How do YOU guys play Gneisenau ?

[lafeel]

1 hour ago, Grossadmiral_H_invader said:

btw, are they buffing könig too? That ship has Sigma 2.0 and plays like a railgun even now.

 

They didn't specify which German BB's were being buffed so..

[ColonelPete]

3 minutes ago, lafeel said:

They didn't specify which German BB's were being buffed so..

All german BB....

[lafeel]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

All german BB....

I stand corrected, really did not get enogh sleep tonight (essentially none)

[Grossadmiral_H_invader]

Vor 14 Minuten, ColonelPete sagte:

All german BB....

That means König is finally borderline OP :D

 

I think if they really buff the German BBs, I will certainly get the Gneisenau back.

 

I sold my Kurfürst a couple of weeks ago, since the Hightier Meta is not developing in a good direction imho.

 

I took the credits and bought back a fully equipped Bismarck, I also won a permanent cammo for Bis. I actually enjoy Tier X matches in Bimarck way more, I just play her like a heavy cruiser. When being Hightier, she can be played like a BB. You see everything, from Tier 6 to Tier 10, which makes playing Bismarck a far more diverse experience.

 

Dispersion Buff would be a huge Buff for the Gneisenau, since her only real weakness is the low amount of barrels with subpar dispersion. And imho that guns setup is necessary to balance her strenghts.

 

The skill floor for being effective in Gneisenau is certainly the highest among Tier 7, but so is her potential in the hands of a good player.

 

I am somewhat afrait, that this buff will rise her skill floor a little, but the potential dramatically.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, Grossadmiral_H_invader said:

That means König is finally borderline OP :D

She will be strong, but the change is not big.

She has Sigma 1.8 and not 2.0 as you claimed.

[Grossadmiral_H_invader]

Vor 22 Minuten, ColonelPete sagte:

She will be strong, but the change is not big.

She has Sigma 1.8 and not 2.0 as you claimed.

König?

 

König is, as far as I am concerned, the only german BB with 2.0 Sigma.
 

Flamu has pointed this out.
 

According to the fitting tool it has sigma 1.8, just looked it up. This surprised me.

 

It seems like the sigma was nerfed in 2017.

 

I am playing Kaiser and König frequently and there is a significant difference in gun consistency. The König is way more accurate. 

 

 

 

 

[Jean_Bart]

Praise God i won Bismarck from a mission and didn't have to play that useless Gneisenau!

[CptMinia]

21 hours ago, Jean_Bart said:

I don't feel compelled to prove anything to anybody, let alone to people like YOU!

I am puzzled why you are more inclined to believe a bogus site than my word as a gentleman!

What I say complies with the truth and it has nothing to do with you having or lacking a visual proof that i have played the ship and/or how much! Objecting my arguments on the matter is going to make me think it is YOU who are out of touch with german battleships!

 

Why i hide my stats?! I hide them so they will not be used against me by bogus sites or mods used by other people in game to concentrate fire on me deliberately while in battle. I have the right to withould my stats from other players and i intend to use it! Deal with it!

 

P.S. If you have anything against my thsesis, explain it! I remark that the game mechanics has little to do with my personal stats, so don't mix both things up!

Hello again,

                     I've yet to see anything gentleman-like come from you. You are adamant about the truth or facts and yet you also refuse to accept the facts which statistics and numbers provide. Correct, solid numbers do not lie. The way they are interpreted is where mistakes are made. So considering statistics and experience are out of the question to back up your own claims, what else can you offer that will back up your opinion? If you expect people to simply take your advice, opinion or belief without knowing anything about you then you're living in a fictional world. That or you're here just to provoke people, so if you have nothing constructive to add to this topic then kindly move along.

 

 

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In reply to the OP,

                              I've never played Gneisenau but I have enjoyed the Scharnhorst. Despite the obvious difference that is the main battery I've had a lot of success playing Scharnie in a kiting role, they are fast battleships which can change flanks and positions relatively efficiently thanks to the speed and armour. With the limited caliber of the Scharnhorst you have to constantly exploit enemy broadsides to get those high-damage games. It's an important skill to learn which falls under situational awareness and is something you can use in any ship class. Scharnie I think just requires that bit more attention in that area to really get the best out of her and I would consider Gneisenau to have that same trait. I also see them both, especially Scharnie, as cruiser killers rather than battleships designed to sink other battleships. Focusing cruisers is something which you don't have to prioritise, but definitely think of it as a beneficial choice, should the matchmaking favour you.

