Gorizia).

Even if Yorck is the best T7 CA, at best that makes it is a below average T7 cruiser.

The ship has been buffed since i played it, but back then Myoko was better and Indianapolis probably too because of radar and having the best AP of its tier (more MM dependent). T5 - T7 Pasta cruisers are trash as you expected (i played them all up to Amalfi).

 

 

[The_Pillager]

14 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

 

 

Even if Yorck is the best T7 CA, at best that makes it is a below average T7 cruiser.

The ship has been buffed since i played it, but back then Myoko was better and Indianapolis probably too because of radar and having the best AP of its tier (more MM dependent). T5 - T7 Pasta cruisers are trash as you expected (i played them all up to Amalfi).

 

 

Well, the quality of a ship is a very individual thing, i would say ...

Time passed by and ships have changed a lot. We do have a great variety of ships and different specifications at T7 cruisers (CA + CL). A lot more than years ago.

 

- Myoko certainly is a solid ship, still. But the gunrange, the weak aa and the not-so-good camo does not put it top of the list for me anymore.

- Indianapolis ... always was a solid ship and the radar gimmick has its moments, but honestly: the radar only gets you killed too fast. The best thing with Indy is the extraordinary range of 16.9 km (for a US cruiser) and Indy has good camo meanwhile (10,8 ?). Better than Myoko for example.

The newer nations:

- Schors is the pure one and only longrange HE spammer. Extremly accurate at range, but a super squishy ship. Pretty balanced and a solid performer if you like that playstyle. In a Schors i am never afraid of a T9 battle, i burn them all 

- Algerie is a serious contender for the position of the best T7 allround cruiser. Great range, good guns, okish torpedoes, excellent speed and 2 booster consumables. She just cant take any beating ... my experience.

- Zara was not my ship, sorry, not at all. I got along with Gorizia nicely, you just have to accept these SAP as they are.

- Fiji ... is special. No HE, not very fast, no armor. You have to play very clever with a lot of mapawareness. One mispositioning and you get blapped out of existence. But if you get it working, the ship is a blast.

 

Last not least the Yorck ... if you look at all these contenders, Yorck is a solid choice. Pretty tough (when properly angeled), nowhere the best of the pack, but nowhere last of the list.

A Jack-of-all-trades with all positive and negative aspects.

For me always a choice when i look for a T7 cruiser 

 

 

 

[Walther_K_Nehring]

49 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

CLs carry better imo.

 

what I wrote:

 

1 hour ago, Walther_K_Nehring said:

And don´t get me wrong- a CL is a total different story to play. Imo by far easier than a CA

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50 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

Even if Yorck is the best T7 CA, at best that makes it is a below average T7 cruiser.

The ship has been buffed since i played it, but back then Myoko was better and Indianapolis probably too because of radar and having the best AP of its tier (more MM dependent). T5 - T7 Pasta cruisers are trash as you expected (i played them all up to Amalfi).

 

Well, no- not all. Fiji, Belfast, Flint yes. Schors and Abruzzi maybe. The rest I doubt, especially the US CL line, although outstanding firepower, it is hard to bring them to work in T9. I guess, because they handle more like CA with 6" guns.

 

7 minutes ago, The_Pillager said:

- Myoko certainly is a solid ship, still. But the gunrange, the weak aa and the not-so-good camo does not put it top of the list for me anymore.

 

IMO it is the opposite- the HE-burst/alpha is brutal! You still can deal 8k/9k HE damage to DDs and in addition 2-3 criticals (a thing only 15 shells CL or the SAP-dudes are capapble of reproducing). The AP is good, but nothing special. If you can position her in a save spot to support your DDs and later on kite away from enemy ships, you can deal 80-100k damage with ease. At 12-13Km you hit properly with about 5k each salvoe (maybe not at Russian BBs). Each other nations CA have problems to have such results.

And the Myoko still fits perfectly in the current state of the meta- high HE-alpha and DoT against bow in campers or kiting away enemies into save positions. And I guess it will be the RN CAs that will contest Myoko´s rank, because they seem to have similar potent HE- my feelings from Devonshire say to me, with a slightly higher fire chance (about each 2nd or 3rd salvoe means a fire).

 

Maybe I am a little bit of a Myoko fan boy, because I think, I can handle the ship quiet good, even after long breaks of playing it (XMAS to XMAS to gain snow flakes^^). But in general, I guess, my opinion could be realtively correct.

