German battleships state

[tsounts]

On 2/13/2020 at 9:50 AM, colonel_duce said:

I really enjoyed german BB line until T8, which is the last tier with some fun factor. Played Bismarck and still playing Tirpitz, these are good ships, altough the guns were made in RNGeesus factories.
T9 is a pain to go through and T10, well finally you have 12 guns, but the ship moves literally like a brick, it`s big and everyone want`s some HP you have to give, usually you are first to go.
So if you play german BB line, stop&stay at T8. But that`s just me.

It's just you! :)

[LeAzur]

Le 13/02/2020 à 08:50, colonel_duce a dit :

T10, well finally you have 12 guns, but the ship moves literally like a brick, it`s big and everyone want`s some HP you have to give, usually you are first to go.
So if you play german BB line, stop&stay at T8. But that`s just me.

That's unfortunate.
Yes, GK depends a lot of the ennemy team, and how passive she is. Since the accuracy buff, you can also deal a lot of damage with your primary guns, and stop waiting for your secondaries to be effective. You have to be patient at the beginning of the battle and wait few minutes before making her secondaries effective
She's pretty fun these days.

[Xhabalanque]

Well I read a lot about not hitting at range, so I was wondering what you people think what counts as long range. Yepp I think GK remains frustrating compared to tier VIII Tirpitz and Bismarck, which I even like in Tier 10 because in comparison to the high tier ships stealth is good. 

 

My WR has gone up significantly over the last few weeks and I feel that the German BBs are perfectly adequate. And the Russian BBs are easy enough to Cita so I fear them not that much. Okay at 16km they are dangerous at 14 or less you got the advantage. 

 

Btw Bismarck is still great to get rid of DDs and I am am not that big of a fan of the manual scoundary... I find it more useful to be able to engage multiple targets at once. 

 

Tirp and Bis Gnei and Scharn all habe great turret rotation just try to shot the juiciest targets which are running broadside. Haven't seen many Dev strikes before the accuracy Buff... now I actually delete stuff from time to time. 

 

What German BBs do greatly besides secondary build is kiting and engaging multiple targets and disengaging (because turtleback) except this 16 bracket where you will eat citas if not careful enough. 

 

Camping is not your strongsuit. 

 

 

What I do tend to do is 

 

-Hit W

-Try to hold fire until spotted yourself

-Get almost onto the cap

-Turn away and kite that is the most dangerous part if more than 3 ships are targeting you its very dangerous. 

-If HP are too low stay undetected if okay feel free to blaze away 

- If they are running after you slow down and laugh at them if they get in secoundary range. Taunting also may help with this task. 

 

If you are too low HP Stopp firing your guns and go undetected.... that should be possible since even if the tier 10s are  worried about scratching their paint their detection range far exceeds yours so they will shot at now since you are harder to hit now than those wimps. 

 

 

In a 1on 1 fight between Yama/Musashi Bismarck/Tirpitz almost always wins :P

not scared at all. 

 

Torps are usually easy enough to avoid if you can read the minimal. 

 CVS are easy enough to avoid if you can read the minimal and have a sensible understanding of how the cv is trying to drop and staying within 5km to at least one other ship. 

=> The DDs Udaloi Friesland and Kidd will wreck airplanes  worse than eg than a Dea Moines  the later doesn't have a smoke generator

 

What you should beware of is Cruiser He and British BB He. 

 

 

 

 

Best case scenario you have friends in other German BBs that is the situation when it is still possible to bully the opposition around.                                  Last week I won the brawl VS a tier VIII baguette and another BB of the same tier. Even the Massachusetts was only left with a  quarter HP when I finally went down due to having used up all heals. 

 

[Imsali]

On 2/17/2020 at 9:29 AM, Xhabalanque said:

In a 1on 1 fight between Yama/Musashi Bismarck/Tirpitz almost always wins :P

not scared at all. 

 

While I agree Bismarck can be troll for very close engagements, I even took out a Montana driving by, in a standard cases a Bismarck has no chance against a Yamato/Musashi - Tirpitz a bit more if it has time to release torps though.

[Xhabalanque]

On 2/23/2020 at 10:07 AM, optimal_909 said:

While I agree Bismarck can be troll for very close engagements, I even took out a Montana driving by, in a standard cases a Bismarck has no chance against a Yamato/Musashi - Tirpitz a bit more if it has time to release torps though.

What do you mean stadard case ?

 

For me its usually Musahi panics ties to reverse Bismarck driving cycles around and citadelling her through the cheeks :3 Well if stadard case is Bismarck running broadside to a Yami at 20+ km It will be the other way aound :P

[Flock_Undead]

7 minutes ago, Xhabalanque said:

What do you mean stadard case ?

