MUSASHI, bring her back

[wot_2016_gunner]

Disclaimer: I'm not starting this discussion just because I want the Musashi, it's something more than that. I'll try to be as logical as possible.

 

So, since i registered, which is almost one year now, there has been only one thing that i'm still disappoints me (besides the Research Bureau): The Musashi removal "because of it's popularity". As support I'll link Notser's video about it, and i agree with everything he says, at the end of the topic.

 

I don't think that the Musashi removal made sense from the start, because you don't remove a ship because it's popular; whith this way of thinking, then why are ships like Tirpitz, Sharnhorst, Massachusetts, and others, still available? I think they are quite popular, so why aren't they removed?  (i'm just being ironic)

Sure, the Musashi was really popular, as said by Notser, because she was a ship that players really felt powerfull in; and the only smart thing that WG did was to annouce the remouval a couple of months earlier (i wouldn't have had enought coal anyway).

Seriously, I still don't think that the Musashi had any reason to be removed, that however, the other "removed" ships have, here they are:

 

 - Missouri: The only battleship with radar and a god level of credit earning;

 - Belfast: Has literally everything - HE, radar, smoke, hydro;

 - Imperator Nikolai I: A tiny bit OP for her Tier;

 - Kamikaze R: It still has a broken concealment;

 

But the Musashi, as Yuro said, is an handicapped version instead of the other way around, because she has colse to zero AA, the guns have 0.3 sigma less than Yamato, i literally think that the popularity was an awful reason for removing her. Also, with the CV Rework now fully Implemented, the popularity will decrease.

 

I don't think that she's OP, as I was able to singlehandedly sunk a Musashi from almost full HP (it was like 90%) to 0 with a... Gneisenau, i didn't ever had to ram him, I just knew where to shoot (the cheeks), I went to basically point blank range and i threw everything i had to her and killed her (4 citadelles and three torp hits).

 

It's also true that Georgia took (very honorably) her place, not that Georgia is anywhere bad, she's a really good sihp, but she isn't the Musashi.

 

Also, if they would bring back Musashi, adjusting the price to 228.000 coal, the same price of Georgia and Jean Bart, players will have acutally more variety to choose from:

 

You want a fast battleship with small but fast firing guns ==> Jean Bart

You want a fast battleship with few but hard hitting guns, good secondaries and good AA ==> Georgia

You want a not too slow ship, with the best guns in the game and great accuracy ==> Musashi

 

In the end, I, as Notser, have a feeling that she's not going to be available any more, but it's worth to try to bring her back. Please, WG, bring her back 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Rhineheart_Thor]

I vote NO.

 

Because, Musashi at T9 feels like a cheap rip of of a Yamato, why it is a T9 I am not sure. I do not think either of them are useful in the current meta.

 

As Premier ships can not be tested in a training rooms, there is no way for the end user players to test them.

 

In independent " Tango " tests ( excluding any premier ships ) Iowa ( B Hull . plane killer ) came out as the strongest T9 BB so far. ( Tango Test currently being conducted with Sovetsky ) 

 

o7 

[VanD4rk]

I have nothing against adding Musashi for new players, but it is just a downgraded weaker version of Yamato.

Except that you get from time to time to face tier 7s(this will be even less now with the new matchmaker) there is no reason to play it over Yamato.

[MrFingers]

It's a Tier 9.7 that takes up the slot of a Tier 9 ship. It is broken, and it's higher position in the water and meagre AA don't make up for the lolpen guns at T9.

[DFens_666]

Musashi is OP at T9, there is no way around it. Its not "just a Yamato" at T9, because Yamato gets matched against strong T10 BBs aswell. Musashi can get matched against a FDG...

 

And the reason to remove FreeXP/Coal ships? So WG can put them into XMas boxes and cash in on it

 

[beercrazy]

I say no because its too powerful

was made and released way too strong for tier 9 but now its out there its gonna be near impossible for wg to change her so she should stay as she is and never sold again

now I would welcome another tier 9 japan premium with guns based on amagi or a premium similar to izumo with all the firepower at the front

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

Musashi is one of the worst ships i own, but then again i use it as a meme. Yamato is five times better anyway. 

[Jethro_Grey]

19 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Musashi is OP at T9, there is no way around it. Its not "just a Yamato" at T9, because Yamato gets matched against strong T10 BBs aswell. Musashi can get matched against a FDG...

 

And the reason to remove FreeXP/Coal ships? So WG can put them into XMas boxes and cash in on it

 

Pretty much this. 

 

Not to Mention that she can see TVII, good luck with TVII BBs and CLs against Yamato guns and overmatch mechanic. 

