[VLOOT] RamboCras Players 500 posts 28,710 battles Report post #1 Posted October 4, 2019 With the urge of WG to keep producing ships that increase in power via DPM, is it still fun to be in a tier 8 ship and encountering tier X OP ships? We already had ships you feared when being uptiered like the Yama and the Mino, but with the new tier X ships being released I absolutely DO NOT enjoy the game anymore when I up tiered. Encountering ships like the Kremlin, Smolensk, Stalingrad, Haregumo, Kleber, Yoshino, Colbert, Ohio, ships that outrange, outspot, outrun, outdamage you. The game really starts to suck big time being bottom tier and getting an arcade game experiences with the amount of daka daka or massive damage you take. And the matchmaking fix they did no long ago is simply not enough not to be annoyed. I know it's not good, but if I am in such a game, and the map is not good for cover, I try not to do it too conspicuous, but I yolo in so I can start another game without getting too many -1. Until 3-4 months ago, I loved the game, only game I played, I am now over 12.000 games but have recently installed EVE online and now I play 30% WOW and 70% Eve Online. I play for 3 containers so I get coal and my Clan gets 30 oil and I am done for the day. Sometimes I don't even make that anymore when I am uptiered too often. Of course, the weekend players and the Reseach Bureau (62.000 for the Ohio, seriously don't you know the effort that takes??) don't help. 4 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #2 Posted October 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, RamboCras said: With the urge of WG to keep producing ships that increase in power via DPM, is it still fun to be in a tier 8 ship and encountering tier X OP ships? We already had ships you feared when being uptiered like the Yama and the Mino, but with the new tier X ships being released I absolutely DO NOT enjoy the game anymore when I up tiered. Encountering ships like the Kremlin, Smolensk, Stalingrad, Haregumo, Kleber, Yoshino, Colbert, Ohio, ships that outrange, outspot, outrun, outdamage you. The game really starts to suck big time being bottom tier and getting an arcade game experiences with the amount of daka daka or massive damage you take. And the matchmaking fix they did no long ago is simply not enough not to be annoyed. I know it's not good, but if I am in such a game, and the map is not good for cover, I try not to do it too conspicuous, but I yolo in so I can start another game without getting too many -1. Until 3-4 months ago, I loved the game, only game I played, I am now over 12.000 games but have recently installed EVE online and now I play 30% WOW and 70% Eve Online. I play for 3 containers so I get coal and my Clan gets 30 oil and I am done for the day. Sometimes I don't even make that anymore when I am uptiered too often. Of course, the weekend players and the Reseach Bureau (62.000 for the Ohio, seriously don't you know the effort that takes??) don't help. None of the ships is "OP". And Kremlin and Ohio are very far from "daka daka"... We even have a current thread were people complain that Khaba is too weak, which outperforms Haragumo... If you give up, you cannot get better. Either go back to mid Tiers or stop playing. Otherwise you will never find enjoyment in this game. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[L4GG] Butterdoll Players 3,470 posts 11,414 battles Report post #3 Posted October 4, 2019 I just did a few games in co-op to dust off my Bismarck for the sprint.(maybe tomorrow). and I run into my first Smolesnk . I didn't went, WTF was that? Because I was already aware of it's "reputation", but... WTF was that? After 2 citadels it was gone but it limited my engagements with the following ships. (two Bismarcks). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #4 Posted October 4, 2019 First time ever I saw someone call Yoshino OP. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,379 battles Report post #5 Posted October 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said: First time ever I saw someone call Yoshino OP. Yoshino played right? 👌 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #6 Posted October 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Bear_Necessities said: Yoshino played right? 👌 Don't get me wrong, I like my Yoshino, I don't regret any coal I spent on it, I consider it a decent enough ship, but the only aspect where Yoshino outshines all other T10 cruisers is the ability to deal team damage... 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #7 Posted October 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said: Yoshino played right? 