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Suggestion for New T9 UK Supercruiser: HMS Incomparable (1937)

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Hi All, 

 

So I was reading a book on battlecruisers (Battlecruisers: A History by Richard Bassett), and it mentioned a certain HMS Incomparable, I think she sounds like a good idea.  Unfortunately, in RL apparently she was intended to have 20"cm guns, and to be roughly the size of the Bismarck. 

 

But if we put in a fictional refit to comply with the Washington naval treaty ( which stipulated 15" maximum guns, but 18" could be more fun :P ), and throw in some additional AA, we have a very nice T9 super cruiser. 

 

She could go 35 knots, had almost no armour apart from 18" on the citadel, and was almost as big as the Vanguard. 

 

We'd have a pretty fun ship, for a gimmick, how about only giving her HE shells? Also her draft appeared to be quite low, so maybe give her immunity to deep running torpedoes? 

 

With acceptable armour, absurd speed, high HP, slow reload, we could get a unique play style while adding to the super cruiser roster.

 

What do people think? She sounds completely insane, and I'm sure she'd be great fun!!! 

 

btw the wikipedia page for her is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Incomparable 

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That sounds pretty cool. So basically a KV-2 in World of warships but one with actual speed lol. Guessing she will have below avg turn rates as well?

 

Also what about AA?

 

If they were to do 508's guess wargaming would have to create tier's 11 and 12. Since i doubt they want something that could overmatch 40mm's of plating.

 

Lets see how this develops.

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5 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

That sounds pretty cool. So basically a KV-2 in World of warships but one with actual speed lol. Guessing she will have below avg turn rates as well?

 

Also what about AA?

 

If they were to do 508's guess wargaming would have to create tier's 11 and 12. Since i doubt they want something that could overmatch 40mm's of plating.

 

Lets see how this develops.

That could be an option, maybe keep the 20" as a HE only spam cannon and the 15" as the viable guns with decent AP? 

 

I don't know tbh, the aa should probably not be amazing as it was a WWI era design, but it shouldn't be terrible. That being said, I could do with some more AP bait for my enty. 

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4 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

they were to do 508's guess wargaming would have to create tier's 11 and 12.

WG stated repeatedly that no gun will surpass the 460's of the Yamato since there were numerous threads about the super Yamato, H44 and alike, tho they also sayd no subs but thats for the other threads. 

H45 with 4x2 800mm schwerer gustav's anyone? :Smile_veryhappy:

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6 minutes ago, Major_Damage225 said:

WG stated repeatedly that no gun will surpass the 460's of the Yamato since there were numerous threads about the super Yamato, H44 and alike, tho they also sayd no subs but thats for the other threads. 

H45 with 4x2 800mm schwerer gustav's anyone? :Smile_veryhappy:

But if you bear in mind that the Washington treaty banned guns over 15"s, you can get a fairly decent super cruiser, like an Alaska with bigger guns. 

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26 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

But if you bear in mind that the Washington treaty banned guns over 15"s, you can get a fairly decent super cruiser, like an Alaska with bigger guns. 

or you could, you know, pick a hull that has had at least a little bit more common sense go into its design than Jacky Fishers ultimate pipedream... as amusing as Incomparable is:Smile_teethhappy:

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15 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

or you could, you know, pick a hull that has had at least a little bit more common sense go into its design than Jacky Fishers ultimate pipedream... as amusing as Incomparable is:Smile_teethhappy:

But if we only had sensible ships, we wouldn't have a fun and interesting game...  We need the weird ships as well as the serious, how else do you justify the Yamato, Nelson or the Atlanta?

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6 hours ago, Major_Damage225 said:

WG stated repeatedly that no gun will surpass the 460's of the Yamato since there were numerous threads about the super Yamato, H44 and alike, tho they also sayd no subs but thats for the other threads. 

H45 with 4x2 800mm schwerer gustav's anyone? :Smile_veryhappy:

Do you still believe what WG says? After the announcement for the U-boats? Even when they stated many times that there wont be u-boats in the game?
Dont trust WG!!! They are evil! :Smile_veryhappy:

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18 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

We need the weird ships

The French are the champions when it comes to that. 

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Too bad WG ignores the early era, the lower tiers could have been glorious. 

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12 minutes ago, Major_Damage225 said:

The French are the champions when it comes to that. 

 

Are those openings for cannons?

Like the ships of napoleonic era?

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26 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

But if we only had sensible ships, we wouldn't have a fun and interesting game...  We need the weird ships as well as the serious, how else do you justify the Yamato, Nelson or the Atlanta?

not sure I'd classify Yamato as weird in any particular way... grandiose, maybe, but other than a little bit of overcompensation syndrome she was a relatively normal huge-and-rapidly-obsolete BB... she could be weird if WG gave her the main caliber AA shells tho (but then they bloody better also implement UP launchers for the Royal Navy, same kind of useless-but-pretty fireworks) :Smile_teethhappy:

 

And Atlanta's just specialised, same concept popped up (and worked) for a number of navies (WG GIB DIDO ALREADY FFS :Smile_izmena:)

 

 

And I really dont know how you'd ever classify Incomparable as a cruiser ingame - the bloody thing's larger than a Lion class, and that's a WW2 era full battleship design that sits pretty (well, at least it sits...) at T9... and easily 50% larger than Alaska or B-65 for that matter... okay, minus a little bit for your proposed 15" refit, but still, that's not gonna make up 15k tons... And with 6x15" on that hilarious size she's also not really gonna work particularly well as a BB at any tier; armament kinda limits that to T6 at the very best, and there you've already got QE and the Grand Old Lady (which by the way are near enough the same displacement as Alaska)... so yeah, tough to fit her in I think, just waaaaay too out of this world a design...

