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Interesting are the proposals for a North European and South European Destroyer Line within the European Tree. The problem would arise with cruisers, and even more so with battleships, where those two lines would be mixed into one.

I saw a proposal for two lines of destroyers, but not like the North European and the South European, but a gun line and torpedo line, and lastly (at tier 9 and 10) they would merge into one.

Based on that, I made a sketch:

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But in this sketch is also Turkish and Portugal destroyers.

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8 minutes ago, Andrejevic_ said:

Interesting are the proposals for a North European and South European Destroyer Line within the European Tree. The problem would arise with cruisers, and even more so with battleships, where those two lines would be mixed into one.

 

You don't need to reunite European cruiser lines. There's just enough material to make a regular Mediterranean cruiser branch, and a light-cruiser branch for northern Europe.

As for DDs, you have material to go even beyond 2 lines, both geographically or in terms of gameplay.

 

Battleships are the real issue since you can't even complete a single line.

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2 minutes ago, LastButterfly said:

 

You don't need to reunite European cruiser lines. There's just enough material to make a regular Mediterranean cruiser branch, and a light-cruiser branch for northern Europe.

As for DDs, you have material to go even beyond 2 lines, both geographically or in terms of gameplay.

 

Battleships are the real issue since you can't even complete a single line.

 

Only the major players would have developed and operated battleships post WW1. There would have still been some of those older battleships in service in various regional navies around the world, but it's doubtful any of these would make it past tier 5.

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Thank you. I haven't researched cruisers, so I don't know best.

For battleships, maybe Dutch Project 1047 be the highest tier for battleships, maybe tier 7 (like Scharnhorst). For other high tiers (8, 9 and 10) I haven't any informations.

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There is definitely at least one Tier I-X Cruiser line to do after the British Heavy Cruisers (Pan-American) but the rest is Destroyers, CVs, Submarines, and one-off Premiums. 

 

But I like Destroyers, so the more the merrier. And there are plenty of them to come.

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21 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

There is definitely at least one Tier I-X Cruiser line to do after the British Heavy Cruisers (Pan-American) but the rest is Destroyers, CVs, Submarines, and one-off Premiums. 

 

But I like Destroyers, so the more the merrier. And there are plenty of them to come.

 

Several navies have also had 'frigates'. While there is no such class in WoWS, maybe some of those could be balanced as either destroyers or light cruisers in the game.

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7 hours ago, Andrejevic_ said:

For battleships, maybe Dutch Project 1047 be the highest tier for battleships, maybe tier 7 (like Scharnhorst).

 

The Spanish have a copy of Littorio with 90mm swapped for 120mm guns. That's, as far as I know, the only non-major nation battleship design that could make it to tier VIII.

 

7 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Only the major players would have developed and operated battleships post WW1. There would have still been some of those older battleships in service in various regional navies around the world, but it's doubtful any of these would make it past tier 5.

 

It goes beyond "battleships in service" not making it to high tier for minor nations. There are hardly anyBB designs at all for the minor nations' higher tiers. BB branches outside of JP/US/UK/FR/IT/GE/RU would have to be at least a third made up, and realistically, half made-up (tier 7 to X I guess).

 

7 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

There is definitely at least one Tier I-X Cruiser line to do after the British Heavy Cruisers (Pan-American) but the rest is Destroyers, CVs, Submarines, and one-off Premiums. 

 

Pan-American, as in, Latin&South American nations ? I'm not sure how. I mean, yes, you can make something but it'd be the most dubious line I've ever seen and you lack high-tiers as far as I know. Latin America can work up a pretty good DD branch however, but beyond Europe, cruisers branch get really weird and mostly incomplete.

 

6 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Several navies have also had 'frigates'. While there is no such class in WoWS, maybe some of those could be balanced as either destroyers or light cruisers in the game.

 

That'd be complicated for most of them since many were slow af and had much lower offensive power than larger combat vessels. Some late-war frigates may be able to fit as low-tiers DDs but I wouldn't count on that being a rule, more like an exception - and one that doesn't look very nice at that, having an ultra-modern late 40s vessel amongst WWI era ones. Escort DDs have the same issue but at least they're usually a bit larger and more capable.

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3 hours ago, LastButterfly said:

Pan-American, as in, Latin&South American nations ? I'm not sure how. I mean, yes, you can make something but it'd be the most dubious line I've ever seen and you lack high-tiers as far as I know. Latin America can work up a pretty good DD branch however, but beyond Europe, cruisers branch get really weird and mostly incomplete.

