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(Not sure if this is the right place to post)

 

Ok so, I currently play on a horrific laptop..

 

i5 6200u + gets 950m, 8gb of really slow memory.

 

im looking to get a new one, I do some video editing also, what do you guys think would work best out of these options?

 

 

Will be getting a 17” screen and want to play on max settings if possible with any of these specs haha.

 

ryzen 3550h + 1650 4gb 

3550h + Rx560x 

i5 8300h + 1060 6gb

I7 8750h + 10603gb

 

 

Ill be upgrading SSD and memory to 500gb and 16gb whatever I pick, just looking for some advice.

 

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2 minutes ago, Rionnen_marksman said:

(Not sure if this is the right place to post)

 

Ok so, I currently play on a horrific laptop..

 

i5 6200u + gets 950m, 8gb of really slow memory.

 

im looking to get a new one, I do some video editing also, what do you guys think would work best out of these options?

 

 

Will be getting a 17” screen and want to play on max settings if possible with any of these specs haha.

 

ryzen 3550h + 1650 4gb 

3550h + Rx560x 

i5 8300h + 1060 6gb

I7 8750h + 10603gb

 

 

Ill be upgrading SSD and memory to 500gb and 16gb whatever I pick, just looking for some advice.

 

Probably wrong place but it will get moved to where it needs to be if that's the case.

 

Don't know if its an option for you, but PC is always better bang for buck, scalability etc etc. But I'm sure you know that. You don't need much of a PC to run this game well, the one I play on is an old 6600K and vega 56 which is overkill for this potato friendly game.

 

For my old eyes monitor/screen quality and size is most important, you are right to get the most real estate here as you can as you have already identified.

 

Could you get a seperate monitor and plug it into the new laptop for dual screens as a compromise? A 24 inch 1080p monitor can be had for peanuts these days and would provide a much better experience IMO. If I wanted to play on a laptop that's what I would do however your mince pies maybe a little better than mine.

 

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40 minutes ago, Rionnen_marksman said:

i5 8300h + 1060 6gb

I7 8750h + 10603gb

Both of those will probably run Wows on max.

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1 hour ago, mariouus said:

Both of those will probably run Wows on max.

Ok cool, is a higher than 60hz screen really necessary for wows? I know it’s good for fast paced fps’s etc but....

 

wont be able to buy another screen to plug into, atleast not for the time being

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4 minutes ago, Rionnen_marksman said:

Ok cool, is a higher than 60hz screen really necessary for wows? I know it’s good for fast paced fps’s etc but....

I would say no. Currently I have 120hz screen. Can not see any difference with 60hz. But some might. At the same time, screens over 60.hz are more of a player experience, than performance thing. Having 120 or 144hz screen does not improve your performance, humans can not react that fast. But game might look nicer and smoother.

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1 hour ago, mariouus said:

I would say no. Currently I have 120hz screen. Can not see any difference with 60hz. But some might. At the same time, screens over 60.hz are more of a player experience, than performance thing. Having 120 or 144hz screen does not improve your performance, humans can not react that fast. But game might look nicer and smoother.

Thought as much, thanks.

 

any thoughts on the Ryzen? I know they’re pretty new to the laptop gaming scene

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7 hours ago, Rionnen_marksman said:

any thoughts on the Ryzen? I know they’re pretty new to the laptop gaming scene

Can not comment on Ryzen. I used do have Alienware with 1060 6gb. If I remember correctly, it ran all max (or very close do that) @45-60 fps. 

 

1070 would do it @ constant 70.fps. with every option available set do max value.

 

 

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If you absolutely need the mobility then sure, go for a laptop. But if you want the best bang for the buck and you feel even remotely confident then build your computer. That is your best choice price to performance wise, I cannot understate this. Desktop builds absolutely dominates anything pre-built.

 

Otherwise, if you're mostly gaming and using your laptop for entertainment then go for the i5 and 1060. That's a solid bet.

 

Also regarding refresh rates, if you're just playing WoWS or other relatively slow-paced games don't worry too much about splashing the cash on a higher refresh rate. The game is locked at about 80fps without mods anyway. However if you plan on playing high-pace games like csgo or Doom then absolutely go for higher refresh rates if your GPU can handle it. You will notice the gameplay to be a lot smoother in those cases.

