Nerf Smolensk

[TasapeRN]

Smolensk is an easy option for people who cant play the game , need or want high damage & kills to improve there stats . 1 salvo and your on fire . Crazy damage and rate of fire .

I looked at it before using my resources .

And decided against it as it isn't realistic and went with the Yoshino instead . 

Why ? .

Simple a conscience .

I want to play this game as its a strategy game .

Not hide behind smoke and spam HE .

Ranked battles have been ruined by these ships . Get 2 of these on an opposing team and you've lost . 

I went up against a Smolensk in my Kurfurst . I was full health . Constantly on fire , and by the time I got close enough to his smoke , he was gone . And on fire again and he was out of detection range till his next load of smoke and 

HE .

2 types of people in this game . Those that enjoy playing with tactics , and those that want the easy option .

And the only people happy with the Smolensk are those that are happy to play it , whilst the majority think it should be aborted . We have too many HE spammers in this game to keep the little children happy .

 

Made a higher rank in the real Royal Navy !!!!  :D 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

46 minutes ago, TasapeRN said:

Smolensk is an easy option for people who cant play the game , need or want high damage & kills to improve there stats . 1 salvo and your on fire . Crazy damage and rate of fire .

...

Does not make you win...

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20200307/eu_2month/average_ship_u.html

 

The more Smolensk on the enemy team, the better the chances that your team wins.

[TasapeRN]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

Does not make you win...

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20200307/eu_2month/average_ship_u.html

 

The more Smolensk on the enemy team, the better the chances that your team wins.

I never said it made you win … try again ;)

 

Where's my AB(S) Tas rank ? . I earned it in the real world :D

[ColonelPete]

21 minutes ago, TasapeRN said:

I never said it made you win … try again ;)

I never said you did...

Sorry, no brownie points for you.

[TasapeRN]

4 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

I never said you did...

Sorry, no brownie points for you.

Oh you commented it didn't make you win , in response to my post top left of your little graph . So in replying to my post you insinuated I did .

And as for your  little graph its irregular .

Stalingrad has been released a lot longer than the Smolensk , so it shows incorrect up to date data , in relation to the gap between both ships being played .

So alas . Little Pete .

No Brownie points for you either ;) , Over 22k posts ? . 

You'd think you knew what you were talking about by now :D

[ColonelPete]

4 minutes ago, TasapeRN said:

Oh you commented it didn't make you win , in response to my post top left of your little graph . So in replying to my post you insinuated I did .

Nope.

Please think and do not speculate. 

I quoted the part I was answering to for a reason. Farming damage does not make you win. Period.

When you want to win, it is an advantage when the enemy team has more Smolensks than yours as the average Smolensk performs quite badly. Period.

 

The data is correct. 

And you are quite cocky for someone who does not know the difference between a graph and a table...

[TasapeRN]

19 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Nope.

Please think and do not speculate. 

I quoted the part I was answering to for a reason. Farming damage does not make you win. Period.

When you want to win, it is an advantage when the enemy team has more Smolensks than yours as the average Smolensk performs quite badly. Period.

 

The data is correct. 

And you are quite cocky for someone who does not know the difference between a graph and a table...

For someone who posts a lot , I would've thought you would know the difference .

In fact  , almost sadly a lot .

I can afford to be cocky , firstly I don't add an army rank before my name , because I had a real rank in the military ;)

Secondly & finally kid , because only a kid would give themselves a rank . When you quote someone , and don't include any further information apart from It Don't Make You Win !! , with your little bar/graph/table that is not completely

correct . 

Then you are trying to be a smart arse . Something you did badly , because I never said it .

Now run along as I,m sure you have another 22 thousand posts to make . And as you see child . I don't post much ;)

[ColonelPete]

7 minutes ago, TasapeRN said:

For someone who posts a lot , I would've thought you would know the difference .

In fact  , almost sadly a lot .

I can afford to be cocky , firstly I don't add an army rank before my name , because I had a real rank in the military ;)

Secondly & finally kid , because only a kid would give themselves a rank . When you quote someone , and don't include any further information apart from It Don't Make You Win !! , with your little bar/graph/table that is not completely

correct . 

Then you are trying to be a smart arse . Something you did badly , because I never said it .

Now run along as I,m sure you have another 22 thousand posts to make . And as you see child . I don't post much ;)

Had you read my post fully, you would have seen that I included more information. But it looks like you have not even a clue what you are talking about, even after I provided you with further information. No wonder you have such problems facing a static ship like Smolensk.

 

And yes, other people had ranks in the military too, that is not something special.  It is a good thing for your country you left the military, since tactics do not seem to be your forte.

[atommo999]

I think the Smolensk might be taking a back seat soon...

 

Heard of the upcoming Petropavlovsk with 995 m/s (mach 2.9) HE rounds?

 

Yuuuup

 

(I'm not joking by the way: https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Petropavlovsk)

 

Edit: apparently it can also turn its turrets 360 degrees. For reference, this is what the turrets look like: 

[Panocek]

38 minutes ago, atommo999 said:

I think the Smolensk might be taking a back seat soon...

