Penetration ribbon with overpenetration damage

[_DemonGuard_]

Is it only me or did anyone else notice this as well? Lately, I get tons of AP penetration ribbons, but the actual damage dealt is exactly the overpenetration damage. I think it is since the last patch. Did they introduce a new bug?

[Srle_Vigilante]

If you don't mind ill throw this one in as well

[DFens_666]

Thats actually a "bugfix" where Penetrations didnt cause any damage. To fix it a little bit, certain penetrations now deal overpen damage instead of no damage at all. F.e. you penetrate at a secondary battery, you will get overpen damage, because if you would overpenetrate that battery in the first place, you would also receive overpen damage.

[_DemonGuard_]

7 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Thats actually a "bugfix" where Penetrations didnt cause any damage. To fix it a little bit, certain penetrations now deal overpen damage instead of no damage at all. F.e. you penetrate at a secondary battery, you will get overpen damage, because if you would overpenetrate that battery in the first place, you would also receive overpen damage.

Wasn't that "bugfix" a while ago?

And if that's the reason, why didn't WG change it to show an overpenetration ribbon then? Ok, who am i kidding here, it's WG. Of course they didn't do it the obvious way, instead they are showing a penetration ribbon for a no longer existing AA/secondary gun and give me the overpenetration damage, because they reworked the ribbons to better match the shown ribbons with the actual damage...makes sense.

[nambr9]

Penetration mechanics is one big BS.

 

When I shoot broadside target at close range on waterline and lets say I get 6 hits (grouped closely together) and the game gives me 2x of each ribbon ... I loose my will to play.

 

Or instances where you deal nothing but overpens, but when the target has 2k HP left you suddenly get 4 citadels....

 

BS.

[kfa]

18 minutes ago, nambr9 said:

Penetration mechanics is one big BS.

 

When I shoot broadside target at close range on waterline and lets say I get 6 hits (grouped closely together) and the game gives me 2x of each ribbon ... I loose my will to play.

 

Or instances where you deal nothing but overpens, but when the target has 2k HP left you suddenly get 4 citadels....

 

BS.

I think Flambass had recently a fight in his DesMoines vs a Montana on 10+ km and after 60 shells the killing blow was a 1100 HP citadel... 

[Sir_Grzegorz]

1 hour ago, nambr9 said:

2k HP left you suddenly get 4 citadels....

Please provide screenshot of that.

It is common to get 1 citadel at low health targets. To get 4 citadels there must be something wrong with citadel damage calculations and that was never mentioned in here before.

 

OP please remember that penetrations on most DDs count as overpens but do show penetration ribbon.

[kfa]

1 minute ago, Sir_Grzegorz said:

Please provide screenshot of that.

It is common to get 1 citadel at low health targets. To get 4 citadels there must be something wrong with citadel damage calculations and that was never mentioned in here before.

 

OP please remember that penetrations on most DDs count as overpens but do show penetration ribbon.

Most likely it was sarcasm... 

[nambr9]

11 minutes ago, Sir_Grzegorz said:

Please provide screenshot of that.

It is common to get 1 citadel at low health targets. To get 4 citadels there must be something wrong with citadel damage calculations and that was never mentioned in here before.

 

OP please remember that penetrations on most DDs count as overpens but do show penetration ribbon.

 

 

Let me reverse time and make a screenshot (can't help  it ... I am watching Dark series now) ;) 

Or better ... let me find the game in my replay folder .... :D

 

It was an OPS game ... might be different there ... but yes I admit It only happened to me once to score 4 of them in a final shot.

But that one citadel when the target is low is VERY common.

 

@kfa

Actually I was serious there :)

 

[Sir_Grzegorz]

3 minutes ago, nambr9 said:

Let me reverse time and make a screenshot. Or better ... let me find the game in my replay folder ....

Be so kind and in future do report such things, even if it will not help it will not make things worse... hopefully.

 

One of the issues is that people do not report bugs. Other thing is that mechanics is not that clear.

[nambr9]

40 minutes ago, Sir_Grzegorz said:

Be so kind and in future do report such things, even if it will not help it will not make things worse... hopefully.

 

One of the issues is that people do not report bugs. Other thing is that mechanics is not that clear.

 

Unfortunately I think WG does not consider this as a bug but rather game mechanics driven heavily by RNG.

 

 

[Procrastes]

3 hours ago, nambr9 said:

Or instances where you deal nothing but overpens, but when the target has 2k HP left you suddenly get 4 citadels....

The only reasonable interpretation of such an occurrence, is that the universe hates you.

