Smolensk... what is it based on?

[Sub_Littoral]

I have been coming up against the Smolensk and she is so OP. I looked it up historically and the only smolensk i could find was a sub.

 

So is she just some Russian wet dream?

[Yedwy]

No the Smolensk is strong, in certain circumstances even very strong, but she is not really OP, what she is is a HE slinging smoke cruiser and that is something our "average BB mains" didnt find an answer for in 4 years...

[kfa]

[Gvozdika]

In answer to your question of its real world origins. There aren't any.

 

It is a classic Soviet-era paper design that never got off the drawing board. Like most similar paper projects it basically represents an idealised concept with nothing in the way of practicalities or real-world physics getting in the way.....

 

See also - Kremlin. Stalingrad. Sinop. Imperator Nikolai. Kutuzov. Lenin. Moskva.... you possibly get the idea.

 

Edit - brain fart - Kutuzov is real. 

[ColonelPete]

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LastButterfly wrote:

 

Project mini-CL serie that started with the MK-designs in the 30s - but the MLKs are the pinnacle of the serie, drafted postwar.

In short :

 

In 1930somethingwhatever, the russians try to invent a new cruiser type - the small light cruiser ! (yeah, go russia. Let's make the various designs that exist between CL and DD - Leader, Contre-Torpilleurs, Esploratori, Auflklärungkreuzern - even MORE confusing -.-"). The soviets have 2 8000t concepts by the end of 1930 : a 152mm wielding one, represented by design MK4 which carriers three double, and a 130mm one, represented by MK6 which carriers 5 doubles. The things might not be armored but they pack firepower AND speec, reaching 39kn on paper.
Around MK-4, there are MK3 and 5, variants that are respectiveley a bit lighter and heavier. However, the concept of 152mm-wielding mini-CL doesn't please back then and it's though such a combination won't allow a cruiser to achieve everything it should. MK6 becomes a bit more popular and a design takes her basis to draft a destroyer leader which will become Porject 47 - basically, Khabarovsk's ancestor. However, in April 1941, the... deputy... Commissar... Popular... eeer, important Navy Guy "Haller" talks with his staff and decides the mini-CLs are doomed to fail because "the combination of good offense, defense and speed needed for a CL cannot be achieved with such a low displacement". The MKs are abandonned, and in their wake, a new projects of 8500t starts, project 94 - which will be what you may know under the name "Budyonny".

 

 

Postwar, particularly in the 50s, OKB 72 and 5 start working on mini-CLs again, modernizing the idea. They ain't the first, a guy from TSKB 17 had started in 1946, drafting a Project 65 first, and then developping it in parallel of Project 68 - Chapayev. The project 65 mini-CL serve as a basis for a next-gen Project 6 ( that would become what Wg calls Dmitri Donskoi) ; either way, for the origina Project 65, Stain said "don't work on that [censored], just make more Project 68" and it was the end of it.
Similarly, guys from TSKB 17 and 53 teamed up in 1947 to design the advanced light cruiser, based on mini-Cl series' idea (what kind of designation is THAT ?) KRL-22. I would have lots of trouble giving infos on that one, but at some point it was equipped with 220mm and could make 38kn. Don't ask me. I don't even know why they kept calling it a light cruiser, let alone mini-CL.

 

Either way, the Аваннроектом plan (which can be translated I think as something like... "advanced project" or "next-gen project" ? Anyway, the plan of new fleet that comprises the mini-CL idea) was progressing. Specs for the new mini-CLs are being decided. they shall :
-be able to patrol
-reckon for their squadron
-crush DDs, DLs, CLs, escort ships...

-defend their allies against aircrafts and torpedoes
-help allied DDs during offenses
-be able to bombard on land to support land troops.

And be cheap, too. 8000t max this time. So they got their inspiration in DD equippement and stole some designs from Smelyy and Neustrashimyy (which once again prompts the question : can we really call these things CLs, or ain't they just a big variant of destroyer leaders after all ? THE JOYS OF CLASSIFICATIONS).

The hardest for designs was the choose the caliber. They still hesitated between 152mm and 130mm (would turn out that 130mm designs are best at crushing DDs, torps and aircrafts, but that 152mm was better at bombardement and dealing with CLs. Tell me something I don't know, russia -.-)
The serie of drafts included the following :
MLK-8-130, MLK-10-130, MLK-12-130, which were ships equipped with double 130mm turrets (4*3 for the first, 5*2 for the second, and 6*2 for the third, hence their names).
MLK-8-152 and MLK-9-152 which (suprise) were equipped with 4*2 and 3*3 152mm respectively.

 

 

And finally, MLK-16-130, with quadruple 130mm turrets in square. Smolensk. A righteous place, for an amazing desin, that comes at the end of a serie and concept that was the root or influence of many soviet ships and designs - Budyonny, Chapayev-Sverdlov-Shcherbakov superclass, Dmitir Donskoi, Khabarovks and by extension something of Udaloi aswell - anyway.

I love the MLK serie.

 

[Rautainen_Biisoni]

She is just where WG wants it to be. Perfectly balanced at the top of every scoreboard along with Kremlin and Stalingrad. 