 

Heard of the upcoming Petropavlovsk with 995 m/s (mach 2.9) HE rounds?

 

Yuuuup

 

(I'm not joking by the way: https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Petropavlovsk)

 

Edit: apparently it can also turn its turrets 360 degrees. For reference, this is what the turrets look like: 

And you know railguns work both ways?

[HaachamaShipping]

57 minutes ago, atommo999 said:

I think the Smolensk might be taking a back seat soon...

 

Heard of the upcoming Petropavlovsk with 995 m/s (mach 2.9) HE rounds?

 

Yuuuup

 

(I'm not joking by the way: https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Petropavlovsk)

 

Edit: apparently it can also turn its turrets 360 degrees. For reference, this is what the turrets look like: 

There exist faster muzzle velocities and ships with 360° turret rotation already.

 

Meanwhile, things that are also not irrelevant: 10 s radar duration, making it basically just a situation update, as only PP itself can really do much about the ship being radared. And even then... not much.

[principat121]

But the Petropavlovsk is balanced, because its turrets rotate slower then the turrets of the Kremlin. 

 

Everything is fine!

[Pegasus2022]

On 3/13/2020 at 10:28 AM, Bunny_Lover_Kallen said:

14k damage is almost half its hp pool. Arguing "it doesn't care" is a bit silly.

 

 

Most cruisers would taken 5 citadels and be dev struck.

You know as well as I do HE is much more dsevastating than AP. He doesnte care about ables and sets fires.

Smol outranges Mino by 6KM, doeset care about angles, and sets fires.

 

Smolensk is everything WG decided not to do with Mino because they knew it would be OP. It's ok with Smol those, cuz Russia.

 

Take off the rose tinted glasses.

 

This game is rapidly turning into the 'Glorius Soviet Navy Simulator'.

[HaachamaShipping]

19 minutes ago, Pegasus2022 said:

Most cruisers would taken 5 citadels and be dev struck.

Most cruisers don't take HE cits and most T10 cruisers have a way of angling to at least ovoid getting absolutely murdered by BBs. Smolensk has no way of angling against HE, it just eats the damage and that's it. And 14k on a Smolensk would be like 30k on a Moskva, which basically is 2 cits worth of damage.

[LiveWire___]

On 10/22/2019 at 9:35 PM, Luke6_31 said:

Hey WG. Do something about this ship. You know smoke and HE spammers doesn't work. (See Kutuzov & Belfast). [edited]SORT THIS crap OUT!!!. Also, Nerf the Soviet BB's FFS. I doubt you even play your own game sometimes. Just awful managment of this game.

I believe that, if there ever was a ship that was capable of killing World Of Warships for WG, it's the Smolensk.

 

It would achieve this by driving away players who are forced to fight against it.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Well lets all be happy it is being removed then, pity the new player who finds there is nothing anymore to grind resources for

[TasapeRN]

On 3/14/2020 at 3:52 PM, ColonelPete said:

Had you read my post fully, you would have seen that I included more information. But it looks like you have not even a clue what you are talking about, even after I provided you with further information. No wonder you have such problems facing a static ship like Smolensk.

 

And yes, other people had ranks in the military too, that is not something special.  It is a good thing for your country you left the military, since tactics do not seem to be your forte.

Oh I did kid , I'm assuming you're a kid . Over 22k in posts . Some of us have families . A life . A girlfriend or wife . Even a job or run our own business . 

Get a grip kid , stop arguing with everyone on here pretending you think you know everything .

You quite simply don't . 

Grow up and get all the above , and you will learn a few things ;)

And more importantly if you think getting a rank in the military isn't something special .

Try it … or even come away from your little keyboard warrior ways and jon the military . Or even tell someone face to face who is a veteran or in the military your rank aint nothing special .

I'II attend your funeral ;)

Now kid … run along and think about getting a life . Do something with it apart from being a forum warrior :D

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, TasapeRN said:

Oh I did kid , I'm assuming you're a kid . Over 22k in posts . Some of us have families . A life . A girlfriend or wife . Even a job or run our own business . 

Get a grip kid , stop arguing with everyone on here pretending you think you know everything .

You quite simply don't . 

Grow up and get all the above , and you will learn a few things ;)

And more importantly if you think getting a rank in the military isn't something special .

Try it … or even come away from your little keyboard warrior ways and jon the military . Or even tell someone face to face who is a veteran or in the military your rank aint nothing special .

I'II attend your funeral ;)

Now kid … run along and think about getting a life . Do something with it apart from being a forum warrior :D

A lot of words, no argument. Good job

[MRGTB]

On 3/10/2020 at 3:50 PM, captain_fonky said:

The only nerf to smolensk should be remove its torps. Is someone afraid of a friesland ? No because you can rush him without fear. Same would apply to a smol without torps.