 

On 9/29/2019 at 7:53 PM, mariouus said:

I would say no. Currently I have 120hz screen. Can not see any difference with 60hz. But some might. At the same time, screens over 60.hz are more of a player experience, than performance thing. Having 120 or 144hz screen does not improve your performance, humans can not react that fast. But game might look nicer and smoother.

No, that's entirely false since refresh rates have nothing to do with reaction speeds.

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9 hours ago, CptMinia said:

No, that's entirely false since refresh rates have nothing to do with reaction speeds.

Now, read what I wrote... Did I say anywhere that using 120hz over 60hz does improve reaction? I did not. I sayed it can make a smoother viwing - and it can.

 

Not do mention that refresh rate has mutch to do with reaction speed. It absolutly has. 

 

Just for a casual player, in somewhat slow-paced game like WoWs, it does not offer any benefites. Not do mention that system and settings (not do mention WoWs itself) asked here, do not provide enought FPS do actually have any benefit from 120-144.hz screen.

 

Refresh rate is your screen ability do "draw" pictures - it is similar do FPS for GPU. Simplistically - it shows how many "pictures" you are seeing in a second. 60.hz monitor will draw max 60 pictures per second - your GPU might be sqeezing out 200.FPS, but you are only seeing 60. 144.hz monitor can draw 144 pictures in a second - if your GPU is providing 200.FPS, only 144 are displayed.If you are getting 45-70.FPS, you are only seeing 45-70, so you are not really seeing any benefits from having high refresh-rate.

 

So in essence, with 60.hz monitor, it is pointless do chace extreme FPS. You are not seeing it.

 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, mariouus said:

Now, read what I wrote... Did I say anywhere that using 120hz over 60hz does improve reaction? I did not. I sayed it can make a smoother viwing - and it can.

 

Not do mention that refresh rate has mutch to do with reaction speed. It absolutly has. 

 

Just for a casual player, in somewhat slow-paced game like WoWs, it does not offer any benefites. Not do mention that system and settings (not do mention WoWs itself) asked here, do not provide enought FPS do actually have any benefit from 120-144.hz screen.

 

Refresh rate is your screen ability do "draw" pictures - it is similar do FPS for GPU. Simplistically - it shows how many "pictures" you are seeing in a second. 60.hz monitor will draw max 60 pictures per second - your GPU might be sqeezing out 200.FPS, but you are only seeing 60. 144.hz monitor can draw 144 pictures in a second - if your GPU is providing 200.FPS, only 144 are displayed.If you are getting 45-70.FPS, you are only seeing 45-70, so you are not really seeing any benefits from having high refresh-rate.

 

So in essence, with 60.hz monitor, it is pointless do chace extreme FPS. You are not seeing it.

Read what you wrote.

 

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I would say no. Currently I have 120hz screen. Can not see any difference with 60hz. But some might. At the same time, screens over 60.hz are more of a player experience, than performance thing. Having 120 or 144hz screen does not improve your performance, humans can not react that fast. But game might look nicer and smoother.

Someone who can't see the difference between 60hz and 120hz is not qualified to talk about it in my book. And no, it is performance. For you to get the best out of high-refresh rate monitors you NEED performance, not experience which judging from what you said you have very little of considering you could "not see any difference". And yes, having a higher refresh rate CAN improve your inividual performance enormously if certain conditions are met. Obviously there is going to be a bigger difference in a game like Doom or CSGO than a slow-paced game like WoWS., but then that is not the point. The whole point of a higher refresh rate is to allow for smoother yet more dynamic viewing to be available and you will see that even in WoWS. Reaction time relies on your monitor's response time, it has nothing to do with a higher refresh rate.

 

I don't want to sound like I'm looking for an argument nor do I want to continue derailing this thread because that's not what I want to do. But I do not want to see people make decisions based on information given by other users which is not fact. I encourage you to go and study from multiple different and valid sources what exactly are refresh rates and response times and how it works because at the moment you're spreading mis-information.