 

But the Yorck (and this threat is about her^^) handles in a similar way, with the big advantage, she is capable of tanking 14" shells and can push some of the T6 and T7 BBs and any cruiser in the game!

 

And when driving the SAP-dudes teaches you something, than it is to try to aim properly for lightly armoured parts of enemy ships. And this helps me with Yorck´s HE.

[GulvkluderGuld]

17 minutes ago, The_Pillager said:

Well, the quality of a ship is a very individual thing, i would say ...

There's statistics and then there's comfort.

I'm not the best with maplesyrup, but sorted by win% last week, yorck still doesn't look too good:

 

17 minutes ago, The_Pillager said:

- Myoko certainly is a solid ship, still. But the gunrange, the weak aa and the not-so-good camo does not put it top of the list for me anymore.

- Indianapolis ... always was a solid ship and the radar gimmick has its moments, but honestly: the radar only gets you killed too fast. The best thing with Indy is the extraordinary range of 16.9 km (for a US cruiser) and Indy has good camo meanwhile (10,8 ?). Better than Myoko for example.

The newer nations:

- Schors is the pure one and only longrange HE spammer. Extremly accurate at range, but a super squishy ship. Pretty balanced and a solid performer if you like that playstyle. In a Schors i am never afraid of a T9 battle, i burn them all 

- Algerie is a serious contender for the position of the best T7 allround cruiser. Great range, good guns, okish torpedoes, excellent speed and 2 booster consumables. She just cant take any beating ... my experience.

- Zara was not my ship, sorry, not at all. I got along with Gorizia nicely, you just have to accept these SAP as they are.

- Fiji ... is special. No HE, not very fast, no armor. You have to play very clever with a lot of mapawareness. One mispositioning and you get blapped out of existence. But if you get it working, the ship is a blast.

 

Last not least the Yorck ... if you look at all these contenders, Yorck is a solid choice. Pretty tough (when properly angeled), nowhere the best of the pack, but nowhere last of the list.

A Jack-of-all-trades with all positive and negative aspects.

For me always a choice when i look for a T7 cruiser 

All cruisers get blapped if mispositioned.

Fiji being particularly squishy is a bit of a myth apart from the bow plating. Raised citadel is only in RN cruisers from T8 and up. It's very nimble and can actually kite in the open like other CLs/CAs if you dont get crossfired.

Myoko: IJN CAs were the last line i finished (quite recently), and I like Myoko and Mogami with 203s a lot. They are better than Yorck for carrying games due to accuracy, (especially HE vs DDs) alphastrike and firestarting potential. Plus good torpedoes. Definitely my first choice for T7 CAs.

Indianapolis: it's a pensacola with better concealment and radar. First noobie mistake is overextending to radar. Once fixed and played like an ambush predator it can do decently, and the range helps with BBs and being uptiered. Squishy.

Schors: we are in agreement 

Algerie: Same playstyle as Schors with less damage. I find it too squishy, maybe the highlights at T6 and T8 just makes it feel meh. 

 

Yorck: Excels with torps if it can get to brawling distance but turret traverse cannot keep up. Low HE dpm. Mostly its forced to play long-range HE slinger and there are better choices for that role. One of those ships you either hate or love, there is no in between. For me it's hate

 

[The_Pillager]

The interesting part with the stats above is: the first 6 or 7 entries are all premium ships. 

The ARP ships must have older/more experienced players, because ARP is gone for quite a while.

 

So the leader of the pack of silver ships is Fiji (nor surprising) leading Helena (very nasty HEspammer) and Myoko (i m surprised actually ...)

Good  damagedealer is Schors.

 

Yorcks limps behind, indeed

[GulvkluderGuld]

37 minutes ago, The_Pillager said:

The interesting part with the stats above is: the first 6 or 7 entries are all premium ships. 

The ARP ships must have older/more experienced players, because ARP is gone for quite a while.

The real kicker is actually the low amount of battles.

Ships jump a bit around from week to week, but indeed it is usually 5 premiums followed by Myoko, Helena and Fiji in some order or another, then Shchors and Yorck in the tail end with Surrey and Nope Orleans. Indianapolis is all over the place.

 

Two more weeks from december

[ColonelPete]

That is the reason I prefer the two-months stats.

Battle numbers are bigger and the numbers more stable.

[Swims_at_Night]

I fined Yorck to be a very strong cruiser. Actually all german cruisers from T5 preform good if you can play to their streights and dont show broadside (as all cruisers). They are good firestarters if build for that.