Explain to me how Sinop is considered OP?

[Floofz]

I seriously dont get this ship, luckely Im almost done with it. Theres only one battleship in the game that Ive hated more than this thing and that is the Hood before they buffed her (shes amazing now btw). The thing cant hit ANYTHING, it cant tank, the guns dont turn, it has an insanly long reload and it gets blapped out of the water every time you show a slight broadside.

I just dont understand what this ship has that justifies calling it OP? Also Im wondering if the rest of the soviet BB line is more of the same because if so I will abandon it now when I can.

And yes Im angry, I havent done this badly in any BB since I first started playing the game (this is the only BB line I havent finished).

[Kpt_Silas]

16 minutes ago, Floofz said:

I seriously dont get this ship, luckely Im almost done with it. Theres only one battleship in the game that Ive hated more than this thing and that is the Hood before they buffed her (shes amazing now btw). The thing cant hit ANYTHING, it cant tank, the guns dont turn, it has an insanly long reload and it gets blapped out of the water every time you show a slight broadside.

I just dont understand what this ship has that justifies calling it OP? Also Im wondering if the rest of the soviet BB line is more of the same because if so I will abandon it now when I can.

And yes Im angry, I havent done this badly in any BB since I first started playing the game (this is the only BB line I havent finished).

I do not think she is lacking. I had only 8 games in random with her + couple dozens in ranked, and I did not found her bad. Tanky when angled properly, blapped when broadside (all bbs should be lile that), with correct dmg con usage it is resistant against HE. AP has owermatch, and very good accuracy around 13km, above that it is still decent. Most likely it just does not suit you playstyle. 

 

Sorry that screen is in two pieces, but i am on phone. 

[ColonelPete]

Some people engage the Sinop bow on and get frustrated. And that is how they react.

 

But while she is not "Op", you doing badly in her has nothing to do with the ship.

Either you were really unlucky (and blame it on the ship) or you did not understand her playstyle (and blame it on the ship).

As always, be more self reflective and tone down your blame game.

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190921/eu_2month/average_ship.html

[Miscommunication_dept]

20 minutes ago, Floofz said:

I seriously dont get this ship, luckely Im almost done with it. Theres only one battleship in the game that Ive hated more than this thing and that is the Hood before they buffed her (shes amazing now btw). The thing cant hit ANYTHING, it cant tank, the guns dont turn, it has an insanly long reload and it gets blapped out of the water every time you show a slight broadside.

I just dont understand what this ship has that justifies calling it OP? Also Im wondering if the rest of the soviet BB line is more of the same because if so I will abandon it now when I can.

And yes Im angry, I havent done this badly in any BB since I first started playing the game (this is the only BB line I havent finished).

 

Did you just get shot up by an Amagi?

If so, that was me.

 

[ColonelPete]

23 minutes ago, Floofz said:

And yes Im angry, I havent done this badly in any BB since I first started playing the game (this is the only BB line I havent finished).

And do not lie!!

You have less WR, damage and kills/battle in other Tier VII BB. In damage and kills/per battle she is your BEST Tier VII BB!

And complaining after 12 games...

[Floofz]

5 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

And do not lie!!

You have less WR, damage and kills/battle in other Tier VII BB. In damage and kills/per battle she is your BEST Tier VII BB!

And complaining after 12 games...

 

On average yes because I had one game in my 12 games where I did 188k and had like 7 kills or whatever. Statisticly if you remove that game I would have BY FAR the worst stats in this ship. Ive also now lost 7 games in a row straight. In this ship

[LordTareq]

4 minutes ago, Floofz said:

 

On average yes because I had one game in my 12 games where I did 188k and had like 7 kills or whatever. Statisticly if you remove that game I would have BY FAR the worst stats in this ship. Ive also now lost 7 games in a row straight. In this ship

 

If you are going to remove outliers from the equation you need to do so for every ship you compare, not just Sinop. You can’t go “I’ll compare these ships but for one ship I’ll not consider its best results” and still have an objective comparison.

[Kpt_Silas]

5 minutes ago, Floofz said:

 

On average yes because I had one game in my 12 games where I did 188k and had like 7 kills or whatever. Statisticly if you remove that game I would have BY FAR the worst stats in this ship. Ive also now lost 7 games in a row straight. In this ship

And one and only constant in all those games were...

[kfa]

SINOP is the only BB i kept from this line (unlocking Kremlin today) its was an amazing ship in ranked sprint. I was blapping Lyons and citadeling Nelson bows left, right and center... 