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21 minutes ago, CptMinia said:

I don't want to sound like I'm looking for an argument nor do I want to continue derailing this thread because that's not what I want to do. But I do not want to see people make decisions based on information given by other users which is not fact. I encourage you to go and study from multiple different and valid sources what exactly are refresh rates and response times and how it works because at the moment you're spreading mis-information.

What? 

 

Player came here with a question. Lists computer specs and on what settings he wants do use.

 

I do have laptops what meet those criterias. So I did gave the answers. Answers I checked, by using those computers.

 

120-144hz monitors do nothing in configuration and settings, the topic starter is asking. Because it will not run high enought FPS (45-70fps) do give any reaction advantage. (When it is 70.fps range, it will be only very-very slightly smoother - nowhere close enought do justify potential cost increase).

 

You can get those computers and double check. I did not spread any misinformation. 

 

You at the sametime are grossly offtopic, with even your first post.

 

I did not give any advice of "maybe you should handbuild an desktop" or "in CS refresh rate mater". He asked a question about WoWs, I answered, using laptops and settings meeting criterias Topic starter listed as a Reference. 

 

 

43 minutes ago, CptMinia said:

Someone who can't see the difference between 60hz and 120hz is not qualified to talk about it in my book

You are a Moderator - right? Maybe it is time do learn do read posts you are commenting on? It would give a sense of professionalism.

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10 minutes ago, mariouus said:

What? 

 

Player came here with a question. Lists computer specs and on what settings he wants do use.

 

I do have laptops what meet those criterias. So I did gave the answers. Answers I checked, by using those computers.

 

120-144hz monitors do nothing in configuration and settings, the topic starter is asking. Because it will not run high enought FPS (45-70fps) do give any reaction advantage. (When it is 70.fps range, it will be only very-very slightly smoother - nowhere close enought do justify potential cost increase).

 

You can get those computers and double check. I did not spread any misinformation. 

 

You at the sametime are grossly offtopic, with even your first post.

 

I did not give any advice of "maybe you should handbuild an desktop" or "in CS refresh rate mater". He asked a question about WoWs, I answered, using laptops and settings meeting criterias Topic starter listed as a Reference. 

 

 

You are a Moderator - right? Maybe it is time do learn do read posts you are commenting on? It would give a sense of professionalism.

You haven't actually responded to what I specifically called you out for.

 

I've offered my opinion and advice as someone who has been working in the IT and computing industry for the last 5 years. The OP can choose whether to use my advice or not at all, that is up to them and I am fine with it. It is in their interest to gather as much information as they can, interpret and understand the common statements in those bits of information and make an educated choice. However your poor choice of words regarding refresh rates I am calling out simply because it is not true, although you do have some understanding I believe either your english or knowledge could use some refinement. And yes, I am a moderator. However I am primarily a WoWS player who is active on the forums. I fail to see how I have been unprofessional in any way. I have given my answer to the OP and pointed out I disagree with part of your answer which I and other users are allowed to do. This is in the hopes the OP will look for information regarding monitors, refresh rate and response times so they can make a better choice for themselves. 

 

Now I consider this conversation over, if you want to debate with me constructively then feel free to send me a PM and I will get back to you. However, future irrelevant posts will be hidden from now on.

 

Kind regards,

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If anyone has played with a ryzen 3550h or 3750h on wows I would really appreciate some advice, I can get a 3550h + 1650 for around £300 less than the i5 version, is the extra money really worth it?

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1 hour ago, Rionnen_marksman said:

If anyone has played with a ryzen 3550h or 3750h on wows I would really appreciate some advice, I can get a 3550h + 1650 for around £300 less than the i5 version, is the extra money really worth it?

Do you have specifing Laptop brand and model in mind?

 

It is somewhat easyer do comment when knowing the models in question.


If I look at pricing in my country. I would probably go for 3750h + 1660ti combo. It is more expensive than 3550h+1650 combo, but still cheaper than I5+1060 combo, but 1660ti is quite a bit better GPU than 1060.

 

Looking at the performance figures of 3750H and 1650, they will probably run WoWs more-or-less fine.Probably somewhat inferior to I5 + 1060 combo. Can not say for sure, do not have computer with that specification do test.

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2 hours ago, mariouus said:

Do you have specifing Laptop brand and model in mind?

