battleship hybrids

[knaveofengland]

ok guys was watching a tv program  and I see a picture of a jap  hybrid battleship that could launch limited planes  just imagine the big guns and planes as well can tell you would love to see this ship as a premium   ship was called   ise .

what other ships have you found I would say the jap sub that could launch planes sub was a monster but we have no subs so what other  hybrid ships are there

[Historynerd]

We already have our hands full in trying to work out the classes and the "orthodox" ships that we currently have; I don't think we need a "hybrid" thing to further complicate things.

 

Besides, these concepts sure look interesting, but on such designs (like the Ise-class battleships, or the Swedish Gotland cruiser) there is more than one naval historian who judges them too flawed, because by trying to be both things they weren't strong enough to be good in either role.

[Bl4ckh0g]

^Pretty much

A half battleship half carrier would be rather bad

You do not have enough firepower to engage other battleships nor planes to combat regular CVs

 

You'd be pushed back to support role on both air and surface combat

 

maybe as some kind of freakish premium

[mtm78]

I seen picture art of this hybrid, I wouldn't be so sure we will never see it.

[Exodude]

I do believe theyre planning them (which is what i've heard, but it was a long time ago). Though they would come during OBT or launch or something :3

 

(Dont take my word for it though >.<)

[Hauptbahnhof]

Yeah, pretty sure in the community questions that they are going to include the hybrid battleships.

[Userext]

now that would a damn ugly baby

think about yamato-eesex hybrid baby that ugly ************

[Zenith]

It would certainly be an interesting addition. Challenging to play I'd imagine, but definitely a change of pace. 

[Sharana]

They plan entire hybrid tree for the far future, not just few ships. I imagine the gameplay to be as escorting carrier. Going and shooting with the BBs group, but having fighters to cover that group.

[Zenith]

They plan entire hybrid tree for the far future, not just few ships. I imagine the gameplay to be as escorting carrier. Going and shooting with the BBs group, but having fighters to cover that group.

 

That's some serious multi-tasking right there. 

[Kais_S012]

I think this was touched on in a old PS2 game series called Naval Ops: commander and Wargunner. your talking about the 'BattleCarrier' right sometimes called an Assault Carrier? the front of the ship was a battle ship with a half deck on the rear for carrying a single or pair of Air Arm wings.

 

Personally i think it a bad idea to try to incorporate them. they never really existed for starters. a concept that never really even took off. you can kind of get away with using ship designs that never left the paper it was drawn on but a completely alien ship class? they might be pushing their luck a bit with it.

[Zenith]

Personally i think it a bad idea to try to incorporate them. they never really existed for starters.

 

Not strictly true.

 

Sure, it isn't a carrier in the conventional sense, but we do know that WG plays a little fast and loose with reality where paper projects are concerned. After all, most of the ships in this game - whilst looking like the real thing - perform nothing like their namesakes, either in terms of combat capability or overall sailing performance. It's an arcade game, based loosely on reality, with made up stats and HP bars.

[mtm78]

I think this was touched on in a old PS2 game series called Naval Ops: commander and Wargunner. your talking about the 'BattleCarrier' right sometimes called an Assault Carrier? the front of the ship was a battle ship with a half deck on the rear for carrying a single or pair of Air Arm wings.

 

Personally i think it a bad idea to try to incorporate them. they never really existed for starters. a concept that never really even took off. you can kind of get away with using ship designs that never left the paper it was drawn on but a completely alien ship class? they might be pushing their luck a bit with it.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Ise

 

[Kais_S012]

 

Not strictly true.

 

Sure, it isn't a carrier in the conventional sense, but we do know that WG plays a little fast and loose with reality where paper projects are concerned. After all, most of the ships in this game - whilst looking like the real thing - perform nothing like their namesakes, either in terms of combat capability or overall sailing performance. It's an arcade game, based loosely on reality, with made up stats and HP bars.