Makes little difference removing the torps from Smol. if you're in a BB he'll still burn you down from full health before you get anywhere near his smoke screen. Mostly because it has good range to start hitting you from before you get anywhere near his smoke screen.

[Kiwi1960]

look at it this way... the hail of fire rains down on you... you get sunk time after time... till you learn...

 

You might still get sunk by the Smolli, but the times you do not... are the ones where you learn...

 

If you find yourself in a game without a Smolli... then you will be the better player. (it will teach you to fight, run or hide... no other ship will be as bad ever again...)

 

They should NEVER nerf a premium ship! Nerfing doesn't happen in real life... as Rumsfeld said (for all the wrong reasons) "You must fight a war with the army you have, not the army you want!"

If you are in ANY ship facing a Smolli.... deal with it... work with others to combat it... focus fire, maybe... but don;t cry about it.

 

As I said, face fear and eventually you will be a better player for it.

[Kiwi1960]

On 3/15/2020 at 8:41 PM, Thundercracker_3 said:

I believe that, if there ever was a ship that was capable of killing World Of Warships for WG, it's the Smolensk.

 

It would achieve this by driving away players who are forced to fight against it.

Very dramatic.... players being chased from a game because of a cyber ship...

 

deal with it.

 

Thanks to MM, chances are high that your team has a Smolli too... its not always as one sided as you're making out.

[Grossadmiral_H_invader]

The only thing that really bothers me is, how unsinkable Smolensk is, even if it sails around full broadside.

 

Once you outplayed a Minotaur giving you broadside, its a pretty safe Devstrike.

 

Not with the Smolensk.

 

I have never seen a cruiser with the capability of bouncing so many shells / only receiving overpens at close range.

 

I wonder what balancing factor Wargaming sees in the Smolensk.

 

Fast shells for a light cruiser, absurd range, absurd DPM, absurd fire chance, good torps, absurd concealment, Smoke, fast and agile.

 

That ship is simply a mess.

 

I have no problem with strong ships, but Smolensk is simply uncounterable. Not for BBs, not for DDs.

 

And I bet, for Update 9.4 we will be getting a Smolensk Rework in classic wargaming wording.

 

“We have recognized, that Smolensk may have been a powerful enemy in some situations. Therefore we have increased the rudder shift by 0.1 seconds. 
Also, the smolensk healthpool is shrunk by 250 hp.

With update 9.4, Smolensk will receive 60 mm deck armor and 32 mm bow and stern.

To make it more effective, the consumable Radar will be added. To give players a more convenient experience, it will be the same radar found in Stalingrad“.

[Grossadmiral_H_invader]

Am 15.3.2020 um 20:13, Bunny_Lover_Kallen sagte:

Most cruisers don't take HE cits and most T10 cruisers have a way of angling to at least ovoid getting absolutely murdered by BBs. Smolensk has no way of angling against HE, it just eats the damage and that's it. And 14k on a Smolensk would be like 30k on a Moskva, which basically is 2 cits worth of damage.

No cruiser in this game has a chance of angling against HE. Tier X Cruisers have 25/27 mm plating and even without quarter Pen, every BB will pen any part of any cruiser at any time.

Besides, Moskwa has a huge detection range, no smoke and is a battle cruiser. It is counterable.

 

Even an average Smolenskplayer will manage to be undetected practically the whole game and spam HE from behind an island. Moskwa has no chance of doing so.

 

And I agree: most Smolensk players tend to be rather weak, since spamming HE does not win you games, bur for certain ships, even a retard player ruins your game. 

 

Not to speak of really capable Smolensk players....that simply murder everything.

[ColonelPete]

26 minutes ago, Grossadmiral_H_invader said:

No cruiser in this game has a chance of angling against HE.

But a angling helps.

• smaller profile
• HE shells might hit the turret armor
• and not all HE shells pen 25/27mm armor

[HaachamaShipping]

24 minutes ago, Grossadmiral_H_invader said:

No cruiser in this game has a chance of angling against HE. Tier X Cruisers have 25/27 mm plating and even without quarter Pen, every BB will pen any part of any cruiser at any time.

No, but if you take for example your typical Hindenburg or Moskva, you hit them with HE, they don't eat citadels and the damage HE does hurts, but is way less brutal than on a ship that has the least hp of any T10 cruiser. Eating 10k on a Hindenburg is painful, but 1/6 of its hp pool. Eating an HE cit and a few pens in Smolensk for 15k meanwhile halves your hp pool. To do an equivalent on Hindenburg/Moskva, you'd need to broadside to eat an AP citadel.

29 minutes ago, Grossadmiral_H_invader said:

Besides, Moskwa has a huge detection range, no smoke and is a battle cruiser. It is counterable.

And does not eat HE cits and bounces Yamato shells, while shattering most cruiser HE. It can citpen most T10 cruisers even at range. For something like a Zao, I'd rather put up with Smolensk than with Moskva. Because one I just need to avoid in smoke, the other is way harder to dig out, if it knows how to look after its flanks.

 

Or why do you think CB lineups frequently feature Moskva, few include Smolensk?