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5 minutes ago, Zemeritt said:

 

Are those openings for cannons?

Like the ships of napoleonic era?

Those would be some wierd portholes, mabe to help the crew fire theyr rifles through idk.

And nope, theyr not napoleonic era, late 1880's early 1900's. :Smile_honoring:

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1 minute ago, Major_Damage225 said:

Those would be some wierd portholes, mabe to help the crew fire theyr rifkes through. And nope, theyr not napoleonic era, late 1880's early 1900's. :Smile_honoring:

 

I know they're ironclads, I just thought all thoses holes were for cannons.

Would've been fun to have all those cannons

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3 minutes ago, Zemeritt said:

I know they're ironclads

Theyr not ironclads, ol chap. 

First is the French predrednought Carnot circa 1896

Second is the protected cruiser Charels Martel circa 1890ish

Third is another predrednought, came across whilst looking for Carnot. 

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9 minutes ago, Tyrendian89 said:

Incomparable as a cruiser ingame - the bloody thing's larger than a Lion class

Well at least they got the name right :Smile_teethhappy:

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I'm still hoping for a second branch of British battleships but focused on Battlecruisers, have a post refit Hood as the tier 8, and a 18 inch modernised Incomparable as the tier 10. 

 

Considering WG have always said Yamato would have the biggest guns I'm fine with them sticking to the rule (at least until they choose to break it which they inevitably will). 

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39 minutes ago, Major_Damage225 said:

The French are the champions when it comes to that. 

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Too bad WG ignores the early era, the lower tiers could have been glorious. 

 

Ah the hotels back when tumblehome hulls were all the rage, would love to see these as tier 2 premiums 

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1 minute ago, lovelacebeer said:

 

Ah the hotels back when tumblehome hulls were all the rage, would love to see these as tier 2 premiums 

The world: sloped armour may work. 

The french: turn a ship upside down and bolt on guns. 

 

I mean, theyr soo fugly that they become pretty. 

T2 should have been reserved for the early era ships, in my book WG missed a nice opurtunity with it. :Smile_sceptic:

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43 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

I'm still hoping for a second branch of British battleships but focused on Battlecruisers, have a post refit Hood as the tier 8, and a 18 inch modernised Incomparable as the tier 10. 

 

Considering WG have always said Yamato would have the biggest guns I'm fine with them sticking to the rule (at least until they choose to break it which they inevitably will). 

I can't see them putting a WWI era design as the pinnacle of warship design, somehow I can't see it.... 

 

I can see her as a tier 9 premium though. 

 

Btw for the tangent onto the French battleships, there were five of them, the 2nd to the 6th in this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battleships_of_France#Jauréguiberry 

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13 minutes ago, black_falcon120 said:

I can't see them putting a WWI era design as the pinnacle of warship design, somehow I can't see it.... 

 

I can see her as a tier 9 premium though. 

 

Btw for the tangent onto the French battleships, there were five of them, the 2nd to the 6th in this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battleships_of_France#Jauréguiberry 

 

 

The reason I suggested a heavily modernised Incomparable as the tier 10 is because the Conqueror is originally based on a 1920s design, I think it's the J3 but I admit I could be wrong as to which one of the designs it was WG used. 

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3 hours ago, black_falcon120 said:

But if you bear in mind that the Washington treaty banned guns over 15"s, you can get a fairly decent super cruiser, like an Alaska with bigger guns. 

Actually the Washington treaty did no such thing. The limit was 16", not 15.

 

Good luck getting all you wanted and 16in guns, and armor, on 35K tons without cheating (see North Carolina/South Dakota)

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4 minutes ago, respect_my_slavspace said:

What we actually need is hms furious in its cruiser configuration. (Hint: 2x500 guns at t2 or 3).

By game mechanics point of view it would be usless, a v-25, katori, tenryu would own it, because the guns would be soo wonky it wouldnt hit, and if it would it would just overpenn through the targets. Mabe a S carolina, myogi etc would get a hit but in realitly well, you have a better chance of making a more usefull impact to the game with this

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Gotta leave it up to the army to show the navy how it's done :Smile_trollface:

 

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1 minute ago, Major_Damage225 said:

By game mechanics point of view it would be usless, a v-25, katori, tenryu would own it, because the guns would be soo wonky it wouldnt hit, and if it would it would just overpenn through the targets. Mabe a S carolina, myogi etc would get a hit but in realitly well, you have a better chance of making a more usefull impact to the game with this

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Gotta leave it up to the army to show the navy how it's done :Smile_trollface:

 

It would overpen anything it hits, but that’s not the point. Just think of the glorious sight of a huge ship zipping around and blazing away with two gigantic cannons of doom.

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