 

For me its usually Musahi panics ties to reverse Bismarck driving cycles around and citadelling her through the cheeks :3 Well if stadard case is Bismarck running broadside to a Yami at 20+ km It will be the other way aound :P

The Standard case is that the Musashi or Yamato isnt going to let you see her Cheek, and will just overmatch everything your ship has to offer.

 

Its as simple as that.

[Imsali]

10 hours ago, Flock_Undead said:

The Standard case is that the Musashi or Yamato isnt going to let you see her Cheek, and will just overmatch everything your ship has to offer.

 

Its as simple as that.

Thank you.

[Osjur]

On 2/15/2020 at 12:01 PM, LeAzur said:

That's unfortunate.
Yes, GK depends a lot of the ennemy team, and how passive she is. Since the accuracy buff, you can also deal a lot of damage with your primary guns, and stop waiting for your secondaries to be effective. You have to be patient at the beginning of the battle and wait few minutes before making her secondaries effective
She's pretty fun these days.

I really have to ask, what accuracy buff? I took it out of port in a long time and played couple of matches. Its still the most trollish BB when it comes to main guns. it shall stay in the port until wg actually buffs its short range dispersion which is hilariously bad for a close combat bb. One can sail full broadside on a cr against it in less than 8km and just laugh when gk guns hit everywhere except the cruiser.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Osjur said:

I really have to ask, what accuracy buff? I took it out of port in a long time and played couple of matches. Its still the most trollish BB when it comes to main guns. it shall stay in the port until wg actually buffs its short range dispersion which is hilariously bad for a close combat bb. One can sail full broadside on a cr against it in less than 8km and just laugh when gk guns hit everywhere except the cruiser.

Couple of matches is not enough, especially when you did not play them for a long time.

The server data clearly shows the accuray improvement.

[hellbolt]

On high tiers i tend to avoid playing german BB's (T8+) since their accuracy is poor and they burn like gasoline under HE Spammers fire.

 

Guns are too inconsistent - often on my GK i have been scoring no hits from close range. What is more fuses on AP shells seem to be long as they score plenty of over pens.

I do not over relay on secondaries.

[ColonelPete]

4 hours ago, hellbolt said:

On high tiers i tend to avoid playing german BB's (T8+) since their accuracy is poor and they burn like gasoline under HE Spammers fire.

 

Guns are too inconsistent - often on my GK i have been scoring no hits from close range. What is more fuses on AP shells seem to be long as they score plenty of over pens.

I do not over relay on secondaries.

• they are more accurate than Richelieu and Alsace
• fire chances are equal to same Tier BB
• fuses are identical to most BB (except UK BB)

[hellbolt]

On 7/3/2020 at 8:07 PM, ColonelPete said:

• they are more accurate than Richelieu and Alsace
• fire chances are equal to same Tier BB
• fuses are identical to most BB (except UK BB)

Actually German BB's are having more places which can cause fire - don't look at percentage just at the general spots where the fire can start. In my Thunderer i like to shot HE on GK's from long range as it is almost guaranteed 1-3 fires per salvo. It doesn't work the same with Soviet BB's for example.

 

Btw - State of German BB's: Latest WG invention: Odin (T8) has now less HP than Bayern at T6. Not mentioning T7's. Seems that they drank too much vodka while singing soviet anthem :]

[ColonelPete]

26 minutes ago, hellbolt said:

Actually German BB's are having more places which can cause fire - don't look at percentage just at the general spots where the fire can start. In my Thunderer i like to shot HE on GK's from long range as it is almost guaranteed 1-3 fires per salvo. It doesn't work the same with Soviet BB's for example.

But that has nothing to do with the fire chance, but with the size of the ship. They do not burn easier, they just get hit more easily.

And while Kremlins superstructure is a bit shorter, she is also much higher. Not really a big difference in size.

 

[hellbolt]

15 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

But that has nothing to do with the fire chance, but with the size of the ship. They do not burn easier, they just get hit more easily.

And while Kremlins superstructure is a bit shorter, she is also much higher. Not really a big difference in size.

 

Looking at photos to me GK has much larger midships. Kremlin brings impression of size due to large amount of AA mounts there. What is more GK is longer ship (easier to hit).

[ollonborre]

1 hour ago, hellbolt said:

Looking at photos to me GK has much larger midships. Kremlin brings impression of size due to large amount of AA mounts there. What is more GK is longer ship (easier to hit).

Even so all BB's have 4 hitboxes where fires can be set, regardless of size. So they don't have more places to be set on fire, but as you say easier to hit due to size.