Nerf Smolensk

[SirAmra]

5 hours ago, _Nexis981_ said:

What ist AFT?

In other words:

• It gives you a advantage over players without that AFT-thingy?
• It let u shot 3km more than limited by the game?

Sounds like cheating and should get forbidden and punished. 

 

I am talking about a Smolensk, uncheatet and while a fair using of the game how it is intended.

It seems your real issue is the using of this cheat.

In other words: The Smolensk is balanced if you do not cheat.

A captain skill that everyone can CHOOSE isn't a cheat. And by tier 10 u ought to have a near 19 point captain anyway.

ATF even gives u longer range on secondaries. It was more or less obsoleted with the CV rework except for the secondary spech ships and pew pew DDs.

But AFT is a solid choice on the Smolensk.

And your game intended point is invalid if you ignore captain skills.

Learn the mechanics of the game before u call stuff out as cheats.....u just end up being an idiot if not.

But hey....u can always play your 13km range Smolensk....I CHOOSE not to.....since I can do it without cheating.

[NothingButTheRain]

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Nerf Smolensk

Spoiler

We weren't even being serious here

I mean I barely ever play the ship 

[Mental1ty]

I am out of this ranked season and tier x games until WG does sth about Smolensk. There is  no need to discuss if Smolensk is OP or not. Smolensk is just ridiculous and the game doesnt make fun anymore with Smolensk in it.

[ColonelPete]

Bourgogne	Battleship	0.9%	56.08%	100 126	Leaderboard
Stalingrad	Cruiser	2.6%	55.34%	73 281	Leaderboard
Ohio	Battleship	0.7%	54.64%	87 290	Leaderboard
Kléber	Destroyer	1.7%	54.58%	46 022	Leaderboard
Somers	Destroyer	0.5%	54.54%	46 251	Leaderboard
Kremlin	Battleship	5%	53.53%	81 696	Leaderboard
Daring	Destroyer	1.8%	53.09%	40 005	Leaderboard
Venezia	Cruiser	1.8%	52.93%	78 297	Leaderboard
Hakuryū	Aircraft Carrier	1.9%	52.91%	79 059	Leaderboard
Des Moines	Cruiser	5.7%	52.45%	62 210	Leaderboard
Worcester	Cruiser	2.1%	51.24%	67 495	Leaderboard
Henri IV	Cruiser	1.8%	50.71%	71 480	Leaderboard
Minotaur	Cruiser	3.6%	50.7%	56 921	Leaderboard
Grozovoi	Destroyer	1%	50.67%	34 770	Leaderboard
Khabarovsk	Destroyer	0.3%	50.62%	42 104	Leaderboard
Thunderer	Battleship	1.9%	50.6%	94 608	Leaderboard
Smolensk	Cruiser	9.3%	50.35%	79 908	Leaderboard
Shimakaze	Destroyer	8.5%	50.23%	39 393	Leaderboard
Großer Kurfürst	Battleship	6.3%	50.08%	70 110	Leaderboard
Colbert	Cruiser	0.2%	49.9%	70 898	Leaderboard
Z-52	Destroyer	2.6%	49.89%	30 860	Leaderboard
Yamato	Battleship	6.8%	49.85%	81 011	Leaderboard
Harugumo	Destroyer	1.9%	49.83%	44 539	Leaderboard
Zaō	Cruiser	3.3%	49.82%	65 317	Leaderboard
Conqueror	Battleship	2.4%	49.66%	94 373	Leaderboard
Montana	Battleship	5%	49.35%	74 184	Leaderboard
Gearing	Destroyer	4.5%	49.24%	37 919	Leaderboard
Moskva	Cruiser	2.4%	49.04%	56 501	Leaderboard
Yueyang	Destroyer	0.8%	48.9%	37 966	Leaderboard
République	Battleship	2.6%	48.79%	78 581	Leaderboard
Hindenburg	Cruiser	4%	48.63%	63 357	Leaderboard
Yoshino	Cruiser	2%	48.42%	65 180	Leaderboard
Audacious	Aircraft Carrier	0.6%	48.28%	67 279	Leaderboard
Midway	Aircraft Carrier	1.4%	48.25%	64 631	Leaderboard
Salem	Cruiser	2.1%	47.84%	56 329	Leaderboard

[tsounts]

5 hours ago, Mental1ty said:

I am out of this ranked season and tier x games until WG does sth about Smolensk. There is  no need to discuss if Smolensk is OP or not. Smolensk is just ridiculous and the game doesnt make fun anymore with Smolensk in it.