 

Kind regards,

                       Minia

[HaachamaShipping]

8 hours ago, CptMinia said:

In reply to the OP,

                              I've never played Gneisenau but I have enjoyed the Scharnhorst. Despite the obvious difference that is the main battery I've had a lot of success playing Scharnie in a kiting role, they are fast battleships which can change flanks and positions relatively efficiently thanks to the speed and armour. With the limited caliber of the Scharnhorst you have to constantly exploit enemy broadsides to get those high-damage games. It's an important skill to learn which falls under situational awareness and is something you can use in any ship class. Scharnie I think just requires that bit more attention in that area to really get the best out of her and I would consider Gneisenau to have that same trait. I also see them both, especially Scharnie, as cruiser killers rather than battleships designed to sink other battleships. Focusing cruisers is something which you don't have to prioritise, but definitely think of it as a beneficial choice, should the matchmaking favour you.

 

Kind regards,

                       Minia

Scharnhorst is more of a cruiser killer, but Gneisenau is not. Gneisenau at T7 is one of the best anti-BB platforms at the tier. Given as a BB it still deals well with cruisers, that keeps it quite good, but the main strength of Gneisenau is how easily it can dispatch of enemy BBs, compared to other BBs at T7. The bigger gun caliber make Gneisenau less dependant on actually finding broadsides, as you can just overmatch if necessary and that also is what makes it such a good anti-BB platform. It is fast, it is tanky, you cannot angle against it, while the whole midsection can bounce Musashi shells if necessary, it has 3 torps per side and the best T7 secondaries with 31 mm base pen. It is basically ideal to rush down other T7 BBs, especially those with worse mobility and dumpster them from close up. Scharnhorst can't do that. 

[samphilconlor]

2 hours ago, Sleepy_Bunny said:

Scharnhorst is more of a cruiser killer, but Gneisenau is not. Gneisenau at T7 is one of the best anti-BB platforms at the tier. Given as a BB it still deals well with cruisers, that keeps it quite good, but the main strength of Gneisenau is how easily it can dispatch of enemy BBs, compared to other BBs at T7. The bigger gun caliber make Gneisenau less dependant on actually finding broadsides, as you can just overmatch if necessary and that also is what makes it such a good anti-BB platform. It is fast, it is tanky, you cannot angle against it, while the whole midsection can bounce Musashi shells if necessary, it has 3 torps per side and the best T7 secondaries with 31 mm base pen. It is basically ideal to rush down other T7 BBs, especially those with worse mobility and dumpster them from close up. Scharnhorst can't do that. 

 

^ This

 

Just finished watching Shipstorm a 3 x 3 tournament on Flamu's stream EU vs NA, "Omega" for the EU took a Gneisenau "Smolensk Is Fine" took a Sinop.

 

Final battle came down to SIF's Sinop pushing around an island 10Km away from the Gneisenau, trying to sneak up on a cruiser. However the Gneisenau intercepted and torped him to oblivion.

 

Like I say YMMV but i rate the Gneisenau and if competitive teams play it in tournaments it definitely has it's place.

[lafeel]

3 hours ago, Sleepy_Bunny said:

Scharnhorst is more of a cruiser killer, but Gneisenau is not. Gneisenau at T7 is one of the best anti-BB platforms at the tier. Given as a BB it still deals well with cruisers, that keeps it quite good, but the main strength of Gneisenau is how easily it can dispatch of enemy BBs, compared to other BBs at T7. The bigger gun caliber make Gneisenau less dependant on actually finding broadsides, as you can just overmatch if necessary and that also is what makes it such a good anti-BB platform. It is fast, it is tanky, you cannot angle against it, while the whole midsection can bounce Musashi shells if necessary, it has 3 torps per side and the best T7 secondaries with 31 mm base pen. It is basically ideal to rush down other T7 BBs, especially those with worse mobility and dumpster them from close up. Scharnhorst can't do that. 

To be fair Scharny is more than capable of doing bad things to BB's as well if they show broadside to her.

[HaachamaShipping]

31 minutes ago, lafeel said:

To be fair Scharny is more than capable of doing bad things to BB's as well if they show broadside to her.