 

It is somewhat easyer do comment when knowing the models in question.


If I look at pricing in my country. I would probably go for 3750h + 1660ti combo. It is more expensive than 3550h+1650 combo, but still cheaper than I5+1060 combo, but 1660ti is quite a bit better GPU than 1060.

 

Looking at the performance figures of 3750H and 1650, they will probably run WoWs more-or-less fine.Probably somewhat inferior to I5 + 1060 combo. Can not say for sure, do not have computer with that specification do test.

I was looking at this one

 

https://www.box.co.uk/FX705DT-AU042T-ASUS-TUF-Gaming-FX705DT-AU042T_2561592.html

 

not necessarily from this retailer, and would be upgrading to 16gb dual channel.

 

i had a look at some benchmarks and it has it in the 80’s for FPS on wows (max settings), but the cpu is still relatively new so I’m unsure how many tests that’s using.

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6 minutes ago, Rionnen_marksman said:

I was looking at this one

 

https://www.box.co.uk/FX705DT-AU042T-ASUS-TUF-Gaming-FX705DT-AU042T_2561592.html

 

not necessarily from this retailer, and would be upgrading to 16gb dual channel.

 

i had a look at some benchmarks and it has it in the 80’s for FPS on wows (max settings), but the cpu is still relatively new so I’m unsure how many tests that’s using.

Not bad at all for a laptop, it will run WoWS fine. Only thing really is hard drive space. 512GB, even though it's an SSD is not actually a lot especially if you plan on having a heavy workload with video editing. Also if you plan on actually using a monitor instead of the screen note you're going to be throwing out a bit of performance out of the window.

 

Is there a particular reason why you need a laptop?

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23 minutes ago, CptMinia said:

Not bad at all for a laptop, it will run WoWS fine. Only thing really is hard drive space. 512GB, even though it's an SSD is not actually a lot especially if you plan on having a heavy workload with video editing. Also if you plan on actually using a monitor instead of the screen note you're going to be throwing out a bit of performance out of the window.

 

Is there a particular reason why you need a laptop?

Desktops are... unsuitable to my needs unfortunately, I know I’d be able to build a system for £700 that would blow any of these laptops away. Unfortunately that’s not an option, wouldn’t be using an external screen either, atleast not immediately.

 

i THINK there is a spare 2.5 slot that I could put a chunky ssd in, infant I have an old hybrid 2.5 from a previous PCspecialist laptop that may work

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2 minutes ago, Rionnen_marksman said:

Desktops are... unsuitable to my needs unfortunately, I know I’d be able to build a system for £700 that would blow any of these laptops away. Unfortunately that’s not an option, wouldn’t be using an external screen either, atleast not immediately.

 

i THINK there is a spare 2.5 slot that I could put a chunky ssd in, infant I have an old hybrid 2.5 from a previous PCspecialist laptop that may work

No worries. Any 2.5" slot should be compatible across the board and your old drive should just pop in and work fine if the format is for windows 10.

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4 hours ago, Rionnen_marksman said:

i had a look at some benchmarks and it has it in the 80’s for FPS on wows (max settings), but the cpu is still relatively new so I’m unsure how many tests that’s using.

80.FPS Average would probably translate  to 40-55.FPS during parts with alot of action. So not bad -very playable. (Again, can not say for sure)

 

For WoWs only, I do not think that spending extra 300 would be justified. Expected performance would be really close to i5+1060.

 

Depending on what else you play, or would want do play in the future. Combo with 1660ti or 2060 is probably more future-proof,because Laptops are not easily upgradable in terms of GPUs.

 

But looking at the shop you linked. There does not do seem do be any decent deal in 17" segment for that.

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144 hz is overrated none of the cpus or gpus mentioned will give you 144 fps in the newest games but for wows i will probably go with i7 and gtx 1060 3gb would have been greater if you could get one with 6gb of vram, but i understand that the prices are quite high at least here in my country i barely founded a i5-9300h,1660ti, 8gb of ram laptop at 1100 Euros! 

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Hmmmm, if I buy through CeX I can afford maybe even a 1070, AND an 8750h... 2 year warranty on all electronics, could be worth it? Anyone any experience with them?

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