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, Floofz said:

On average yes because I had one game in my 12 games where I did 188k and had like 7 kills or whatever. Statisticly if you remove that game I would have BY FAR the worst stats in this ship. Ive also now lost 7 games in a row straight. In this ship

Not according to my math. Without that game your average would have been 69k damage and 1 kill/battle. Still better than some of your other ships. And that match DID happen and therefore cannot be ignored.

Do not judge a ship after 12 games.

 

And you were told often enough to change ship or even stop playing in a losing streak.

You do not play better when frustrated.

 

[DanSilverwing]

Ranked Sprint results are a good peer comparison, I find (result sorted by average damage):

 

Sprint 8:

Sinop	Battleship	9.5%	54.27%	63 819	Leaderboard
Nelson	Battleship	3.8%	54.28%	61 210	Leaderboard
Ashitaka	Battleship	0.9%	50.24%	58 471	Leaderboard
King George V	Battleship	2.8%	48.47%	54 945	Leaderboard
Hood	Battleship	1.1%	51.66%	53 988	Leaderboard
Nagato	Battleship	3.1%	48.15%	53 654	Leaderboard
Lyon	Battleship	4.7%	50.03%	53 590	Leaderboard
Duke of York	Battleship	2.1%	49.24%	52 822	Leaderboard

 

Sprint 6:

Sinop	Battleship	10.5%	53.51%	59 378	Leaderboard
Nelson	Battleship	4.3%	52.3%	57 870	Leaderboard
Ashitaka	Battleship	1%	48.39%	54 528	Leaderboard
King George V	Battleship	3%	48.49%	51 156	Leaderboard
Flint	Cruiser	1.5%	55.87%	49 699	Leaderboard
Lyon	Battleship	5.3%	49.82%	49 632	Leaderboard

[Floofz]

8 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Not according to my math. Without that game your average would have been 69k damage and 1 kill/battle. Still better than some of your other ships. And that match DID happen and therefore cannot be ignored.

Do not judge a ship after 12 games.

 

And you were told often enough to change ship or even stop playing in a losing streak.

You do not play better when frustrated.

 

 

Another thing you need to keep in mind is that the other tier 7 BBs I grinded a long time ago. I have since gotten a lot better at the game.

Also Im not mad about the defeats, the game has decided that I shouldnt win games so be it. The thing that bothers me is that this ship just doesnt hit, and when it does hit its either overpens or shatters or richoets, more so than any other BB Ive ever played. Maybe we couldve even won one of these games if I couldve hit stuff like I would in any other tier 7 BB.

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 24 Minuten, ColonelPete sagte:

Not according to my math. Without that game your average would have been 69k damage and 1 kill/battle. Still better than some of your other ships. And that match DID happen and therefore cannot be ignored.

Do not judge a ship after 12 games.

 

And you were told often enough to change ship or even stop playing in a losing streak.

You do not play better when frustrated.

 

A stats battle? Again? Aren't we all getting a bit tired of this. Pete, why don't you just ignore this? Why does he trigger you so much?

[LoveYouTooBuddy]

Interesting.. I too had terrible winrate in randoms with this ship, like 25% after the first 10 games. Then tried it in the ranked sprint thingy and it was way better than the other BBs I was playing against. 

 

It is conspiracy I'm telling you! 

 

Tin hat on.

The undoubtedly rigged matchmaker is doing foul play here. Yep, no other explanation. They are making us lose in it, so the ship don't look too OP. 

 

I caught you redhanded WG!

 

The truth is out there.(in the spreadsheets)

 

Edit: "Explain to me how Sinop is considered OP?" Nice big guns, that get accurate at close range. And workable armor. 

[Floofz]

6 minutes ago, DanSilverwing said:

Ranked Sprint results are a good peer comparison, I find (result sorted by average damage):

 

Sprint 8:

Sinop	Battleship	9.5%	54.27%	63 819	Leaderboard
Nelson	Battleship	3.8%	54.28%	61 210	Leaderboard
Ashitaka	Battleship	0.9%	50.24%	58 471	Leaderboard
King George V	Battleship	2.8%	48.47%	54 945	Leaderboard
Hood	Battleship	1.1%	51.66%	53 988	Leaderboard
Nagato	Battleship	3.1%	48.15%	53 654	Leaderboard
Lyon	Battleship	4.7%	50.03%	53 590	Leaderboard
Duke of York	Battleship	2.1%	49.24%	52 822	Leaderboard

 

Sprint 6:

Sinop	Battleship	10.5%	53.51%	59 378	Leaderboard
Nelson	Battleship	4.3%	52.3%	57 870	Leaderboard
Ashitaka	Battleship	1%	48.39%	54 528	Leaderboard
King George V	Battleship	3%	48.49%	51 156	Leaderboard
Flint	Cruiser	1.5%	55.87%	49 699	Leaderboard
Lyon	Battleship	5.3%	49.82%	49 632	Leaderboard

 

Yet it says nothing. These severwide statistics are completely and entirely useless to look at because it doesnt take the playerbase into account. It never says anything about who plays these ships.