Definitely. The lazy route is to use all the cruisers sold to Latin American nations after WW2 and later, but there are also numerous British CA and CL original designs offered to Argentina and Venezuela in the 1950s and 1960s which would work. 

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1 minute ago, invicta2012 said:

Definitely. The lazy route is to use all the cruisers sold to Latin American nations after WW2 and later, but there are also numerous British CA and CL original designs offered to Argentina and Venezuela in the 1950s and 1960s which would work. 

 

I would be glad if you could name these designs, I would be learning something.

The cruisers sold to Latin America won't get you far, you'll mostly find a bunch of Brooklyns, and Kijkduin. As for designs, I know of a bunch of british ones offered to pretty much every single south-american nations during the 30s, that were mostly variations around the County design, but post-war, I must admit I can't quote many.

I know for a fact the 1950 order with which came the Nueva Esparta class destroyers also included a concept of 8kt cruiser derived from the Tiger class, but that's about all I can think of and it's pretty vague. Besides, this on in particular remains a fairly small light cruiser that would not necessarly be at its advantage in the higher tiers.

 

I'm eager to learn about the British proposals to SA nations for end-war and post-war cruisers, so please share your sources, that'd prove quite useful to improve what's so far one of the worst branch of my personal trees due to sheer lack of content.

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Norman Friedman's book on British cruisers has plans for various Export designs. Vickers 1124 and 1124a are the key ones :  light cruisers very similar to the Town and Crown Colony classes, but there is also a follow on design from the 1950s which is a variation on the Neptune class. There are also a range of other designs, several of which derive from the Dido class, and others from the Canarias class CAs.

 

If you're wondering about a Tier X then the Peruvian cruisers of the Dutch De Zeven Provincien class look most likely, especially as it now seems OK to have 1950s ships and kit in the game. 

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42 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

If you're wondering about a Tier X then the Peruvian cruisers of the Dutch De Zeven Provincien class look most likely, especially as it now seems OK to have 1950s ships and kit in the game. 

 

No chance that De Zeven would be T10. 4x2 6inch guns, no torps or anything else. Armour is on par with Smolensk so it would be both bad and good, HP would be similar to Colbert. Speed is average, if not little slow for T10. Even with insane RoF (yaaaaaay another rapid fire HE spammer) somehow it doesn't feel as T10 ship. WG will probably use some made up proposal for T10.

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50 minutes ago, LastButterfly said:

 

I would be glad if you could name these designs, I would be learning something.

The cruisers sold to Latin America won't get you far, you'll mostly find a bunch of Brooklyns, and Kijkduin. As for designs, I know of a bunch of british ones offered to pretty much every single south-american nations during the 30s, that were mostly variations around the County design, but post-war, I must admit I can't quote many.

I know for a fact the 1950 order with which came the Nueva Esparta class destroyers also included a concept of 8kt cruiser derived from the Tiger class, but that's about all I can think of and it's pretty vague. Besides, this on in particular remains a fairly small light cruiser that would not necessarly be at its advantage in the higher tiers.

 

I'm eager to learn about the British proposals to SA nations for end-war and post-war cruisers, so please share your sources, that'd prove quite useful to improve what's so far one of the worst branch of my personal trees due to sheer lack of content.

 

Sorry for bad scans but some of design proposal for Venezuela are shown on images bellow

 

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All these cruiser were planed with QF Mark N5 guns, same as we have on Neptune.

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32 minutes ago, fumtu said:

Sorry for bad scans but some of design proposal for Venezuela are shown on images bellow

 

Why, thank you.
If I'm not mistaken, the scans are from Friedman's "British Cruisers" right ?  I think I had already seen the last one along with drawings of later missile cruisers that the British drew for Venezuela aswell (though I never paid attention that it was for Venezuela, hence my initial attitude towards a SA cruiser branch), posted by our lord and savior Tzoli somewhere on the internet. There might be more material than I initially thought so maybe a branch can be made complete ; now, making it coherent would still be a challenge. It would feel weird to have heavy cruisers in middle tiers surrounded by lights in low and high tiers so I guess it'd be a full CL branch, similarly to what's more likely for Northern Europe.

 

As I write that I have found the post of Tzoli I mentionned just above, which happens to contain another cruiser for Venezuela supposedly to be (at least temporarly) armed with old 203mm guns. Not sure what could be done with that oddball tho. Either way, thanks again for the scans.

