Anti CV Build Thread

[Rhineheart_Thor]

Operation Monkey :

 

Post your anti CV ships, skills and builds for all tiers in here, as a quick reference for players searcher's

[RenamedUser_92906789]

I am not sure if the rework is complete :) Maybe it is .... and maybe it isn't.

 

As for my builds, ever since the rework I follow this rules:

 

1. AA module.

I take it on fast firing cruisers, where ROF compensates for the accuracy.

If ROF is not high enough, I take dispersion module instead, as you have to make your every shot count.

 

2. BFT / AFT

I do not directly increase AA via those. When I take them (mostly on DDs) and I get some AA with it ... sure fine.

 

3. MAA (Masive AA / former Manual AA)

I don't take this anywhere as I lost track what it actually does ... or how helpful they really are. Have no clue if same ships still benefit (such as Minotaur)...

 

4. Fighter Plane

I find this one most helpful with protecting myself from CVs.

 

5. DefAA Consumable skill

Use it on ships that do not depend on hydro ... such as long range spammers, kiters ...

 

As you see ... I have no clue  .. or any good advice to give out regarding AA.

Lately I feel it doesn't really matter .. either CV waits that your AA is stripped and comes for you then, or you get targeted right at the beginning.

So I would also like some opinions what ships do benefit from MassiveAA skill that would justify 4 point skill.

 

Regards.

 

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

Press ~/ O (although i redirected O to be an additional mouse button, i think its mouse button 6 officially, but one of the things on the side). 

Thats all you need against most CVs. 

[Bear__Necessities]

There is no anti CV build. If I want you dead while I’m in my CV. I’ll make it so.

[Noray]

Friesland is actually great.

But do not forget to turn off your AA.

 

My current Friesland build is:

PT

LS

SE, BFT, SI, DE

CE

 

No AFT! Not only because the Shells are too floaty to hit anything reliably at Long range, but also because I only use the AA when I am spotted by the CV (or giving AA-Support to other ships which are already under attack).

The thing is. if you shoot at max AA-range, it will give the CV time to adjust his aim and shoot you. But you have like 2.5 concealment from planes. So if you wait until the planes are <3 km he will have no time to react. He can't make a quick turn and shoot you. He will loose almost his full squadron if you activate sector defense and defensive AA. It's really great.

 

Also: Smolensk. This Thing is an absolute Beast against Aircraft.

 

@Bear_Necessities

I do not agree. Of course you can kill any ship in a CV. But with some ships it is just not worth the time and resources. 

Trying to kill a Minotaur, Worcester or Smolensk might just cost you almost all your planes. Sure, you can kill him, but you won't be doing much besides of that, and you end up crippled for the rest of the game.

[Rhineheart_Thor]

12 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said:

There is no anti CV build. If I want you dead while I’m in my CV. I’ll make it so.

@Bear_Necessities

 

Greetings Bear,

 

" If you have to eat a whale, it is better to do it in bite size pieces! "

 

You dont mind us trying to fight back do you?

 

 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

There is no anti CV build. 

[Aixin]

Vor 32 Minuten, L0V3_and_PE4CE sagte:

There is no anti CV build. 

Well you can Defend yourself with the increased explosion module against most cv players..... Only few can actually dodge aa :P

[ForlornSailor]

6 minutes ago, Karotte_marksman said:

Only few can actually dodge aa

 

Those that cant dont need a special build to be made useless - and those that can wont care about your build. Thats pretty much the state of this two-dimensional system WG calls "rework"

[_NLForces_]

Once a CV commits to an attack, and only then notices you've got a full AA build, he'll still go for the attack.

So the first objective of the AA (scaring off enemy aircraft) has failed. You will shoot down a few more using the AA skills, but it's not worth sacrificing other important skills for it.

 

The second point about flak being useless, I don't agree entirely. If you're working together with someone else, you can fill the sky with flak bursts, that make it IMPOSSIBLE to fly around.

Even pro players will get vaporized, so it's not entirely wasted.

 

TL:DR

Don't trade 'normal' skills in for AA skills, it's rarely worth it.

[Bear__Necessities]

1 hour ago, Noray said:

@Bear_Necessities

I do not agree. Of course you can kill any ship in a CV. But with some ships it is just not worth the time and resources. 

Trying to kill a Minotaur, Worcester or Smolensk might just cost you almost all your planes. Sure, you can kill him, but you won't be doing much besides of that, and you end up crippled for the rest of the game.

#slingshot

 

 

1 hour ago, Orcinus1 said:

@Bear_Necessities

 

Greetings Bear,

 

" If you have to eat a whale, it is better to do it in bite size pieces! "

 

You dont mind us trying to fight back do you?