It's not the Smolensk mate, it's the very bad player base in ranked.  Smolensk can be countered but ranked is full of people playing tier x ships without properly trained captains, camos and consumables, add to that the majority of the players that don't have any clue on how to use their ships.  In the end what matters in ranked so far is keeping your star by getting lucky rng and farming more damage which in many cases happens by accident rewarding poor players that have managed staying alive longer without playing for the actual objectives.

[Nexis_Finn]

Vor 21 Stunden, SirAmra sagte:

A captain skill that everyone can CHOOSE isn't a cheat. And by tier 10 u ought to have a near 19 point captain anyway.

ATF even gives u longer range on secondaries. It was more or less obsoleted with the CV rework except for the secondary spech ships and pew pew DDs.

But AFT is a solid choice on the Smolensk.

And your game intended point is invalid if you ignore captain skills.

Learn the mechanics of the game before u call stuff out as cheats.....u just end up being an idiot if not.

But hey....u can always play your 13km range Smolensk....I CHOOSE not to.....since I can do it without cheating.

Calm down bro. I have already said that i did not knew this shortcout. Next time write it completely "Advanced Firing Training" and do not use shortcuts like AFT. I have a german client and there this skill sounds very different and has different beginning-letters.

You would also not know what i would mean with "VS", "Verbesserte Schießausbildung". It is the german word for this skill.

 

So no reason to freak out, ok?

 

Btw. i do not use that skill because i need my points for another skills. Which are my secret ^^

I use the range-extender-module in Slot 6.

Because i cannot see any sense by decreasing the firing-rate from 4,5 to 3,96 seconds reload-time by simultaneously increasing the turning-time of the turrets. So this Reload-Speeder-Module makes no sense at all; at least for me.

 

Fact ist that the smolensk is not overpowered, because it has huge disadvantages. Show me any leaderboard, where the Smolensk is permanently on 1st, 2nd or 3rd place with a very high winrate.

If it would really be op, it should get reflected by statistics.

 

Just compare the advantages and disadvantages, then u will see Smolensk is not overpowered at all.

 

Disadvantage | Counter-Advantage

Very weak armor | Smoke

Very low hitpoints | Repair

Very low base-range | Very high fire-rate

Very high coal-price (240'000) | ...  ... *scratching head* ... ... ... ... ... *chirping grasshoppers* ... ... ... ... I add it, if i find something 

[Odo_Toothless]

9 hours ago, _Nexis981_ said:

Fact ist that the smolensk is not overpowered, because it has huge disadvantages. Show me any leaderboard, where the Smolensk is permanently on 1st, 2nd or 3rd place with a very high winrate.

If it would really be op, it should get reflected by statistics.

Look at: Smolensk click Avg damage and click from All to 5% the best.

 

    3           3             2             1           1

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, Odo_Toothless said:

Look at: Smolensk click Avg damage and click from All to 5% the best.

 

    3           3             2             1           1

Damage 

[Odo_Toothless]

33 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Damage 

Instead of eyes closing, think and read data with some understanding. Do not count Stalingrad, becouse only best players have this one in majority. Colbert and Venezia - very small amount of games/high chance of veteran players. Then look at Smolensk WR:  2/2/2/2/2 and avg. frags/game too.

[ColonelPete]

He asked for winrate, not damage.

DM has a higher winrate in the past two months. Must be "OP" then...

[Odo_Toothless]

11 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

He asked for winrate, not damage.

Read again then.

 

"leaderboard, where the Smolensk is permanently on 1st, 2nd or 3rd place with a very high winrate" can have different meanings.

Ex. 1,2,3 top of any kind + having high WR.

 

But: leaderboard, where Smolensk is permanently on 1st, 2nd or 3rd place in winrate category (or when taking into account WR).   - has only one.

 

 

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, Odo_Toothless said:

Read again then.

 

"leaderboard, where the Smolensk is permanently on 1st, 2nd or 3rd place with a very high winrate" can have different meanings.

