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Vladivostok sigma changed from 1.8 to 1.7   So Lenin will be better with it's 1.8 sigma

Kremlin AP shells will be 1000 less damage and get lighter so penetration will be less over 9 km but higher less than 9 km.

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"Only" 492mm pen at 21km.

Truly unplayable now.

:Smile_trollface:

 

Seriously tho, Kremlin adjustment is a joke.

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The Sigma Nerf to Vladi is fairly Significant.

Its still Superior to Bismack. Thanks to the Triple Turrets and the better base Dispersion of course.

But with 1.8 its at least not a Sniper anymore.

 

Kremlin *Nerf* is  Joke tough.

 

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2 hours ago, Sunleader said:

The Sigma Nerf to Vladi is fairly Significant.

Its still Superior to Bismack. Thanks to the Triple Turrets and the better base Dispersion of course.

But with 1.8 its at least not a Sniper anymore.

 

Kremlin *Nerf* is  Joke tough.

 

Joke in what way has it made it worse or better?

 

See this is what happens when people scream OP,  I get he feeling they have ruined it now, at least hopefully the have not touched the Lenin, people always say OP at anything new in the game, yet to me she is merely ok

But why the Vlad, never heard anyone call that OP

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3 hours ago, NoobySkooby said:

Joke in what way has it made it worse or better?

 

See this is what happens when people scream OP,  I get he feeling they have ruined it now, at least hopefully the have not touched the Lenin, people always say OP at anything new in the game, yet to me she is merely ok

But why the Vlad, never heard anyone call that OP

 

Going by the Post above.

Kremlin will lose 1k AP Damage.

 

So the AP Alpha goes from 15.5k (which was more than the 460mm Guns of the Yamato which have 14.8k) down to 14.5k

Kremlin has 9 Shells. So:

For Ovepens from 1550 to 1450

For Full Pens from 5166 to 4833

For Citadels from 15500 to 14500

So this is an actual Nerf. But its a very weak Nerf in Practice which wont really affect the Kremlin too much as its Damage output is still Insane.

 

The AP Shell Penetration Change however. Is actually a Buff.

The Kremlin Loses some Penetration Power on High Range but Gains some on Lower Range.

And the Kremlin is a Brawler. So most of the Time it will Use its Gun in Lower Range to begin with.

Meaning that this is effectively a Buff to the Kremlin because it makes her even Stronger in Close Ranges.

 

The Importand Part to this is Angling Thresholds.

 (Pls note there is some Normalization Mechanics as well as each Shell has an Value for which he Reduces Angling for himself. But we will Ignore them for now to not make this more Complicated than it needs to be)

 

At 60 Degree you Autobounce Shells regardless of Penetration Power. So even just 40mm will Bounce any Shell in the Game.

But the moment your on 59 Degree or less. A Penetration Check will happen.

Yamato at this Angle has an Armor Value of max 820mm

Montana has a Max Armor Value of 818mm

Kremlin itself has a Max Value of 860mm

Conqueror gets Max of 816mm

Republique gets a Max of 864mm

And Kurfürst gets 760mm

 

So the Range at which Kremlin will Penetrate even the Thickest Part of the Side Armor of Enemy Battleships. Will go up by about 1km From about 2.5km before to about 3.5km with the New Shell.

Of course the Exact Range Varies Depending on each Battleship and the Exact Angling. But in General this means. That Kremlin will have it even Easier to Penetrate you on Close Range when your not 60 Degree or more Angled.

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Kremlin has all the strengths that matter. Accuracy at midrange and a strong armor + good angles and traverse.

 

They took away the range so make it look like a minus,but who cares about shooting from 24km. You rarely hit compared to being at 15km

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13 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

"Only" 492mm pen at 21km.

Truly unplayable now.

:Smile_trollface:

 

Seriously tho, Kremlin adjustment is a joke.

It's a bone WG threw in our face to make us stop calling it OP and yelling russian bias. 

 

Too bad they don't realize that bones to the face kinda hurt and only the ones who have the cognitive abilities of dogs will be chewing happily on it. 

 

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19 minutes ago, Jethro_Grey said:

It's a bone WG threw in our face to make us stop calling it OP and yelling russian bias. 