 

I've never thought about how to go about eating a whale..... But I live of the honey from the bees.

And of course I don't mind players fighting back, more exp all round for everyone :P

[Rhineheart_Thor]

3 minutes ago, Bear_Necessities said:

#slingshot

 

 

I've never thought about how to go about eating a whale..... But I live of the honey from the bees.

And of course I don't mind players fighting back, more exp all round for everyone :P

 

 

[VanD4rk]

3 Mo' division.

[Panocek]

3 hours ago, Orcinus1 said:

Operation Monkey :

 

Post your anti CV ships, skills and builds for all tiers in here, as a quick reference for players searcher's

You don't counter CV, CV counters you.

 

Whatever you can throw at your ship to improve AA, it will not stop planes unless CV guy simply misplays and eat flak. But in such case even average AA will do the job.

[Rhineheart_Thor]

17 minutes ago, VanD4rk said:

3 Mo' division.

 

Which at first ignore the Objectives and go hunt CV,s, Later when Air Supremacy is achieved, they go Cap, using your own CV to scout.

 

The 3 man Div, needs to be AA good, Fast and Mobile with smoke, ALL working as 1 Unit.

 

That System needs to be at all the tiers CV,s are at.

[VanD4rk]

2 minutes ago, Orcinus1 said:

Which at first ignore the Objectives

chase  aircraft

 

2 minutes ago, Orcinus1 said:

and go hunt CV,s, Later when Air Supremacy is achieved, they go Cap, using your own CV to scout 

 

[Rhineheart_Thor]

11 minutes ago, VanD4rk said:

chase  aircraft

 

 

Specialist CV Hunter Divisions 

 

 

Nick Named = " Birdy Bashers "

 

  

[pra3y]

I use WASD. My ship's AA is an added bonus 

[VanD4rk]

On a more serious note you can't go wrong with one US BB in your division to help a little with AA firepower. And it does not need to be AA spec.

I found in this patch the best strategy is to overlap the AA auras to be the most effective.

Just to be noted I did not played less than T7 in this patch (I don't do NTC thingy) so I don't know what is happening below that tier.

[Rhineheart_Thor]

7 minutes ago, VanD4rk said:

On a more serious note you can't go wrong with one US BB in your division to help a little with AA firepower. And it does not need to be AA spec.

I found in this patch the best strategy is to overlap the AA auras to be the most effective.

 

I thought on this @VanD4rk the issue is speed in The Birdy Bashing Units Georgia is a possibility, it needs testing in a training room.

 

You can not be waiting for some big A$$ BB to be catching up for the smoke.  

[VanD4rk]

 

4 minutes ago, Orcinus1 said:

 

I thought on this @VanD4rk the issue is speed in The Birdy Bashing Units Georgia is a possibility, it needs testing in a training room  

I don't have Georgia but it might be better, it is faster and it has the Catapult Fighter. Definetly TOP GUN stuff over there !

Good hunting comrade ! CV apocalypse is over !

[Rhineheart_Thor]

Just now, VanD4rk said:

 

I don't have Georgia but it might be better, it is faster and it has the Catapult Fighter. Definetly TOP GUN stuff over there !

Good hunting comrade ! CV apocalypse is over !

Iowa is not slow and packs a punch, you need the BB to be giving Fire Support for the Birdy Bashers across the map  

[AccidentalDischarge]

Not sure what this is about, but a DD is the only ship that can sneak on CV and finish him off..Unless, sometimes CV is faster than DD....

[Rhineheart_Thor]

5 minutes ago, AccidentalDischarge said:

Not sure what this is about, but a DD is the only ship that can sneak on CV and finish him off..Unless, sometimes CV is faster than DD....

@Accidental_Discharge 

 

It is about, doing some thing possessive, all together and formulating some sort of strategy and counter play to the CV infestation. with organisation, it can be taken back to the clans and used.

 

WE have to do some thing, and its a lot more fun than " moaning about CV,s all the time in the forum "

 

    

[AccidentalDischarge]

22 minutes ago, Orcinus1 said:

@Accidental_Discharge 

 

It is about, doing some thing possessive, all together and formulating some sort of strategy and counter play to the CV infestation. with organisation, it can be taken back to the clans and used.

 

WE have to do some thing, and its a lot more fun than " moaning about CV,s all the time in the forum "

 

    

CVs arent what they used to be with this manual flying thingy. My opinion. Actually it is fun playing CVs sometimes, but matchmaking can screw things up , big time. Like when you play Tier 6 CV vs Tier 8 BBs. You lose all your planes till you arrive position, lol.... All in all, i see no point being negative towards CVs..They are good as they are, just need improved matchmaking.