Maybe the average potato doesnt have access to the newest tier 7 BB and they only have a Lyon to play, or a KGV. That seriously drags down the average statistics.

Either way it doesnt matter now since I sold it, I cant stand it. As I said the only ship Ive hated more in this game was the Hood before they buffed it. Maybe others have better RNG than I do but it doesnt work for me, it cant hit anything, it cant damage anything, it never citadels anything except for itself, it cant angle against damage. Its just a complete turd of a ship, on my account.

Either way Im starting, or no, Ive become really fed up with this game. I had a rant about the winrate two weeks ago and after that Ive had a pretty 50/50 winrate, or higher and its been fun. Now Im back to being put in the potato teams every single game, no matter how well I do its just defeat after defeat, steamroll after steamroll. I cant stand it, I cant. It completely kills my mood for an entire weekend and this game isnt worth it anymore. Im gonna find something else to play.

[KillStealBoss]

Sinop for me was amazing, the turret traverse was some issue but other than that... Man! She could tank a lot. Give me any other T7 BB that can do this. This penetration is awesome. Ofc you can't hit stuff from distance. This is not Nelson or Nagato. But on 10km she's a beast. 

[DanSilverwing]

I suppose Sprint is fought at medium ranges, 8-16km typically, and I find her accuracy is amazingly consistent. She has a fast speed to get into position, good armour, good guns. Even with her special DCP and fewer heals she has the endurance to stay in the game and deliver those punishing numbers. And Sprint results are a compilation of tens of thousands of battles, if not more, so statistical outliers get ironed out (noobs in Lyon; yah, sure). And as she consistently outscore Premium ships we can discount the effect of high end captain skills (mine is only a 10-pointer PT,JOAT,BOS,FP).

 

Maybe OP is correct though. If the spreadsheets said she was overpowered we'd be seeing balance nerfs. Amiright?

[ColonelPete]

16 minutes ago, DanSilverwing said:

Maybe OP is correct though. If the spreadsheets said she was overpowered we'd be seeing balance nerfs. Amiright?

If that were the only thing he said...

He is basicly taking the opposite position.

[Floofz]

8 minutes ago, DanSilverwing said:

I suppose Sprint is fought at medium ranges, 8-16km typically, and I find her accuracy is amazingly consistent. She has a fast speed to get into position, good armour, good guns. Even with her special DCP and fewer heals she has the endurance to stay in the game and deliver those punishing numbers. And Sprint results are a compilation of tens of thousands of battles, if not more, so statistical outliers get ironed out (noobs in Lyon; yah, sure). And as she consistently outscore Premium ships we can discount the effect of high end captain skills (mine is only a 10-pointer PT,JOAT,BOS,FP).

 

Maybe OP is correct though. If the spreadsheets said she was overpowered we'd be seeing balance nerfs. Amiright?

 

My original question was why people think its OP because I sure dont. I wasnt really saying it isnt, I was saying why people think it is. And heres why I think it isnt.

Nagato, Colorado and Nelson all feel considerably more reliable in the guns department. Even Duke of York feels better even when only firing AP. They feel like you can punish people reliably for showing broadsides and Sinop sure doesnt. Honestly Sinop feels like if it doesnt miss it overpens on cruisers and shatters or bounces on BBs. I had a game today where I fired 3 full salvos at a completely broadside Massa from 10km away and did ZERO damage, all I got were shatters, torpedobulge hits or full bounces. 

However, this is okay, if it had some other redeeming features. Gneisenau and Scharnhorst, even Hood KGV/DoY feels faster and more nimble to handle. Plus you dont have to worry constantly about showing too much broadside. These ships all feel more reliable at range aswell (except for Gneisenau).

 

But Im going to retract what I said before out of frustration. No it isnt the worst tier 7 BB and I would probably not hate it as much if I didnt keep losing. HOWEVER. I do NOT see why people call it OP. Everywhere I turn I see people calling it OP and Ive never gotten why. I was excited when I first got it but I quickly got suprised at how very underwhelming it was. To me there are much better tier 7 BBs out there.

 

Nagato feels more consistant with the guns and has a longer range and better reload.

Colorado also feels atleast on par and also has better reload and range.

Gneisenau can tank and cant be overmatched frontally by any ship in the game. It also has torpedoes and is much faster and nimbler. Yes the guns are very trolly but you also sort of except that and is prepared for it.