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, Gvozdika said:

Kutuzov

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverdlov-class_cruiser

[Donar79]

Vor 4 Minuten, Yedwy sagte:

No the Smolensk is strong in a certain circumstances even bery strong, but she is not really OP, what she is is a HE slinging smoke cruiser and that is something our "average BB mains" didnt find an answer for in 4 years...

I absolutely agree. But why another Kutufast or Belzov was needed is beyond me. They could have brought back the Kutu the moment they released Smol....Belfast would need adjusted Radar. All thatffentanz around taking out Kutu and Belfast only to get another one of this smoke spammers.

Its also kind of funny how fast this one was appearing after testing and how "careful" WG is balancing other nations ships.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, Rautainen_Biisoni said:

She is just where WG wants it to be. Perfectly balanced at the top of every scoreboard along with Kremlin and Stalingrad. 

I have seen her more than once on the lower half of the scoreboard.

Some players are just too agressive in her...

[Gvozdika]

4 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverdlov-class_cruiser

My bad - I have since amended.

[Bad_Boy_Bon_Bon_Biter]

 

3 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

I have seen her more than once on the lower half of the scoreboard.

Some players are just too agressive in her...

Yes that is " ME " and shes to slow give her a french engine boost ! 

 

[DFens_666]

2 minutes ago, Donar79 said:

They could have brought back the Kutu the moment they released Smol.

 

No they wont, because they need ships for XMas boxes

[CptBarney]

152mm smolensk....

 

152mm bigensk!

 

Im curious were peeps get dem images from, pretty interested to see what other designs the russians have.

 

Then i guess we can play whos dat ship?

[Jethro_Grey]

32 minutes ago, kfa said:

 

Smolensk...a ship build for eternity as even in the future, it's being used.

As you can see in the gif below, all the Colonials did was starp a dozen Smolensk onto the Battlestar and call it a day.

 

 

[Donar79]

Gerade eben, DFens_666 sagte:

 

No they wont, because they need ships for XMas boxes

[Rautainen_Biisoni]

35 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

I have seen her more than once on the lower half of the scoreboard.

Some players are just too agressive in her...

Blowing it up in the early game and ending up in the bottom of the scoreboard makes it look "not OP" in the statistics. No need for a nerf when potatoes bring down the average and statistics look just "fine"  

[fumtu]

45 minutes ago, Rautainen_Biisoni said:

She is just where WG wants it to be. Perfectly balanced at the top of every scoreboard along with Kremlin and Stalingrad. 

 

As all Soviet ships should be. If they were ever built they would be the best in the World for sure.

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

1 hour ago, Sub_Littoral said:

I have been coming up against the Smolensk and she is so OP. I looked it up historically and the only smolensk i could find was a sub.

 

So is she just some Russian wet dream?

The Smolensk is based on two things: Vodka and Cyka Blyat

Ships such as the Smolensk represent all that which is wrong with the game and the developers.

[fumtu]

52 minutes ago, Gvozdika said:

See also - Kremlin. Stalingrad. Sinop. Imperator Nikolai. Kutuzov. Lenin. Moskva.... you possibly get the idea.

 

Stalingrad was actually laid down but was scrapped after Stalin's death. If he lived just couple of more years longer maybe it would be finished but he didn't and with him went the biggest supporter of the ship.

 

[ColonelPete]

44 minutes ago, Rautainen_Biisoni said:

Blowing it up in the early game and ending up in the bottom of the scoreboard makes it look "not OP" in the statistics. No need for a nerf when potatoes bring down the average and statistics look just "fine"  

And good players making her look good does not make her "OP" either... 

[DFens_666]

15 minutes ago, Rautainen_Biisoni said:

Blowing it up in the early game and ending up in the bottom of the scoreboard makes it look "not OP" in the statistics. No need for a nerf when potatoes bring down the average and statistics look just "fine"  

 

Well, atleast they say they dont nerf/buff ships based on average stats, but rather based on how different skilled players perform in similar ships, i.e. can bad players get better results compared to other ships? Then it would be too strong.

https://wows-numbers.com/de/ship/3655251408,Smolensk/

If you compare Smolensk to Wooster, they are practically even in WR. Even if you look at server average or top 50/25/10/5%. Smolensk tends to get slightly more avg kills, and ofc a bit more average damage (which most likely is fire damage). People farming 300k damage because they milk several BBs for the maximum amount is not a good indicator for being OP. Every other ship would have less damage, but the BB would have been dead way before that.

[Taliesn]

30 minutes ago, Rautainen_Biisoni said:

Blowing it up in the early game and ending up in the bottom of the scoreboard makes it look "not OP" in the statistics. No need for a nerf when potatoes bring down the average and statistics look just "fine"  

 

BB Potatoes make 90% of her prays also, so swings and roundabouts.

[Yedwy]

1 hour ago, fumtu said:

 

As all Soviet ships should be. If they were ever built they would be the best in the World for sure.

The very possibility they could have been built already deteered the capitalist west from trying to compete as they knew its impossible... 

[Europizza]

 

It is becous Slavik PC

[Winged_Cat_Dormant]

It's based on steroids.