Well... it appears that the "Hosho" will be nerfed soon...

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

Well... it appears that the "Hosho" will be nerfed soon... 

 

From WoWs DevBlog:

 

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Japanese aircraft carrier Hosho, tier IV:

• New torpedoes Type 91 mod. 0 have been installed instead of the old Type 91 mod. 1. The new torpedoes speed will be 40 knots instead of 50.

• Reduced the returning speed of torpedo bombers to the aircraft carrier by 40%.

Due to a high cruising and returning speed for Torpedo Bombers, experienced players that avoided aircraft losses could solely use Torpedo Bombers. Both changes listed above will increase the amount of damage taken by Torpedo Bombers (the climb after the attack will be slower, and to effectively attack Torpedo Bombers will have to fly closer to their target). The new speed will also reduce the effectiveness of Torpedo Bombers against destroyers as it gives them the opportunity to manoeuvre and evade.

 

Strong Torpedo Bombers is one of the main features of the Japanese aircraft carriers, which we would like to preserve. With these changes, we plan to balance the performance of tier IV carriers, but will also continue to monitor the situation and, if necessary, make further changes.

 

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[El2aZeR]

Return speed nerf.

Really? What kind of difference is that supposed to make?

 

Also doesn't a torp speed nerf also lower the arming distance? Won't everything literally stay the same with this?

[TheComedian1983]

They can't balance nothing and they want submarines in a game

[Sunleader]

10 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

Return speed nerf.

Really? What kind of difference is that supposed to make?

 

Also doesn't a torp speed nerf also lower the arming distance? Won't everything literally stay the same with this?

 

Yep.

Its likely a Lip Service Only Nerf.

 

Time to Hit for Torpedoes will be exactly the same as before.

And Thanks to the Number of Aircraft the Return Speed is pretty Nonconsequential because the Timer to Invulnearbility is a Set number of Seconds and does not change from the Speed.

 

So in Total this basicly means no Change whatsoever.

WG thinks pretty lowly of the majority of its Playerbase and Generally considers our Average Intelligence to be around the level of a German Wiener Dog.

So they likely wanted to add some kind of CV Nerf into Patchnotes and see how many Smart People they can convince that Hosho is no longer Overpowered after the Update.

[fumtu]

10 minutes ago, TheComedian1983 said:

They can't balance nothing and they want submarines in a game

 

They want submarines in the game because they will bring "balance" to the game, especially Soviets submarines.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

2 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

They want submarines in the game because they will bring "balance" to the game, especially Soviets submarines.

I'm surprised there is no Soviet CV in the game so far, could start from tier 4 upwards, give it the torps of the Kaga, just for Rashan balance, I mean they would have to be better tha anything else wouldn't they, lol

[fumtu]

2 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

I'm surprised there is no Soviet CV in the game so far, could start from tier 4 upwards, give it the torps of the Kaga, just for Rashan balance, I mean they would have to be better tha anything else wouldn't they, lol

 

Don't worry, Soviet CVs will come to the game. Thing is WG will first introduce CV for all other suitable navies and then, as a cherry on the top, they will introduce Soviet CVs which will "balance" all other CVs.

[HaachamaShipping]

2 minutes ago, NoobySkooby said:

I'm surprised there is no Soviet CV in the game so far, could start from tier 4 upwards, give it the torps of the Kaga, just for Rashan balance, I mean they would have to be better tha anything else wouldn't they, lol

Kaga torps aren't that great. Ryuujou torps are better. Kaga's greatness comes from throwing 4 torps at once, double what you usually get with IJN and only outdone by Saipan with 4 better torps per drop.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

2 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Kaga torps aren't that great. Ryuujou torps are better. Kaga's greatness comes from throwing 4 torps at once, double what you usually get with IJN and only outdone by Saipan with 4 better torps per drop.

Yup, thats the greatness I was referring to, Soviet CV's would naturally have t be more stronk, lol

[Smeggo]

40kn torps should be way easier to evade, so yes, that is a true nerf IMHO.

[black_falcon120]

It seems that lots of people are trying to rush the grind now like me....

 

 

Though it turned out they were mainly Langleys...

[Sargento_YO]

Slower torps are truly a nerf? Think about it, slower torps means less "travel time" to activate, which means they can be relased closer to the target, hence, you have more time to aim against the target.

[veslingr]

58 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

Hi all,

 

Well... it appears that the "Hosho" will be nerfed soon... 

 

From WoWs DevBlog:

 

 

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

t4....who cares

[DeviousDave02]

6 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

Don't worry, Soviet CVs will come to the game. Thing is WG will first introduce CV for all other suitable navies and then, as a cherry on the top, they will introduce Soviet CVs which will "balance" all other CVs.

And by balance you mean, blow the socks of every other nation with 110% accurate 'clearly had during WW2' Soviet carriers armed with:

 

Torpedo bombers capable a comfy cruising speed of 120 knots without boosting and yet armored with enough Stronk soviet steel allowing for the shrugging off of direct hits from anything up to and including 46cm main batteries and possibly a K-T class extinction event.