Scharnhorst is all the things the Gneisenau is but with smaller guns but also much faster reload.

KGV will burn anything

Hood is fast and nimble and has really nice quick turning guns (now)

Nelson has probably the best guns in tier 7 but the hull is BAD and its a ship I generally dont really like playing. But then again it has the amazing heal.

Duke of York has good AP and Hydro

Lyon has a massive amount of guns and is very good at HE spamming.

Sinop itself is a lot of things but not very good at anything, its not as fast as the germans or the brits, its not as tanky as the germans or even the Colorado if Im honest. It has the shortest range, its not as accurate as Nelson, Nagato or Colorado (for me atleast). 

[mtm78]

Floofz c'mon man, don't let it get to you we had this discussion already haven't we

 

Anyway, I did not have good results with Sinop as well but just like you low battle count.

 

Then compare it with my Vladi win rate... and my vladi damage is no where near the level that the win rate would make some sense. 

 

Low battle count -> not enough data.

 

Sinop was so much better as Izmail with the 3 rear turret setup, I did not sell her yet and even trained a new captain for her. I will keep playing her ( though I guess mainly after I done with the line grind, as I want to finish that and I don't play that many games ). 

[Floofz]

2 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Floofz c'mon man, don't let it get to you we had this discussion already haven't we

 

Anyway, I did not have good results with Sinop as well but just like you low battle count.

 

Then compare it with my Vladi win rate... and my vladi damage is no where near the level that the win rate would make some sense. 

 

Low battle count -> not enough data.

 

Sinop was so much better as Izmail with the 3 rear turret setup, I did not sell her yet and even trained a new captain for her. I will keep playing her ( though I guess mainly after I done with the line grind, as I want to finish that and I don't play that many games ). 

 

Na this isnt about WR Im just asking why people call Sinop so OP because I dont see it. Honestly, and this is gonna get just as much flak. I dont see the claimed russian bias people are stating. I have a LOT of ships, 130 right now and I even sold a few I never played and Im grinding all lines and all nations. In my oppinion and atleast in my playstyle I think the US lines are by far the best in the game. Except for maybe CVs where I think the IJN CVs are better.

Montana is easely my favorite T10 BB. Massaschusetts IS OP no doubt about it. Gearing is a very solid DD. Black is one of my favorite DDs even thou I dont have all that many games in her. Des Moines is also one of my favorite ships in the game.

After that I think the french are the best. Im only at tier 8 with the french cruisers but Charles Martel feels so good, fast and high dpm. The BBs are interesting, they might hot have as much carry capability as some other nations because of smaller guns but they are fast and are able to flank.

Honestly not many russian ships even feel that good. The russian cruiser line is pretty fun to play up to like tier 8-9. Chapayev is okay but Donskoi is simply not my cup of tea and even thou I dont have Moskva yet I havent heard good things about her.

Kremlin is one ship I can see is slightly OP. I dont really have an issue with her guns but she simply WILL NOT die. That together with the guns make her a bit OP but its not THAT bad I think. Stalingrad is a bit OP aswell, mostly because of the accuracy and the pen angles. Smolensk I dont know, I dont have her (will get her tonight or tomorrow). Honestly, shes another ship I dont see being as OP as people claim althou I guess well see when I finally get her. Yes she can burn down cruisers very fast when you get close, but she almost only shatters on BBs. Shes strong but not THAT strong. Maybe her gun range could be nerfed a bit.

 

I also want to point out two things. I created this thread for two reasons. One because I wanted to know why Sinop is considered OP and what Im doing wrong in her and how I should play her since I obviously cant. And if the russian BB line remains the same kind of way as Sinop. So far I dont think anyone has actualy even attempted to answer those questions.

[Hanse77SWE]

I only have one random in her but 36.11% hit ratio says something about the guns.

 

Also: If others do well in a ship that you suck in, then they must know/do something you don't. What can it be?

[Floofz]

6 minutes ago, Hanse77SWE said:

I only have one random in her but 36.11% hit ratio says something about the guns.

 

Also: If others do well in a ship that you suck in, then they must know/do something you don't. What can it be?

 

You dont suppose that MAYBE that is exactly what I asked?

[Hanse77SWE]

18 minutes ago, Floofz said:

 

You dont suppose that MAYBE that is exactly what I asked?

Then you're in the wrong place.

Only you know how you play a ship and we can't help you. Look to yourself for the answers.

[ForlornSailor]

52 minutes ago, Floofz said:

I wanted to know why Sinop is considered OP and what Im doing wrong in her and how I should play her since I obviously cant.

 

Cant judge that without material aka throw some replays up & you´ll get some feedback.