 

thats true but at the same time wouldn't it infringe a little too much into the role of two very distinctive ship classes? I havent used the carrier class myself (I prefer the Cruiser and Destroyer classes) but I fear the average gamer will not be able to multi task to that level. are you confident you could guide your air wings into place while at the same time engaging in a gunnery duel with a rival Battleship at long range?

 

Naval Ops got around it because you had no influence on your fighters once in the air, you selected "launch fighters" and that was it (pretty much how the scout planes work on BB and CC classes) you could only hope they went after the target you had sent them out to deal with.... that and teh technology jump on that game was from late WW2 all the way up to energy/ gravitational shields and wave guns.

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Ise

 

 

I stand corrected... they did exist...

 

whelp... you learn something new every day!

 

[Zenith]

I'm not saying it would be easy (I hate extreme multi-tasking), but it would at least be interesting to see. 

[chaplainDMK]

They were pretty flawed since for example Ise had a limited complement of aircraft that couldn't be recovered (unless they were seaplanes, which limited their performance), while also only carrying 8 14" guns, and having a huge backpack full of aviation fuel, bombs and munitions. 

[Historynerd]

Im my opinion, these things are not going to work... someone used the word "multitasking", and I believe this to be the key word here. What would you be? A battleship? You'd have limited armament and some dangerous vulnerabilities going against you. A carrier? You'd have a limited aircraft capability, and any "pure" carrier would sweep your planes off the sky.

Let's not forget, the Ise-class battleships were turned into this just because of desperate times, that didn't allow for pure carriers to be built and readily available. There was no dedicated concept or idea to turn them into something theoretically concrete.

[Takeda92]

I do hope we see the regular BB Ise though at least. I like their look slightly more than the Fuso-class

 

[Historynerd]

I do hope we see the regular BB Ise though at least. I like their look slightly more than the Fuso-class

 

Ise and Hyuga were rather similar to the Fuso-class; I don't know about the future of the Japanese tree, but I don't see why Ise couldn't be a premium, for example.

[Takeda92]

 

Ise and Hyuga were rather similar to the Fuso-class; I don't know about the future of the Japanese tree, but I don't see why Ise couldn't be a premium, for example.

 

She could be in a second BB line maybe. We still have Tosa battleship, Kongou BC and some blueprints that could fill the gaps.

[Zenith]

 

She could be in a second BB line maybe. We still have Tosa battleship, Kongou BC and some blueprints that could fill the gaps.

 

She'd play exactly like a T5 BB has to play when faced with T7/8 BBs. I don't see why it wouldn't be possible. 

[Historynerd]

 

She could be in a second BB line maybe. We still have Tosa battleship, Kongou BC and some blueprints that could fill the gaps.

 

That too; I didn't know it very well, so I wasn't sure if a second IJN BB line is possible. If it is, then she would totally fit in.

[knaveofengland]

I do think the multi task is quite easy with carriers controlling 4 lots of planes and moving the ships is multi tasking so the ship was real and I think why not have hybrid ships to go with the hybrid players we have , in the film tora tora tora  what was that quote again  .

 

 

 

 look what happen in leyte gulf battle single destroyer led the way then the rest followed and end result was a superior force run away that looks like many battles been in  already same in some battle in wot .

 

I would love to have a go with 1 of these hybrids

 

[Hauptbahnhof]

 

thats true but at the same time wouldn't it infringe a little too much into the role of two very distinctive ship classes? I havent used the carrier class myself (I prefer the Cruiser and Destroyer classes) but I fear the average gamer will not be able to multi task to that level. are you confident you could guide your air wings into place while at the same time engaging in a gunnery duel with a rival Battleship at long range?

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the floatplanes launched from them could carry torpedoes, so the most micromanage intensive part of Carrier play is not needed.

 

They could also get a single airplane "scout" squad that is controllable, so their role would be more to provide recon and support + manage one or two squads of divebombers at maximum.

[Unintentional_submarine]

Yeah, and even though they could carry Judys they couldn't land on them. So even dive bombers are a bit of a stretch.