 

[Rhineheart_Thor]

17 minutes ago, DFens_666 said:

Musashi is OP at T9, there is no way around it. Its not "just a Yamato" at T9, because Yamato gets matched against strong T10 BBs aswell. Musashi can get matched against a FDG...

 

And the reason to remove FreeXP/Coal ships? So WG can put them into XMas boxes and cash in on it

 

Do you think that is good or bad ?

 

I am not a German BB fan, but I would take " My " FDG " over My " Musashi ", ever day of the week, I will admit I run a very strange build on My FDG

 

[DanSilverwing]

Full disclosure: I own Musashi and voted accordingly.

 

In terms of "popularity" see the results of the Eleventh Season:

Musashi	Battleship	15.5%	50.64%	99 521	Leaderboard
Kitakaze	Destroyer	9.8%	51.49%	57 580	Leaderboard
Jean Bart	Battleship	6.4%	50.48%	94 519	Leaderboard
Yūgumo	Destroyer	5.3%	46.41%	44 892	Leaderboard
Friedrich der Große	Battleship	5.3%	49.76%	74 311	Leaderboard

 

And compare that to the Thirteenth Season:

Kitakaze	Destroyer	9.6%	52.12%	48 614	Leaderboard
Jean Bart	Battleship	9.4%	50.79%	78 073	Leaderboard
Musashi	Battleship	9.3%	52.06%	85 189	Leaderboard
Alaska	Cruiser	4.8%	53.46%	60 541	Leaderboard
Friedrich der Große	Battleship	4.5%	49.01%	61 823	Leaderboard

When there was more choice from the addition of Alaska, Georgia, Benham, Sovetsky Soyuz, Mogador, Azuma, and Neustrashimy. Altogether they accounted for 17.2% of all ships used in battle.

 

So still very popular, and still very powerful (JB was second best average damage).

[Rhineheart_Thor]

5 minutes ago, DanSilverwing said:

Full disclosure: I own Musashi and voted accordingly.

 

In terms of "popularity" see the results of the Eleventh Season:

Musashi	Battleship	15.5%	50.64%	99 521	Leaderboard
Kitakaze	Destroyer	9.8%	51.49%	57 580	Leaderboard
Jean Bart	Battleship	6.4%	50.48%	94 519	Leaderboard
Yūgumo	Destroyer	5.3%	46.41%	44 892	Leaderboard
Friedrich der Große	Battleship	5.3%	49.76%	74 311	Leaderboard

 

And compare that to the Thirteenth:

Kitakaze	Destroyer	9.6%	52.12%	48 614	Leaderboard
Jean Bart	Battleship	9.4%	50.79%	78 073	Leaderboard
Musashi	Battleship	9.3%	52.06%	85 189	Leaderboard
Alaska	Cruiser	4.8%	53.46%	60 541	Leaderboard
Friedrich der Große	Battleship	4.5%	49.01%	61 823	Leaderboard

When there was more choice from the addition of Alaska, Georgia, Benham, Sovetsky Soyuz, Mogador, Azuma, and Neustrashimy. Altogether they accounted for 17.2% of all ships used in battle.

 

So still very popular, and still very powerful (JB was second best average damage).

 

I do not think you can compare a BB with a dd.

 

I also happen to think "currently" Georgia played a certain way with a certain build is one of,  if not the most powerful BB,s in game.

[DFens_666]

20 minutes ago, Orcinus1 said:

Do you think that is good or bad ?

 

I dont think there is much of a competition, TX ships are just straight up stronger than their T9 predecessors. Not only talking about FDG here, but FDG is among the weakest.

Montana/Conq 33% more firepower than Iowa/Lion

GK 50% more than FDG

Repu/Yamato/Kremlin have accuracy and overmatch (reload) advantage over Alsace/Izumo/Soyuz.

 

And Musashi has the same firepower than Yamato has. The biggest difference is the slightly worse dispersion because of Sigma. Slightly higher Citadel? Well, you dont want to be in a position to get citadelled anyway, so doesnt matter. Less AA? Who cares, AA is pretty much useless as it is since 0.8.7. Weaker secondaries... no comment.

 

[TohtoriP]

I have the Musashi. It is OP for tier 9 meta. Do not bring it back. If you tell me you can once beat a Musashi in a Gneisenau during a random battle it has nothing to with the fact that Musashi is OP and will wipe the floor with Gneisenau in so many ways that calling Musashi weak because it has cheeks that you can penetrate IF it presents you a nice angle AND at proper range AND IF you can actually hit that area with shells that have BOTH enough penetration AND damage to take out 97300 HP in one go... not even RNG can arrange you that in normal combat conditions man.

