Yahagi in the shop

[VPH030]

This week's new ship is the Yahagi. Since it's been a while since it was tested - does anyone remember if she is any good?

Happy hunting.

[Ruruni]

Haven't purchased yet but look at wiki (if you haven't already check)  

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Yahagi

[NoirLotus]

Is it also available in the armory ?

[Blixies]

60 kts 12 km torpedoes with 30 120 second reload? Could be interesting :)

[Panocek]

6 minutes ago, Blixies said:

60 kts 12 km torpedoes with 30 second reload? Could be interesting :)

30s reload per fish maybe, as store description states 120s reload

[Blixies]

1 minute ago, Panocek said:

30s reload per fish maybe, as store description states 120s reload

My bad, 0.5 per minute is not 2 per minute. Thanks for pointing it out.

[Panocek]

Going by wowsft, she is kinda flimsy at 25.7k hp, with CE have 2km of stealth torping window. And torps themselves may hit hard, but are slowish at 60kts and have not so sneaky 1.6km detection. Guns don't seem inspiring - 9s reload on 6 guns total of CL caliber, at least range is solid, though ballistics may be wonky.

 

Does have access to Engine Boost for reasons though.

[Yedwy]

I got one looks nice and I was looking forward to an IJN CL premium even if its only T5, high enough for the weekly stuff and she can house my mogami captian when the said is in the warf ^^

[invicta2012]

How's her AA? 

[fumtu]

She was kinda meh when last time I saw it tested. It has good torps for T5 and that is it. Torpedo angles a awful, guns are bad, only six with decent HE but bad AP and not the fastest reload. 

[JapLance]

Being focused in a two carrier game with a  T5 Japanese cruiser is not a nice experience. Been through it with Furutaka and it simply makes it impossible for me to buy a similar ship.

[Vbeest]

Seems IJN can not have decent ships. Yahagi seems rather bad, it has no selling point at all.

 

And being T5 limits its usefulness (no operations, buffed to be T6 would be much better). Yubari seems a much better ship and lots cheaper (cash or coal!).

[Yedwy]

Actually since most weeklys and directives are are T5+ I would say its other way around, besides 6 guns are more then 4 guns and she has better range and she has double the torp... I would grade her to have much more true utility for everyday use but I will see how it pans out IRL, one way or another playing T4 or below ship of any kind seems rather pointles most of the time...

[Vbeest]

4 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Actually since most weeklys and directives are are T5+ I would say its other way around, besides 6 guns are more then 4 guns and she has better range and she has double the torp... I would grade her to have much more true utility for everyday use but I will see how it pans out IRL, one way or another playing T4 or below ship of any kind seems rather pointles most of the time...

 

Yeah, you are right. For mission purposes it is essentially more useful than Yubari. But its combat potential is a bit worrying.

[Procrastes]

It's good to see the Imperial Japanese Navy getting their own premium tier V cruiser, at long last. As Yedwy stated in pot #13 above, it is a fairly useful tier for a premium. The special gimmick of the Yahagi seems to be an engine boost, raising her speed from 35 to 40 knots if I read the sales page correctly. Not a bad trick, especially at tier V, but if we compare her with her British counterpart, the Exeter, my money would still be on the latter.

 

As it happens for me, I have no IJN cruiser captain trained in IFHE skill. The guns on the Atago doesn't need it, and the Kaga and the Yubari won't face many opponents where it would make all that much of a difference. So I'm wondering, just how mandatory will the IFHE skill be on the Yahagi?

[Yedwy]

@Vbeest True, but then again 6 gun Huang works out quite ok damage wise, ok she has russian barrels and a tad better reload but since she is also at T6 it should be roughly comparable, actually when you do the math Yahagi dishes out around 34600 HE DPM (real dpm meaning calculated with 1/3 of max damage per shell value since you will hardly cit much with 6" he shells) while say Emil Bertin does some 30500 HE DPM for comparison and Exeter does 22800 HE DPM aldough she pens some more armor since she is 8"

[Panocek]

7 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

As it happens for me, I have no IJN cruiser captain trained in IFHE skill. The guns on the Atago doesn't need it, and the Kaga and the Yubari won't face many opponents where it would make all that much of a difference. So I'm wondering, just how mandatory will the IFHE skill be on the Yahagi?

Only when facing higher tier BBs and even then, few of them are armored enough to ignore cruiser HE.