 

Torpedoes with semi active tracking allowing for ease of use against peski fun destroying yankee DD's, each torpedo comes with a completelynotmadeupandtotallyverifiedWW2 Soviet 10 megaton nuclear fission warhead that ignore such little inconvenient things as torpedo bulges and the laws of physics (in Soviet Russia Physics obey YOU)

 

And lets not forget that Soviet CV's will have a close in defense that pretty much equates to Yamato strapped to each side of your Carrier with an Atlanta bolted on top for good measure. You know, for when your tired of LOL ganking every other ship from the sky and really feel the need to roll up next to a Montana and just slap it across the face at point blank range.

[mtm78]

14 minutes ago, veslingr said:

t4....who cares

 

You should.

 

If every new player quits out of frustration, the longevity of this game is guaranteed to spiral downwards.

[veslingr]

33 minutes ago, fumtu said:

 

Don't worry, Soviet CVs will come to the game. Thing is WG will first introduce CV for all other suitable navies and then, as a cherry on the top, they will introduce Soviet CVs which will "balance" all other CVs.

Only problem is taht RU had/has only 1 CV in history....

 

but it could fit

 

Kuznetsov - 45. - t4

Kuznetsov - 50. - t6

kuznetsov - 75 - t8

Kuznetsov 2001 - t10

 

[veslingr]

1 minute ago, mtm78 said:

 

You should.

 

If every new player quits out of frustration, the longevity of this game is guaranteed to spiral downwards.

ah even with this nerf it is short grind and still viable ship. Better balance t7+

[HaachamaShipping]

1 minute ago, veslingr said:

ah even with this nerf it is short grind and still viable ship. Better balance t7+

Hosho is a short grind indeed, because it's OP af and the "nerf" is hardly one, which is why people point that out. Just, the presence of OP Hosho and the fact you basically run into 4-6 CVs every T3-5 game is the reason people are concerned because if you grind for example Russian cruisers, have fun playing your no-AA ships against torp bombers and AP DBs, where one good hit eradicates a good part of your hp forever and a good Hosho has no issues landing the hits. This is not a state of affairs conductive to player retention at low tiers, where new players start.

[asalonen]

44 minutes ago, Smeggo said:

40kn torps should be way easier to evade, so yes, that is a true nerf IMHO.

This is simply not true. If the arming time is the same -- and they didn't mention changing it -- then you can drop closer and the reaction time for the target is exactly the same.

 

40 knots instead of 50 knots makes them a bit easier to evade for fast, small targets like a French or Russian DD, since they can outrun them. But battleships or low-tier cruisers there's absolutely no difference. Generally 40 knots would be considered "fast enough" for a CV -- just ask any player of a USN or RN carrier, as they only get 40 knots with the Torpedo Acceleration skill.

[veslingr]

9 minutes ago, Cagliostro_chan said:

Hosho is a short grind indeed, because it's OP af and the "nerf" is hardly one, which is why people point that out. 

CV on low tier are and will "hunt" low tier BBs....it is the way of life on low tiers, and why most clasestry to rush thrue them

 

it is not fun to be in BB without AAA

it is not fun to be a DD with shorter torpedo range than stealth

and so on.

 

thats why i think state of balance on t3-4-5 is not very important....will we lose somebody on those low tiers due to "frustratio"...yes we will....but i am 99% sure that true hell would break if those players stick and level to t10.

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

7 minutes ago, veslingr said:

CV on low tier are and will "hunt" low tier BBs....it is the way of life on low tiers, and why most clasestry to rush thrue them

 

it is not fun to be in BB without AAA

it is not fun to be a DD with shorter torpedo range than stealth

and so on.

 

thats why i think state of balance on t3-4-5 is not very important....will we lose somebody on those low tiers due to "frustratio"...yes we will....but i am 99% sure that true hell would break if those players stick and level to t10.

If you, Sir, had been on SMS Titanic, your reponse to hitting the iceberg would have been: "Well, at least we have loads of ice for our drinks".

[veslingr]

2 minutes ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said:

If you, Sir, had been on SMS Titanic, your reponse to hitting the iceberg would have been: "Well, at least we have loads of ice for our drinks".

yes sir...good one :)

[mtm78]

11 minutes ago, veslingr said:

CV on low tier are and will "hunt" low tier BBs...

 If only.... BB is not the most attractive target anymore.

 

12 minutes ago, veslingr said:

it is not fun to be in BB without AAA

Like uhm Pyotr you mean

 

13 minutes ago, veslingr said:

it is not fun to be a DD with shorter torpedo range than stealth

That is why you play Umizoomi.

 

13 minutes ago, veslingr said:

and so on.

 

Plenty of people like the game because they feel immersed while playing in the lower tiers, with more historical ships in game as when you go look at higher tiers. 

 

Also, tier 3-4 should be disregarded since it has protected MM still, but from tier 5 the same 'rules' apply. And you have DD's who can stealth torp... and BB's have excellent AA. 

 

 

Thing is Hosho being used to stetpad by mediocre players is manageable for experienced players to some extent, but for new players? 

 

[fumtu]

27 minutes ago, veslingr said:

Only problem is taht RU had/has only 1 CV in history....

 

Well there are probably enough paper designs to create a line

 

T4 - Komsomolets

 

 

T8 - Project 71

 

 

Premium T8 - Project 72 

 

 

T10 - The project of the aircraft carrier Kostromitinov

 

 

Find some design to fit at T6 and you have a full (paper) line of Soviet CVs.

 

[veslingr]

2 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

 

 

Thing is Hosho being used to stetpad by mediocre players is manageable for experienced players to some extent, but for new players? 

 

i thought it is Ryuo?