 

[Miessa3]

1 hour ago, wot_2016_gunner said:

Seriously, I still don't think that the Musashi had any reason to be removed, that however, the other "removed" ships have, here they are:

 

 - Missouri: The only battleship with radar and a god level of credit earning;

 - Belfast: Has literally everything - HE, radar, smoke, hydro;

She doesn't have torpedos and the ap angles which makes Fiji an arguably better ship

 

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- Imperator Nikolai I: A tiny bit OP for her Tier;

 - Kamikaze R: It still has a broken concealment;

The problem with Kamikaze is not the concealment but the 3x2 Torpedolaunchers that have a ridiculously fast reload due to being two tubes launchers. I still think that this is what THE torpedo focused DD line SHOULD be though. Renember Minekaze was almost identical to Kamikaze once upon a time.

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But the Musashi, as Yuro said, is an handicapped version instead of the other way around, because she has colse to zero AA, the guns have 0.3 sigma less than Yamato, i literally think that the popularity was an awful reason for removing her. Also, with the CV Rework now fully Implemented, the popularity will decrease.

 

I don't think that she's OP, as I was able to singlehandedly sunk a Musashi from almost full HP (it was like 90%) to 0 with a... Gneisenau, i didn't ever had to ram him, I just knew where to shoot (the cheeks), I went to basically point blank range and i threw everything i had to her and killed her (4 citadelles and three torp hits).

 

It's also true that Georgia took (very honorably) her place, not that Georgia is anywhere bad, she's a really good sihp, but she isn't the Musashi.

 

Also, if they would bring back Musashi, adjusting the price to 228.000 coal, the same price of Georgia and Jean Bart, players will have acutally more variety to choose from:

 

You want a fast battleship with small but fast firing guns ==> Jean Bart

You want a fast battleship with few but hard hitting guns, good secondaries and good AA ==> Georgia

You want a not too slow ship, with the best guns in the game and great accuracy ==> Musashi

 

In the end, I, as Notser, have a feeling that she's not going to be available any more, but it's worth to try to bring her back. Please, WG, bring her back 

 

The problem with Musashi is that she carries Yammys powerful Tier X trait down to Tier IX by paying minimum debuffs which in the bigger picture don't matter that much than having that caliber while being able to meet Tier VII.

It's not like I am elitist about it and think new players don't deserve her. That ship shouldn't be in the game at all at Tier IX in her current form. I wouldn't even mind if WG removed her from the game taking mine away and reimburse coal/free xp. WG obviously won't do that though as other people (especially those with the permanent camo) would riot.

Just play Yammy if you want that playstyle.

[GarrusBrutus]

Its like having a stalingrad at tier 9 . EZ clapping of everything that is not T10. 

[bushwacker001]

1 hour ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Musashi is one of the worst ships i own, but then again i use it as a meme. Yamato is five times better anyway. 

 

[Rhineheart_Thor]

7 minutes ago, Miessa3 said:

She doesn't have torpedos and the ap angles which makes Fiji an arguably better ship

 

 

 

                                                                                                                a FAR BETTER Combat Unit

She doesn't have torpedos and the ap angles which makes Fiji an arguably better ship

 

[howardxu_23]

I’d say nerf Missouri credit earnings and sell her in shop and armoury. She’s basically a Iowa with Radar that is only useful vs scrubs.

[mtm78]

I voted no.

 

Because I couldn't give a rats behind about Mushi, bring back Missouri instead

[MannequinSkywalker]

4 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

I voted no.

 

Because I couldn't give a rats behind about Mushi, bring back Missouri instead

No. Bring back Kitakami instead.

[Durin_VI]

Also, let's hope Kutu never returns 

[mtm78]

Kita is just a meme ship, I want Missouri because of the BB with radar niche and ofc the internal credit multiplier. 

 

Just now, Durin_VI said:

Also, let's hope Kutu never returns 

 

I am not even sure, I am playing her a bit recently ( finally having a captain with ifhe makes her a lot ... easier to do dmg with ) but with the changes to smoke firing... I think it has 8km smoke firing penalty.. If they gib peeps Smolensk, I feel they could give them Kutu as well. 

[lossi_2018]

yes to all suggested ships as i have none and I'd like the opportunity to have a go at them.

 

Plz

[wot_2016_gunner]

1 minuto fa, mtm78 ha scritto:

Kita is just a meme ship, I want Missouri because of the BB with radar niche and ofc the internal credit multiplier. 

The problem is that WG said, sadly for you, the Missouri has been removed from purchase permanently, while with the Musashi, they said just for an indefinite amount of time.

[MannequinSkywalker]

3 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Kita is just a meme ship, I want Missouri because of the BB with radar niche and ofc the internal credit multiplier. 

I'll make those 40 torps work on your Missouri credit if they are brought back ever.