I share your pain. There are times when the universe hates me, too.

[The_Reichtangle]

10 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

Thats actually a "bugfix" where Penetrations didnt cause any damage. To fix it a little bit, certain penetrations now deal overpen damage instead of no damage at all. F.e. you penetrate at a secondary battery, you will get overpen damage, because if you would overpenetrate that battery in the first place, you would also receive overpen damage.

I noticed the opposite though, had some overpenetration ribbons displayed and dealt a full penetration damage. Something seems whacky lately.

[Fat_Maniac]

4 hours ago, kfa said:

I think Flambass had recently a fight in his DesMoines vs a Montana on 10+ km and after 60 shells the killing blow was a 1100 HP citadel... 

I was in a div with a clan mate, he got a citadel hit and ribbon awarded but with overpen dmg , on a full health target 

[kfa]

7 minutes ago, Fat_Maniac said:

I was in a div with a clan mate, he got a citadel hit and ribbon awarded but with overpen dmg , on a full health target 

Well its still better than the old 3 Yamato pens for 0 dmg ribbons... I guess... 

[DFens_666]

26 minutes ago, The_Reichtangle said:

I noticed the opposite though, had some overpenetration ribbons displayed and dealt a full penetration damage. Something seems whacky lately.

 

But those ive had always Best one was 2 Overpens on Hindi for 11k with Missouri

Alltho, a shell should be able to overpen one section, and still detonate in another, thus dealing Overpen+pen damage. Shouldnt even be a bug.

 

2 hours ago, nambr9 said:

But that one citadel when the target is low is VERY common. 

 

Yeah, i know many people who complain about that. Must be intentional IMO.

[Fat_Maniac]

3 hours ago, nambr9 said:

But that one citadel when the target is low is VERY common.

I wonder if this is WG's implementation of a mercy killing mechanic 

[mtm78]

50 minutes ago, Fat_Maniac said:

I wonder if this is WG's implementation of a mercy killing mechanic 

Nope that would be the low hp detonations, at least the victim get's some flags and unlike detonating from full hp, when you do it with a few 100hp those flags don't feel nearly as much of consolidation price

[_DemonGuard_]

3 hours ago, Fat_Maniac said:

I was in a div with a clan mate, he got a citadel hit and ribbon awarded but with overpen dmg , on a full health target 

Most funny thing i got so far, was a kill with a ricochet.

[Fat_Maniac]

41 minutes ago, _DemonGuard_ said:

Most funny thing i got so far, was a kill with a ricochet.

That could only be funnier if the ricochet was into a team mate and you went pink.

 

I wonder if anybody has had that?

[DFens_666]

1 minute ago, Fat_Maniac said:

That could only be funnier if the ricochet was into a team mate and you went pink.

 

I wonder if anybody has had that?

 

One shell can only hit one ship. I actually wanted to know at some point, parking 2 ships next to each other, overpenetrating the first and hitting the 2nd - doesnt work. Even if the shells overpenetrate, they dont do anything to the ship behind.

[Major_Damage225]

7 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

 

One shell can only hit one ship. I actually wanted to know at some point, parking 2 ships next to each other, overpenetrating the first and hitting the 2nd - doesnt work. Even if the shells overpenetrate, they dont do anything to the ship behind.

I asked long ago something similar, that if richoshets from one target can deal damage to another, like in WoT, but no, once the shell hits i supose it gose from phisical to phantom. 

Would be hillarious tho, to have a shell bounce off one target and detonate a ship next to the target ship. 

[mtm78]

1 hour ago, _DemonGuard_ said:

Most funny thing i got so far, was a kill with a ricochet.

 

How about detonating a DD with an HE shell which didn't even hit him? Happened to me, happend to strangers123 but sadly as he was streaming you can actually look that up on his twitch channel clips. 

[_DemonGuard_]

14 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

How about detonating a DD with an HE shell which didn't even hit him? Happened to me, happend to strangers123 but sadly as he was streaming you can actually look that up on his twitch channel clips. 

Something like this?

That's just a stupid game mechanic working as intended.

 

But can you explain me how i did get overpenetration damage with a HE shell?

 

[mtm78]

1 minute ago, _DemonGuard_ said:

That's just a stupid game mechanic working as intended.

Afaik the mechanic which allowed this was changed, detonation threshold I think. Remember, I said full hp, you already took damage from the gearing before the Ibuki detonated you ( eg you were < 75% hp ). 

 

But I also thought they removed detonation possibility just based on explosive radius, guess I was wrong