 

Too bad they don't realize that bones to the face kinda hurt and only the ones who have the cognitive abilities of dogs will be chewing happily on it. 

 

On a side note, notser wants poltava to be buffed a lot lol.

 

Think wargaming were trying to make a mini slava at tier 7 but umm'ed and ahhh'ed, so yeah.

 

 

The only nerf worth mentioning here is the dispersion nerf, everything else is negligable.

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8 hours ago, Sunleader said:

 

Going by the Post above.

Kremlin will lose 1k AP Damage.

 

So the AP Alpha goes from 15.5k (which was more than the 460mm Guns of the Yamato which have 14.8k) down to 14.5k

Kremlin has 9 Shells. So:

For Ovepens from 1550 to 1450

For Full Pens from 5166 to 4833

For Citadels from 15500 to 14500

So this is an actual Nerf. But its a very weak Nerf in Practice which wont really affect the Kremlin too much as its Damage output is still Insane.

 

The AP Shell Penetration Change however. Is actually a Buff.

The Kremlin Loses some Penetration Power on High Range but Gains some on Lower Range.

And the Kremlin is a Brawler. So most of the Time it will Use its Gun in Lower Range to begin with.

Meaning that this is effectively a Buff to the Kremlin because it makes her even Stronger in Close Ranges.

 

The Importand Part to this is Angling Thresholds.

 (Pls note there is some Normalization Mechanics as well as each Shell has an Value for which he Reduces Angling for himself. But we will Ignore them for now to not make this more Complicated than it needs to be)

 

At 60 Degree you Autobounce Shells regardless of Penetration Power. So even just 40mm will Bounce any Shell in the Game.

But the moment your on 59 Degree or less. A Penetration Check will happen.

Yamato at this Angle has an Armor Value of max 820mm

Montana has a Max Armor Value of 818mm

Kremlin itself has a Max Value of 860mm

Conqueror gets Max of 816mm

Republique gets a Max of 864mm

And Kurfürst gets 760mm

 

So the Range at which Kremlin will Penetrate even the Thickest Part of the Side Armor of Enemy Battleships. Will go up by about 1km From about 2.5km before to about 3.5km with the New Shell.

Of course the Exact Range Varies Depending on each Battleship and the Exact Angling. But in General this means. That Kremlin will have it even Easier to Penetrate you on Close Range when your not 60 Degree or more Angled.

WoW, many thanks for that info, so she isn't quite useless yet then?.

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15 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

WoW, many thanks for that info, so she isn't quite useless yet then?.

 

No.

Very likely she is still pretty Overpowered.

In Fact she might be even more Overpowered now. Because with a Kremlin you never Fight on High Range anyways.

And with the Extra Penetration it will be even Easier to Penetrate enemy BBs in Close Range....

 

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1 hour ago, Sunleader said:

 

No.

Very likely she is still pretty Overpowered.

In Fact she might be even more Overpowered now. Because with a Kremlin you never Fight on High Range anyways.

And with the Extra Penetration it will be even Easier to Penetrate enemy BBs in Close Range....

 

might as well slap on 460's and slava accuracy at this bloody rate.

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4 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

might as well slap on 460's and slava accuracy at this bloody rate.

 

Psst. Dont give them any Ideas they might actually end up Implementing....

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2 minutes ago, Sunleader said:

 

Psst. Dont give them any Ideas they might actually end up Implementing....

Eh thats probably on their 'to-do' list.

 

how to balans game in ten mins.

 

da!

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i ask me why nobody complain about her bad self defence capabilitys ?

...there is always a price to pay, she have no hydro or plane, make it much more easy to torp her.

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1 minute ago, Stormfly said:

i ask me why nobody complain about her bad self defence capabilitys ?

...there is always a price to pay, she have no hydro or plane, make it much more easy to torp her.

 

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1 hour ago, Stormfly said:

i ask me why nobody complain about her bad self defence capabilitys ?

...there is always a price to pay, she have no hydro or plane, make it much more easy to torp her.

There is pretty much no price to pay when it comes to the Kremlin. Virtually all her negative points are common to all other BB's apart from the range, which is still pretty moot as you have the tools to get up close anyways.

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1 hour ago, Stormfly said:

sorry, didnt know that you`re so a bad DD cpt. :Smile_trollface:

You just have to be a half decent BB captain.

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