And if not, it can get wrecked by other BBs, as stuff like Lyon and KGV will HE spam it down, Nagato, Colorado and Sinop can snipe its nose. Scharnhorst is not incapable against BBs, but it is far more oriented towards killing cruisers, whereas Gneisenau is the opposite, worse against same tier and lower tier cruisers most of the time, better against BB. But still able to wreck cruisers when it hits.

[Jean_Bart]

 

On 12/15/2019 at 11:20 AM, CptMinia said:

... you also refuse to accept the facts which statistics and numbers provide. Correct, solid numbers do not lie. The way they are interpreted is where mistakes are made.

I have covered this very same subject, but apparently you didn't read (or understand it):

1. Gneisenau has the lowest DPM among ALL battleships in its tier (and even worse than many lower tiers) - UNOBJECTIONABLE TRUTH!

2. Gneisenau has the fewest number of main guns among all battleships in its tier - UNOBJECTIONABLE TRUTH!

3. Gneisenau has one of the worst main guns' accuracies for a battleship in its tier - UNOBJECTIONABLE TRUTH!

4. All these are of critical importance for ANY battleship's performance and shortcomings in such qualities can hardly be offset by other qualities!

I still wonder why you and few others continue objecting the unobjectionable! I am still waiting you to prove any of these 4 points to be wrong!

P.S.1. Do not seek "proof" for that in my stats - it is not there!

On 12/15/2019 at 7:44 PM, Sleepy_Bunny said:

 Gneisenau ... the whole midsection can bounce Musashi shells

Tier Xs can hardly make 460 mm shells bounce even bow on, but you think Gneisenau's "midsection" somehow can...HOW COME?!

On 12/15/2019 at 11:48 PM, Sleepy_Bunny said:

And if not, it can get wrecked by other BBs, as stuff like Lyon and KGV will HE spam it down, Nagato, Colorado and Sinop can snipe its nose. Scharnhorst is not incapable against BBs, but it is far more oriented towards killing cruisers, whereas Gneisenau is the opposite, worse against same tier and lower tier cruisers most of the time, better against BB. But still able to wreck cruisers when it hits.

Gneisenau is underperforming against just about any ship in the tiers it encounters. Sharnhorst is a bit more competitive (I alredy mentioned why).

P.S.2. That "when it hits" made my day!

[HaachamaShipping]

1 minute ago, Jean_Bart said:

Tier Xs can hardly make 460 mm shells bounce even bow on, but you think Gneisenau's "midsection" somehow can...HOW COME?!

Because the deck is 50 mm thick, the sides are 45 mm, except for the 350 mm belt. None of that gets overmatched by 460 mm. Additionally, the lower bow is 70 mm, so even a hit on the bow might bounce. Basic game mechanics, that's how.

[Nadrick]

Please remember to stay on-topic - Or take private conversations to PM's. Final warning for all.

[LadyJess]

On 10/21/2019 at 12:59 PM, RaDDoXPL said:

How do you guys play Gneisenau effectively?

And by that I mean consistently get around 100k dmg per battle

 

1.)

I'm terrible in this ship no matter what I try to do.

Gneisenau's main battery is just frustrating beyond measure at long range and it does not deal damage reliably.

So whenever I exchange fire with a cruiser I get HE spammed into oblivion. 

And no, RNG does not bless me with some random citadel hits.

 

2.)

Whenever I try to get close and brawl I get torpedoed into oblivion by both DDs and cruisers.

Even without getting torpedoed I'm always getting scrapped by enemy team focusing their fire on me because, of course, the rest of my team stays behind because, unlike me, they can deal damage from behind.

 

And of course, you can't brawl with cruisers, because they can just outrun you (see point 1.))

 

So how do YOU guys avoid these things when brawling with your Gneisenaus ?

 

 

 

Gneisenau is classified as a Battleship, Run this ship as you wold a Cruiser, you will get better results.

[Jean_Bart]

8 hours ago, LadyJess said:

Gneisenau is classified as a Battleship, Run this ship as you wold a Cruiser, you will get better results.

Or rather play KGV or Sinop instead!

[Trooper909]

I know I am not very experienced at the game.

Even with the accuracy "buff" you still miss aircraft carriers.

 

From 15km.

 

That are parked.

 

Broadside on.

 

Than you delete a DD from 20km with one salvo next game.