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4 minutes ago, LastButterfly said:

If I'm not mistaken, the scans are from Friedman's "British Cruisers" right ?  I think I had already seen the last one along with drawings of later missile cruisers that the British drew for Venezuela aswell (though I never paid attention that it was for Venezuela, hence my initial attitude towards a SA cruiser branch), posted by our lord and savior Tzoli somewhere on the internet.

 

Yes it is from Friedman's "British Cruisers".

 

4 minutes ago, LastButterfly said:

There might be more material than I initially thought so maybe a branch can be made complete ; now, making it coherent would still be a challenge. It would feel weird to have heavy cruisers in middle tiers surrounded by lights in low and high tiers so I guess it'd be a full CL branch, similarly to what's more likely for Northern Europe.

 

There is not a single heavy cruiser in the line, at least not a single that was built.

 

4 minutes ago, LastButterfly said:

As I write that I have found the post of Tzoli I mentionned just above, which happens to contain another cruiser for Venezuela supposedly to be (at least temporarly) armed with old 203mm guns. Not sure what could be done with that oddball tho. 

 

Yes there was a project of 3x2 203mm cruiser which could be used as premium.

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19 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

Yes it is from Friedman's "British Cruisers".

 

 

There is not a single heavy cruiser in the line, at least not a single that was built.

 

 

Yes there was a project of 3x2 203mm cruiser which could be used as premium.

 

Well, thanks for the precisions. I haven't updated my trees in about a year, it might be a good enough reason for me to start a long-needed update - and discovering designs that I did not previously know is always a joy no matter what. I'll be glad to compare this branch (since you're saying "there isn't a single heavy cruiser in the line" I assume you have a fanmade branch of your own somewhere) or anything else - though we might want to take it to PM as we're straying off topic. Yugoslvia ain't anywhere near south-america after all ^^.
Either way, thankyou~

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Very interesting. I forgot the Spanish Littorio. They are interesting suggestions for SA cruisers.


Here's something I forgot to mention at the beginning of the topic.

 

Ranks and insignia of the Royal Yugoslav Navy

 

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This is models for uniforms:

1. Lower officer's uniform 

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2. Senior officer's uniform

-Senior officers with stern's Škoda 140mm guns on destroyer Dubrovnik

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- Man on the right is капетан бојног брода/kapetan bojnog broda (literal translation is Captain of the battleship, correct translation is Captain); (the color is too bright)

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3. Admiral's uniform

-King Alexander I in admiral uniform:                                            

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-King Alexander I on the shipboard of destroyer Dubrovnik 1934: 

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-Admiral Viktor Wickerhauser

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4. Field Marshal's uniform

-Field Marshal Petar Bojović:

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-King Alexander I in Field Marshal uniform

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Here are some photos of the destroyer Dubrovnik

*Royal Yugoslav Navy*

 

-In Bay of Kotor.

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-In Bay of Kotor 1933/34.

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-Dubrovnik under construction in Glasgow.

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-Launching of Dubrovnik in Glasgow in 1931.

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-Final works on the destroyer Dubrovnik, Glasgow 1932.

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-Dubrovnik during the voyage to Yugoslavia 1932.

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-Dubrovnik arrived in Bay of Kotor 1932.

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-Dubrovnik in dock in Yugoslavia.

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-Dubrovnik is sailing to Marseille 1934.

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-King Alexander I on shipboard while voyage to Marseille.

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-King Alexander I and divisional general Alexander Dimitrijević on Dubrovnik during voyage to Marseille.

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-King Alexander I in grand admiral uniform on Dubrovnik in Marseille, October 9th 1934.

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-Dubrovnik departs to Yugoslavia with dead body of king Alexander I after assassination.

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-Dubrovnik arrived in Split 1934, with dead body of H.M. King Alexander I after his assassination in Marseille.

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-Chest with dead body of H.M. King Alexander I near Dubrovnik in Split harbor.

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-Stern of Dubrovnik.

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-Dutch navy officers on Dubrovnik with Škoda 140mm big guns, Netherlands 1935.

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-All crew on the shipboard of Dubrovnik.

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More photos of destroyer Dubrovnik and Beograd-class destroyers tomortow. :Smile_trollface:

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Launching of destroyer Dubrovnik in Glasgow 1931.

 

Full title reads:

Glasgow. Princess Olga of Yugoslavia. Names and launches Flotilla Leader 'Dubrovnik' - most powerful in its class - British Built in Yarrow's famous yard - for Yugoslavian Navy.

 

The video description reads:

Princess Olga stands with other dignitaries on podium at stern of warship. She hits a control with a gavel and a bottle smashes against the ship.