Ex. 1,2,3 top of any kind + having high WR.

 

But: leaderboard, where smolensk is permanently on 1st, 2nd or 3rd place in winrate category (or when taking into account WR).   - has only one.

Now you are discussing the semantics of a non native speaker.

[Odo_Toothless]

8 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Now you are discussing the semantics of a non native speaker.

You lost all arguments, but You are still producing useless posts. I am right ?

 

No the ship with one of the highest DMG, avg. frags/game and very high WR is just weak, becouse You said so. And it's for coal - available to everyone. From the poor to very good players - not like Stalingrad, and is not veteran ship like Colbert.

[ColonelPete]

5 minutes ago, Odo_Toothless said:

You lost all arguments, but You are still producing useless posts. I am right ?

 

No the ship with one of the highest DMG, avg. frags/game and very high WR is just weak, becouse You said so. And it's for coal - avaible to everyone. From the poor to very good players - not like Stalingrad, and is not veteran ship like Colbert.

I never said she is weak 

[Krucoz]

Hi, i was wondering if the Smolensk would still have very good stats if the BB's, instead of reversing, were pushing?

The safer path is not always behind you.

 

 

[Grossadmiral_H_invader]

Am 7.12.2019 um 19:22, Jean_Bart sagte:

The tier 10 battles are full of ships bought with money - Smolensk, Stalingrad, Thunderer, Yoshino and so on, played by players with less than 200 battles!

Ehm....

 

They are not bought with money.... Coal and steel.

 

But how would you know...

[DodoDieHard]

On 12/8/2019 at 7:44 PM, _Nexis981_ said:

Calm down bro. I have already said that i did not knew this shortcout. Next time write it completely "Advanced Firing Training" and do not use shortcuts like AFT. I have a german client and there this skill sounds very different and has different beginning-letters.

You would also not know what i would mean with "VS", "Verbesserte Schießausbildung". It is the german word for this skill.

 

So no reason to freak out, ok?

From one native German speaker to another native German speaker: Even in the German section of this forum the English abbreviations are frequently used.

It also helps to google terms and abbreviations you do not know before you call them a cheat ;) .

 

I highly doubt someone who did not instantly think „that boat needs AFT (VS)“ after seeing it‘s stats has enough experience to evaluate the impact of the ship.
 

[Cyanide_NL]

17 hours ago, Grossadmiral_H_invader said:

Ehm....

 

They are not bought with money.... Coal and steel.

 

A lot of people use money to get that coal and steel quicker, so they still are bought with money :)

[Nexis_Finn]

@DodoDieHard

nice nickname btw.

 

It was a misunderstanding because he used the word "mod" in same sentence. And "mod" is in my definition a external program which modifies the game-client.

That was the reason because i thought, AFT would be a "mod" (external program) which increases the range. And that would be cheating.

But for me is this case closed, because i said already 2 times sorry and i cannot do more than that. I will not visit him and kiss his feet as sorry, if anyone expects that ^^

 

Vor 23 Minuten, Cyanide_NL sagte:

A lot of people use money to get that coal and steel quicker, so they still are bought with money :)

You can not in any way buy steel or coal directly with real money.

 

Steel and Coal is only obtainable by playing the game, fullfilling tasks, opening experience-containers and participating events.

You can maaaybe in rare cases get "accidently" coal from bought containers. But i say "accidently", because nobody is buying this containers for the coal. The main-reason for buying this containers is, that people want to pick the mainprice which is mostly a ship.

[Cyanide_NL]

True of course. Can't argue with that. But you understand me :)

[Lord_of_Tali]

I also have the smolensk. This ship is breaking completely the game balance! 

It is too strong, playing the smoensk is not  fun if you're winning and there is no challenge.

The reason is: it has no viable counter, no other ship can beat it one by one. Every other ships have their counters: BB's ->DD, Stalingrad ->HenriIV, Des Moines -> High Caliber BB's....and so on

 

Smolensk laughs at it. It can beat BBs from range, DD's are dead even before they can shoot their torps, it can even beat Heavy Cruisers in a close fight ->this is [edited]

BB's just overpen with AP when shooting at it, so they are beeing constricted to switch ammo type just because of one ship. Why does broadside Harugumo take 12k+ damage against Stalingrad but Smolensk just overpens WG? This makes no sense.