 

CA with IFHE on other hand get to damage up to 43mm plating, which means USN BBs, Alaska deck as well Uncle Vlad and Uncle Lenin

[Yedwy]

Lenin has 45mm deck IIRC

[Vbeest]

11 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

@Vbeest True, but then again 6 gun Huang works out quite ok damage wise, ok she has russian barrels and a tad better reload but since she is also at T6 it should be roughly comparable, actually when you do the math Yahagi dishes out around 34600 HE DPM (real dpm meaning calculated with 1/3 of max damage per shell value since you will hardly cit much with 6" he shells) while say Emil Bertin does some 30500 HE DPM for comparison and Exeter does 22800 HE DPM aldough she pens some more armor since she is 8"

 

Yeah, maybe it won't be that bad after all. 

 

Still, it's funny how WG treats torpedoes. IJN cruisers seem to be debuffed in other areas cause they have good-on-paper torpedo armament. It's just torpedoes on paper cruisers are not very useful as long-range torping works only against poor players who are less than a threat in battles.

[Yedwy]

Well actually the long torps are area denial weapons more then beeing meant to deal that much damage in itself the IJN incresed HE shell damage and fire chance are more of the reason they debuff them in other aspects IMHO as the torps come into play every now and then but improved HE in every fight...

[HaachamaShipping]

17 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

It's good to see the Imperial Japanese Navy getting their own premium tier V cruiser, at long last. As Yedwy stated in pot #13 above, it is a fairly useful tier for a premium. The special gimmick of the Yahagi seems to be an engine boost, raising her speed from 35 to 40 knots if I read the sales page correctly. Not a bad trick, especially at tier V, but if we compare her with her British counterpart, the Exeter, my money would still be on the latter.

 

As it happens for me, I have no IJN cruiser captain trained in IFHE skill. The guns on the Atago doesn't need it, and the Kaga and the Yubari won't face many opponents where it would make all that much of a difference. So I'm wondering, just how mandatory will the IFHE skill be on the Yahagi?

I'd compare to Furutaka and there, the question arises, why play a Yahagi over Furutaka? Sure, the Yahagi has slightly better HE dpm, better torp armament, better concealment, better range and better speed, but none of that is as reliable as the Furutaka's 25 mm plating, 48 mm deck, ability to AP overmatch other T5s and good torp angles.

11 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

@Vbeest True, but then again 6 gun Huang works out quite ok damage wise, ok she has russian barrels and a tad better reload but since she is also at T6 it should be roughly comparable, actually when you do the math Yahagi dishes out around 34600 HE DPM (real dpm meaning calculated with 1/3 of max damage per shell value since you will hardly cit much with 6" he shells) while say Emil Bertin does some 30500 HE DPM for comparison and Exeter does 22800 HE DPM aldough she pens some more armor since she is 8"

Huang He has a creeping smoke that is a way better survivability asset than speed boost. Even so, the greatest shortcoming of Huang He, which is the reason that she often receives such poor remarks is the absolutely poor dpm.

3 minutes ago, Vbeest said:

 

Yeah, maybe it won't be that bad after all. 

 

Still, it's funny how WG treats torpedoes. IJN cruisers seem to be debuffed in other areas cause they have good-on-paper torpedo armament. It's just torpedoes on paper cruisers are not very useful as long-range torping works only against poor players who are less than a threat in battles.

Torps on most IJN cruisers are a decent asset, because you can launch them while kiting and get some synergy with guns, when you hit one and get a flood.Yahagi has terrible launch angles though, so you need to launch prior to turning or use them in other situations. Also, it's hard to argue about torp armament trade-offs, given Furutaka, Myoko, Mogami anf Zao are quite great cruisers, while Aoba and Ibuki are at least solid. premium Atago and Yoshino also work well, Azuma has no torps.

[Smeggo]

Vor 1 Stunde, fumtu sagte:

She was kinda meh when last time I saw it tested. It has good torps for T5 and that is it. Torpedo angles a awful, guns are bad, only six with decent HE but bad AP and not the fastest reload. 

Same impression here. Some testers liked her, I personally recommend the Exeter instead.

[Yedwy]

53 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Huang He has a creeping smoke that is a way better survivability asset than speed boost. Even so, the greatest shortcoming of Huang He, which is the reason that she often receives such poor remarks is the absolutely poor dpm.

I was not talking about survivability aspects, also yes Huang has bad DPM compared to most of the other T6 CLs that have more guns then her but she still does ok and Yahagi does not suffer in real HE DPM compared to other T5 cruisers except omaha (and clones) that does a whopping 44000 HE DPM with a broadside of 8 guns but the rest of T5 cruisers lag behind her even more...

 

Edit:

Marbelhead - 52800

Omaha/Murmansk - 44000

Konigsberg - 40800

Yahagi - 34600

Kirov - 33300

Emile Bertin - 30500

Furutaka - 26400

Exeter - 22800

[anonym_XGuN6pHmfiJ9]

Didn't that ship have bad torp angles? That if you wanted to use them you had to give full broadside? 

[Jethro_Grey]

Any screenies of the torp angles?