The Dubrovnik begins to slide down the slipway into the water. 

The Princess and others pose for the cameras.
Shots of crowds gathered in the shipyard to watch the launching. 

 

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With Princess Olga is her husband, Prince Paul Karađorđević, a cousin of the King Alexander I (their fathers were brothers - King Peter I the Liberator and Prince Arsen).

 

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Photos of destroyer Dubrovnik - Part II

*Royal Yugoslav Navy*

-Large destroyer Dubrovnik in Bay of Kotor.

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-Kr. Brod (Kraljevski brod - 'Royal Ship') Dubrovnik.

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-Destroyer Dubrovnik arrives in Bay of Kotor 1932.

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-Destroyer Dubrovnik under faster voyage.

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-Dubrovnik voyages in Bay of Kotor.

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-Destroyer Dubrovnik in Tivat harbour 1933.

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-Destroyer Dubrovnik sails into the Dock.

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-Destroyer Dubrovnik and one of Beograd-class destroyers in Tivat Arsenal.

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-Dubrovnik in Bay of Kotor during the April war 1941.

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-Captured destroyer Dubrovnik in Bay of Kotor, April 1941.

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-Captured destroyers Dubrovnik and Beograd in Bay of Kotor, April 1941.

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8 hours ago, Andrejevic_ said:

Launching of destroyer Dubrovnik in Glasgow 1931.

 

Full title reads:

Glasgow. Princess Olga of Yugoslavia. Names and launches Flotilla Leader 'Dubrovnik' - most powerful in its class - British Built in Yarrow's famous yard - for Yugoslavian Navy.

 

The video description reads:

Princess Olga stands with other dignitaries on podium at stern of warship. She hits a control with a gavel and a bottle smashes against the ship.

The Dubrovnik begins to slide down the slipway into the water. 

The Princess and others pose for the cameras.
Shots of crowds gathered in the shipyard to watch the launching. 

 

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With Princess Olga is her husband, Prince Paul Karađorđević, a cousin of the King Alexander I (their fathers were brothers - King Peter I the Liberator and Prince Arsen).

 

Thank you for posting that video link. Love my military history, but due to personal links any clydebuilt ships have an added interest. Keen to know more on the ship now and it's exploits (Which you've covered really well already with the photos previously!)

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7 hours ago, TheAlba2014 said:

Thank you for posting that video link. Love my military history, but due to personal links any clydebuilt ships have an added interest. Keen to know more on the ship now and it's exploits (Which you've covered really well already with the photos previously!)

With the help of a lot of expert literature, I managed to write an article about the destroyer 'Dubrovnik' on Serbian Wikipedia some time ago. There is much more information and photos there than on any other Wikipedia.

https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr-ec/Разарач_Дубровник

I will try to translate and write here something about the history of this wonderful ship. 
And soon I will post photos of other Yugoslav destroyers.

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Dear forumities,

 

First, the topic moved into more appropriate section.

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Photos of destroyer Dubrovnik - Part III

*Royal Yugoslav Navy*

 

-King Alexander I and Minister of Foreign Affairs Bogoljub Jevtić on shipboard of destroyer Dubrovnik in Marseille, October 9th, 1934.

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-Destroyer Dubrovnik in the port of Marseille, October 9th, 1934.

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-Destroyer Dubrovnik after the assassination of the King, before leaving Marseille on October 11th, 1934. You can see the dimensions of the Škoda 140mm guns relative to the human dimensions.

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-Queen Marie of Yugoslavia (in black) and French President Albert Lebrun to the destroyer Dubrovnik.

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-Boarding of the chest with King Alexander I's body on shipboard of the destroyer Dubrovnik. You can see the platform of PA gun 83,5mm, PA gun 83,5mm and Torpedo Tubes.

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-Destroyer Dubrovnik arrives in Split's Harbour, October 14th, 1934.

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On 10/27/2019 at 8:39 PM, invicta2012 said:

Meanies.

 

I would hope that they would turn up as part of a Mediterranean/Southern Europe line of destroyers. Northern Europe would be the Swedes, Poles, Norwegians and Dutch; Southern Europe the Greeks, Austro-Hungarians, Spanish, Yugoslavs, etc. There are plenty of ships in lots of different styles. This would also enable WG to create Black Sea and Baltic lines for their Russian and Soviet ships (as they are already doing).

Yes, and then they can add the HMNZS Achilles... hero the Graf Spee scuttling... (there were a few Brit ships there too but so what, they are not famous like our ship... )

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There are valid reasons for adding her as a Leander premium...

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