What about Tier 2 & Tier 4 Submarines?

[ColaholicA]

Hey there folks, 

 

With Submarines being in testing since a while a while back, I have wondered why WG have decided to start the Submarine Tech Trees at Tier 6. There are quite a few classes of submarines from the WW1 and inter-war period that could be used for lower tier submarines. The myriad of U-boat classes of the Imperial German Navy and the N- and O-classes of the U.S. Navy come to mind here.

 

What are you guys thought on this subject? Is there a place for lower tier submarines, and if so, should the trees start at Tier 2 or Tier 4?

[ColonelPete]

There is no place for subs at all.

They are a failed concept. WG had to give subs DD attributes to make them playable.

[Comrad_StaIin]

18 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

There is no place for subs at all.

They are failed concept. WG had to give subs DD attributes to make them playable.

can you back that up with stats like you always do?

[Major_Damage225]

I wouldnt put subs on T4 and lower, many new players struggle as it is, no need to make it a bigger meatgrinder. 

Just my opinion.

There is a quasi sub on T2 already, the v-25. 

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, Kaseko said:

can you back that up with stats like you always do?

You should read more of my posts.

And I am sure you can read up on the attributes of historical subs and subs from the test server yourself.

[Rhineheart_Thor]

2 minutes ago, Major_Damage225 said:

I wouldnt put subs on T4 and lower, many new players struggle as it is, no need to make it a bigger meatgrinder. 

Just my opinion.

There is a quasi sub on T2 already, the v-25. 

I can not wait for T4 Subs

 

Hello Hosho

 

 

[Bear__Necessities]

57 minutes ago, ColaholicA said:

Hey there folks, 

 

With Submarines being in testing since a while a while back, I have wondered why WG have decided to start the Submarine Tech Trees at Tier 6. There are quite a few classes of submarines from the WW1 and inter-war period that could be used for lower tier submarines. The myriad of U-boat classes of the Imperial German Navy and the N- and O-classes of the U.S. Navy come to mind here.

 

What are you guys thought on this subject? Is there a place for lower tier submarines, and if so, should the trees start at Tier 2 or Tier 4?

 

[lovelacebeer]

My guess is they want to slowly introduce new players to the various unit types, so as with CVs starting at tier 4 they felt subs should start once people understand the basics of gameplay. 

[Rhineheart_Thor]

6 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

once people understand the basics of gameplay. 

How do they do that? 

 

In T2 -T3 you have Torpedo Ally and at T4 you have the CV XP Farmers.

[lovelacebeer]

1 minute ago, Orcinus1 said:

How do they do that? 

 

In T2 -T3 you have Torpedo Ally and at T4 you have the CV XP Farmers.

 

Which goes to show they don't have a lot of confidence in most people's ability to cope with Subs so introduce one problem at a time, torps then CVs and then subs. 

[Rhineheart_Thor]

Just now, lovelacebeer said:

 

Which goes to show they don't have a lot of confidence in most people's ability to cope with Subs so introduce one problem at a time, torps then CVs and then subs. 

Like I said I cant WAIT 

 

 

[Rhineheart_Thor]

I am so looking forward to all the crying in the beer in this forum, from CV players:-

 

 

[Rhineheart_Thor]

BTW

 

I found a great TX Premium Ship

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawolf-class_submarine

 

[Major_Damage225]

6 minutes ago, Orcinus1 said:

BTW

 

I found a great TX Premium Ship

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawolf-class_submarine

 

Thats T7 material at best, this is a TX premium worthy one. 

[invicta2012]

 

2 hours ago, ColaholicA said:

What are you guys thought on this subject? Is there a place for lower tier submarines, and if so, should the trees start at Tier 2 or Tier 4?

Only if we can have WW1 Prize rules at Tier II - submarines have to surface before they can sink an enemy vessel - and Q-ships. 

[El2aZeR]

1 hour ago, Orcinus1 said:

I can not wait for T4 Subs

 

Hello Hosho

 

You do realize CVs are the best sub killers by far in the current implementation?

[Rhineheart_Thor]

Just now, El2aZeR said:

 

You do realize CVs are the best sub killers by far in the current implementation?

No I didnt El2aZer 

 

 

[Rhineheart_Thor]

However @El2aZeR I will be putting long hours in testing Submarines in a training room 

 

[Rhineheart_Thor]

1 hour ago, invicta2012 said:

 

Only if we can have WW1 Prize rules at Tier II - submarines have to surface before they can sink an enemy vessel - and Q-ships. 

I honestly would buy into a long play tactical Submarine meta, where your on RTS long range patrol.

 

It would not fit into the game meta, but could easily be a separate game mode, with in WOWS  

[Selous]

I tink we need tier 15 submarines that can play in t1 + battles , come on we need WG  to be able to sells  wins , Like they do now  but boosted , tjhis game is crap already  just destroy it

[Rhineheart_Thor]

7 minutes ago, Selous said:

I tink we need tier 15 submarines that can play in t1 + battles , come on we need WG  to be able to sells  wins , Like they do now  but boosted , tjhis game is crap already  just destroy it

 

I honestly do not think WG sells wins, or I would of done it! ( I do not like losing at any thing )

 

I do not want to lose CV and I embrace Submarines, they both add some thing.

 

What " Irritates " Me is, I am trying to bring players in the game, and when My " dudes " are telling me they can not build how I wish them to ( ie play a lot of games in lower tires 1st, establish what they like and dislike and why they do or dont, then buy a premium ship they know some thing about ) because the CV,s kill's them quickly, I find it ( whats the word urmm ) 4king Annoying !

 

People can not have it both ways, ie moaning the player base is Sh1t and farm them in lower tiers, how do they get good, to coin a phase I dislike.

 

Regards.

 

 

[Major_Damage225]

1 hour ago, Selous said:

I tink we need tier 15 submarines that can play in t1 + battles , come on we need WG  to be able to sells  wins , Like they do now  but boosted , tjhis game is crap already  just destroy it

[pra3y]

3 hours ago, Major_Damage225 said:

Thats T7 material at best, this is a TX premium worthy one. 

Pft that is tier 10? More like tier 8. This is tier 10:

 

Also i found a tier 1 that WG can use:

 

 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

3 minutes ago, pra3y said:

Pft that is tier 10? More like tier 8. This is tier 10:

 

Also i found a tier 1 that WG can use:

 

 

Don't know where out found these but well done for sharing, lol

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 5 Stunden, ColaholicA sagte:

Hey there folks, 

 

With Submarines being in testing since a while a while back, I have wondered why WG have decided to start the Submarine Tech Trees at Tier 6. There are quite a few classes of submarines from the WW1 and inter-war period that could be used for lower tier submarines. The myriad of U-boat classes of the Imperial German Navy and the N- and O-classes of the U.S. Navy come to mind here.

 

What are you guys thought on this subject? Is there a place for lower tier submarines, and if so, should the trees start at Tier 2 or Tier 4?

They started to public test submarines. Using tier 6 does not necessarily mean that there will be no tier 4 submarines later. Just hold your horses and be patient.

Tier 6 usually gives you a bit more variety on the gameplay as ships have better abilities. Tier 4 might be too simplistic to test anything and higher tiers might be too advanced for a basic test. So, it is a good "in the middle" compromise.