👌 Every ship OP then 5 hours ago, RamboCras said: is it still fun to be in a tier 8 ship and encountering tier X OP ships? I have much less fun being T6-7 ship in T8-9 MM. They struggle much more than T8 vs 10 imo. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,379 battles Report post #8 Posted October 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said: Don't get me wrong, I like my Yoshino, I don't regret any coal I spent on it, I consider it a decent enough ship, but the only aspect where Yoshino outshines all other T10 cruisers is the ability to deal team damage... While Yoshino is cursed for me (which I plan to rectify) she almost got me my 1st 300k game off the bat and now holds my damage record. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[501L] DrMechano Players 381 posts 4,327 battles Report post #9 Posted October 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, DFens_666 said: I have much less fun being T6-7 ship in T8-9 MM. They struggle much more than T8 vs 10 imo. Especially the tier 7 BBs, that 25mm bow can be a right pain when it comes to being uptiered but since tier 8-10 has 32mm which only the mighty Yamaushi twins can deal with head on means you stand a chance. Saying that having gone back through the IJN BB line due to the Naval Center has given me a new appreciation for the Izumo. When I first played her I rushed the crap out of the line and she has some terrible stats (like really terrible) but now thanks to the buffs shes had in the meantime as well as me learning a more yammie playstyle she is actually fairly tolerable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #10 Posted October 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said: While Yoshino is cursed for me (which I plan to rectify) she almost got me my 1st 300k game off the bat and now holds my damage record. Good luck with that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,379 battles Report post #11 Posted October 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said: Good luck with that. I’m a sucker for punishment. I mean, I like Emerald and FDG.... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KLUNJ] beercrazy [KLUNJ] Beta Tester 1,509 posts 11,905 battles Report post #12 Posted October 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Bear_Necessities said: I’m a sucker for punishment. I mean, I like Emerald and FDG.... You seriously need help pal 😬 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Bear__Necessities Players 5,291 posts 15,379 battles Report post #13 Posted October 4, 2019 Just now, beercrazy said: You seriously need help pal 😬 If it’s a trash boat... I’ll probably have it and like it 😂 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[VLOOT] RamboCras Players 500 posts 28,710 battles Report post #14 Posted October 5, 2019 Good discussion guys, thanks for the reactions. a little reaction on the yoshino, double steering module combined with its range, firechance and how precise it shoots. It’s almost impossible not to make at least a 100k damage. Actually the only ship that i will play in the center with so i can reach all caps to make fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CptBarney Players 8,127 posts 245 battles Report post #15 Posted October 5, 2019 DUn worreh, ill draw up my russian yammy when i get back home from workings. it will be the next tier 9 with 460’s! yay balans! too be honest i can see the above happening, but yeah since wargaming couldnt make superstalingrad they just had to settle with making op or broken, very good and maybe the occasional balanced ship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DIECV] LoveYouTooBuddy Players 198 posts 8,488 battles Report post #16 Posted October 5, 2019 It's fun. I like DF tho.. Spoiler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #17 Posted October 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, CptBarney said: DUn worreh, ill draw up my russian yammy when i get back home from workings. it will be the next tier 9 with 460’s! Only 9? Off to gulag with you for sabotaging Motherland war efforts 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAD] Miscommunication_dept Players 5,512 posts 24,469 battles Report post #18 Posted October 5, 2019 27 minutes ago, RamboCras said: Good discussion guys, thanks for the reactions. a little reaction on the yoshino, double steering module combined with its range, firechance and how precise it shoots. It’s almost impossible not to make at least a 100k damage. Actually the only ship that i will play in the center with so i can reach all caps to make fire. I might try that with mine. I find it so hard to use those torps. Who gives such good torps to a back line cruiser? MIght be more interesting with double rudder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHAD] Miscommunication_dept Players 5,512 posts 24,469 battles Report post #19 Posted October 5, 2019 10 hours ago, DFens_666 said: Every ship OP then I have much less fun being T6-7 ship in T8-9 MM. They struggle much more than T8 vs 10 imo. True. The armour changes are very difficult to deal with. I used to say that we might regret any matchmaking changes that effected this. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BS4] SeaWolf7 Players 1,818 posts 10,056 battles Report post #20 Posted October 5, 2019 10 hours ago, Bear_Necessities said: I’m a sucker for punishment. I mean, I like Emerald and FDG.... 16 hours ago, ColonelPete said: None of the ships is "OP". And Kremlin and Ohio are very far from "daka daka"... Kind of depends what your in though pete. We all know power creep is a real thing in this game. Look at the radar meta in this game now for example.....the difference of ship capability @ tiers 8 -10 is getting wider IMO.... We will see how tier 8 cruisers fair against "Venezia" when she arrives... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[10PTS] Varate_me_k_as_Klaiw Players 22 posts 6,984 battles Report post #21 Posted October 5, 2019 After so many O.P crap ships Tier 8 should play battles until Tier 9 top....Tier 8-10 is nt fun at ALL....i have unlocked Hakuryu.....Seatle....but i never took them....i keep my Shokaku and Cleveland and i play for fun,W/O premium until W.G understand that has become stupid crap shits at her higher Tier balance!...At my Ibuki...i gather the xps to Zao..but OFCOURSE i dint took it......why in hell I would like το buy honest ships like Zao...Hidenburg...Yamato....Henri...Montana etc.(i have an old account and i had unlocked ALL ). To play against SMOLENSK.....Worcesters....MINOTAURS and the other ridiculous O.P shits like them? Believe me...i have the COAL and with the coupon i can get Smolensk... but I hesitate .... I'm ashamed to play such ridiculous O.P crap! VICTORY is the condition in which two EQUAL strength Teams fight each other and one of them overmatch...EQUAL TEAMS! VICTORY has value when YOU overmatch the opponent human captain...when--even at your most stupid mistake move--your ship shoots 16 shells every 3,something THE SHIP dint even need your brain....That victory is garbage my fellow game mates...is only for 13 y.o players.The same players who play games in "God Mode' W.G..ONCE MORE...we dont need "God Mode" With my coal I will probably took Georgia....Has 457 but only 6..that is nt O.P my dear W.G...you CAN give honest fun ships...sometimes you choose to testing our patient!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...We hav nt.....so...Nerf your crap's ship to become playable pls! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #22 Posted October 5, 2019 Just now, SeaWolf7 said: Kind of depends what your in though pete. We all know power creep is a real thing in this game. Look at the radar meta in this game now for example.....the difference of ship capability @ tiers 8 -10 is getting wider IMO.... We will see how tier 8 cruisers fair against "Venezia" when she arrives... Powercreep does not mean something is "Op". That is a whole different benchmark than just being stronger. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAN0] HaachamaShipping Players 8,474 posts 10,052 battles Report post #23 Posted October 5, 2019 2 hours ago, RamboCras said: Good discussion guys, thanks for the reactions. a little reaction on the yoshino, double steering module combined with its range, firechance and how precise it shoots. It’s almost impossible not to make at least a 100k damage. Actually the only ship that i will play in the center with so i can reach all caps to make fire. Have you ever heard about low-impact playstyle? Getting 100k damage at T10 by burning BB isn't OP, and not exactly hard to achieve in Zao, Hindenburg or Henri. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CHEFT] DFens_666 Players 13,162 posts 11,029 battles Report post #24 Posted October 5, 2019 1 hour ago, gopher31 said: I used to say that we might regret any matchmaking changes that effected this. I always tried to tell people, that T6 and 7 uptier much worse than T8 ships. Most people dont understand the issues however. They make claims which simply arent true, so argueing against that is futile. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #25 Posted October 5, 2019 3 hours ago, gopher31 said: I might try that with mine. I find it so hard to use those torps. Who gives such good torps to a back line cruiser? Except 20km torps are meme. And even bigger meme when you land them on something... somehow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