 

I consider the following changes:

 

1. Give it a Citadel that can be hit by BBs and heavy cruisers, just like Minotaur

2. Nerf the reload by 0,5 seconds

 

But I already know that wont happen, so my last consideration is:

 

REMOVE Smolensk from game and give the players the cole back!!!

 

 

[Nexis_Finn]

Vor 12 Stunden, Lord_of_Tali sagte:

Every other ships have their counters: BB's ->DD, Stalingrad ->HenriIV, Des Moines -> High Caliber BB's....and so on

 

DD's are dead even before they can shoot their torps

 

Completely wrong. You can not kill a dd so fast that he cannot shot his torps.

 

And here is your counter: only 2 torpedo-hits from this dd and the smolensk is completely dead.

 

Or do you seriously expect that it shall take a whole torpedo-reloadtime to take out a dd? 

I would say: if a dd is running into a lowrange Smolensk while he is reloading his torps, it is his own tactical fail. 

[Dukewerth1]

14 minutes ago, _Nexis981_ said:

Completely wrong. You can not kill a dd so fast that he cannot shot his torps.

 

And here is your counter: only 2 torpedo-hits from this dd and the smolensk is completely dead.

 

Or do you seriously expect that it shall take a whole torpedo-reloadtime to take out a dd? 

I would say: if a dd is running into a lowrange Smolensk while he is reloading his torps, it is his own tactical fail. 

If you're torped by a DD, then you don't know how to play a cruiser with hydro .... 

and yeah, very often a DD is killed very soon. For example in rank, a DD smoke for the smolensk. It provides cover for him. The DD spots the others DDs and ennemy DD is dead. Only an example of how a smolensk can destroy a DD fast. And you say low HP for your smolensk. But with my BB t10, I do 1 cit and he's really fine. 

This ship is brocken because he can do everything. Even with my moskva I have no chance vs a decent smolensk because he also gets a good concealment. 

[Nexis_Finn]

Who says that i use Smolensk with hydro?

And even if i play it sometimes with hydro: who says that it is ready if a whole dd-pack starts rushing?

Sometimes a Smolensk uses hydro to prevent successfull get torped by dd1. If then dd2 comes, hydro has a cooldown.

 

So if a Smolensk get rushed by dd's, it is certainly dead. Because it is not able to kill a dd fast enough. The dd has much time to shot torps before.

A clever Smolensk player with unready hydro does not rush. He can just get unlucky rushed while having a unready hydro.

 

Every clever Smolensk-driver is retreating with a cooling hydro.

If a destoyer-driver is rushing a smolensk which has unready hydro, the smole is very unlucky. Then the smole has no chance.

 

Warships is a tactical shooter like other tactical shooters. You have ever to make the right decisions.

If a retreating Smolensk with unready hydro get rushed by dd, smole will unlucky die. So admittedly it would be a clever dd-move.

But if a dd with unready torps is rushing a smolensk, it will deserved die 

 

So, Wg will not nerf or remove the Smolensk because they do not support untactical moves/playstyle.

 

Because if Smolensk-Battle get rushed by a dd with ready torps, the smolensk will die due to just 2 torps. Because it cannot kill the dd fast enough to prevent torpedo-shooting.

Except the dd is already low-health. But: if a low-health dd is yolo-facing a smole  = -> own fail ... again, because the smole will fire back and deadly 

 

I guess you are dd-driver. So it is on you to evaluate if a smolensk has ready or unready hydro. How to evaluate this? I have no desire and time to be your personal Marine-Tactics-Teacher.

 

Just compare the disadvantages with the advantages, then you will see Smolensk is balanced at all.

 

Disadvantage | Counter/Advantage

Very weak armor | Smoke

Very low hitpoints | Repair

Very low base-range | Very high fire-rate

Very high coal-price (240'000) | ...  ... *scratching head* ... ... ... ... ... *chirping grasshoppers* ... ... ... ... I add it, if i find something 

 

[ColonelPete]

7 hours ago, _Nexis981_ said:

 

 

So if a Smolensk get rushed by dd's, it is certainly dead. Because it is not able to kill a dd fast enough

 

Woot? 

Smolensk has the perfect guns for DD killing.