Cruiser with great secondary range

[Pushi2]

Hey there,

 

do you perhaps know, what cruiser between tier 5 and 8 have good secondary guns with great range?

[Sargento_YO]

Almost all cruisers have rather bad secondaries. The ones that doesn't sucks THAT much are Algerie and Roon. I wonder about Zao.
However, Cleveland, Baltimore and Alaska has decent secondaries.

Sometimes I think that Cruisers should be able to manually fire their secondaries. That would be a quite different gameplay from others ships.

[Tyrendian89]

simple answer - none.

[floribe2000]

There are no cruisers with really good secondaries, especially not below T9.

I wouldn't recommend going for a secondary build with any cruiser, it's useless.

[HaachamaShipping]

No cruiser really is worth secondary speccing. The most useful might just be Leander and Graf Spee. And even there it's highly questionable.

[CptBarney]

9 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

No cruiser really is worth secondary speccing. The most useful might just be Leander and Graf Spee. And even there it's highly questionable.

What about siegfreid? dat had 7.8km didnt it?

[Major_Damage225]

Des Moines is a secondary spec meme cruiser wise, i still have Jon Seagull witch is full AA specced, side effect is max secondary (From the old days) and i have to say, ima keep him

It's the only cruiser i have in that spec tho, so for the others i wouldnt know. 

[HaachamaShipping]

Just now, CptBarney said:

What about siegfreid? dat had 7.8km didnt it?

Not out yet. Final stats might change.

 

Also, for comparison, Yoshino secs have 6 km range and are about as potent, Gneisenau secs are better. Sec speccing a Siegfried seems like a waste.

[CptBarney]

1 minute ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Not out yet. Final stats might change.

 

Also, for comparison, Yoshino secs have 6 km range and are about as potent, Gneisenau secs are better. Sec speccing a Siegfried seems like a waste.

oh i thought she had lots o little guns because of how chonky she was with dem 381's.

 

wait secs does gneisenau has? aren't they 152's or 128mms?

[HaachamaShipping]

Just now, CptBarney said:

oh i thought she had lots o little guns because of how chonky she was with dem 381's.

 

wait secs does gneisenau has? aren't they 152's or 128mms?

11x2 128s on Gneisenau, max of 6x2 per side.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Moskva has I believe the longest ranged secondaries.

 

still not worth building for.

[1MajorKoenig]

22 minutes ago, Pushi2 said:

Hey there,

 

do you perhaps know, what cruiser between tier 5 and 8 have good secondary guns with great range?

 

Roon at T9 - but what the others said - it’s a waste.

 

I used a Sec Build on Roon (and in contrast to a more serious Hindenburg build) just for the lulz before the advent of all these HE spammers. You know - you used to be able to brawl with cruisers long time ago :-)

[CptBarney]

4 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

11x2 128s on Gneisenau, max of 6x2 per side.

Oh, was expecting 12x2 per side.

 

Actually that might be a bit mental lol.

 

I'm wondering if there will ever be a cruiser with gud secondaries (caliber, ROF, Range, Accuracy).

 

Or even them H43 proposals.

[ColonelPete]

Even with good range and good secondaries, it is a VERY bad idea to spec a cruiser for secondaries.

You either cannot use them or you are suicidal.

[HaachamaShipping]

9 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Moskva has I believe the longest ranged secondaries.

 

still not worth building for.

Stalingrad matches it, but has more.

[invicta2012]

Leander, Huang He and Perth can get out to 6.5k range with the right modules and captain skills but, while they are useful, you've got other things to be worrying about at those ranges. Fiji and Edinburgh can too, but don't try it in those ships. 

 

The only cruiser which I think could be a secondary monster is the Graf Spee class. An Admiral Scheer based around brawling might be quite fun.

[MadBadDave]

50 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Not out yet. Final stats might change.

 

Also, for comparison, Yoshino secs have 6 km range and are about as potent, Gneisenau secs are better. Sec speccing a Siegfried seems like a waste.

Gneisenau’s secondaries are better than Bismarck’s in spite of the distance difference, (11.3 km vs 8km), imho.

Cruiser wise Fiji and Indy, are not bad at T7. 

[HaachamaShipping]

2 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

Gneisenau’s secondaries are better than Bismarck’s in spite of the distance difference, (11.3 km vs 8km), imho.

Cruiser wise Fiji and Indy, are not bad at T7. 

Brawling in Indy...

[IanH755]

Remember that the manual secondaries skill is still poor upto T6 and its only from T7 up that you get a 60% accuracy buff (it's only about 15% at T6 and lower). 

[MadBadDave]

2 hours ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Brawling in Indy...

Never it’s armour is paper thin, however the seconds can and do scare off dd’s that get too close. They can also give you the edge in a cruiser vs cruiser low hp fight to the death.

 

Speccing full manual below T8 isn’t worth it.

[rnat]

2 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

however the seconds can and do scare off dd’s that get too close

Either they have torps and kill you or they don't and run for their lives.

Any DD worth their salt won't care about your secondaries unless he's at <1k hp and well withing yolo-torp range.

 

4 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

They can also give you the edge in a cruiser vs cruiser low hp fight to the death.

Wasting a captain for a 1/1000 situation that you might have won from the get-go had you invested in your main-battery+survivability/utility.

Sounds reasonable.

[lafeel]

4 hours ago, Pushi2 said:

Hey there,

 

do you perhaps know, what cruiser between tier 5 and 8 have good secondary guns with great range?

You're not going to like the answer, but the answer is none. Siegfried may be about to change this but she's tier 9.

[Captn_Crap]

5 hours ago, Pushi2 said:

Hey there,

 

do you perhaps know, what cruiser between tier 5 and 8 have good secondary guns with great range?

Atago has the highest base range until T9 with 5,5 km. Can go up to 8,3 km. Her secondaries are still useless though (bad RoF, accuracy and turret angles).

 

But I do have a full secondary build on my Edinburgh. Got a few witherers already. But not a very efficent build.

 

[Miscommunication_dept]

If you really want secondaries:

Currently the Sieigfried has 14 128mm guns with 31mm of HE pen and a base range of 7.6 km.

That's 11.4km(roughly) with  AFT and the module. Siegfried also has the armour  to brawl (for a cruiser).

 

Any idea how they will sell this ship?

Hoping for freeXP.

[Kartoffelmos]

Does the Atlanta qualify? 

 

Unless it is for ribbons/missions, there is simply no reason to even consider cruiser secondaries. If you (for some reason) want them for brawling, look for ships with good torpedo launching angles instead.