submarines SUBMARINES - discussion, feedback, opinions

[BLUB__BLUB]

3 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Well we were fortunate both sides didn't even have anyone above 48% winrate, winrates were 42%, 43%, 44%, 46%, 46%, 48% in the subs (we got the 48% guy lol).

Also our two dd's died really early but somehow that didnt make much of an imapct, because im assuming besides myself( cba to check) everyone was under 54% at least.

I'm not saying I am any good myself (I have >50% in Arizona and Queen E though, which are the ones I used). 

And we can assume that everybody is fullpotato with subs anyway. 

 

3 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Odd. Walso warspite managed to snipe a DD from like half way across the map.

Well I do that with Queen E and Arizona (even better, spotterplane) as well.

One single hit means 6.300dmg on QE and you have 8, it is 5k dmag on Arizona but you have 12... 

As long as you are spotted anyway, and have the HE loaded, why not try? All skill no luck. 

 

(I hunt DDs with Conqkek as well, but that is more like "what can you do to me, hit a few torps on my nose, meh, BLAP you"....). 

 

[Eternus_Damnatio]

My first impressions on subs DO NOT ADD THEM TO THE GAME seriously if these things go mainstream then WoWs = Uninstall

[Hugh_Ruka]

21 minutes ago, Hexxas said:

CV rework , was made a mess becouse Destroyer player and you tubers aka CC complaint alot ,
first they didnt like the RTS part of the CV , wargaming made the changes then they didnt like the action part.
IT really seems like DD and CC are just big whining curling kids that get what they want all the time ,

 

The issue with RTS were the interface bugs that made playing CV a chore. But the CVs were decently balanced back then. Also the CCs (at least those that I follow) expressed concerns about aspects that actually proved problematic (and are still to this day) for the class.

 

And I don't think Des Moines, Minotaur or Atlanta are DDs.

[TunaRoll]

Vor 25 Minuten, Eternus_Damnatio sagte:

My first impressions on subs DO NOT ADD THEM TO THE GAME seriously if these things go mainstream then WoWs = Uninstall

tbh, i thinking the same. If WG forces me to play with and against this class in randoms/ranked, im quitting the game. I dont like their gameplay and i dont like how it changes the pace and meta of the game completely.

[Hexxas]

2 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

The issue with RTS were the interface bugs that made playing CV a chore. But the CVs were decently balanced back then. Also the CCs (at least those that I follow) expressed concerns about aspects that actually proved problematic (and are still to this day) for the class.

 

And I don't think Des Moines, Minotaur or Atlanta are DDs.

Notser and flamu , played DD when they started theire attacks on Carriers , and Destroyers players followed up on it ,
and we still get called name like "air cancers " , "noob " ect.  but the worse part is , lately i have been running in to people that
wishes i get corona , cancer and want me to rot in hell , tbh thats just not okay .
Becouse we DID not Ask for CV-Rework , as Carrier players we where okay with the RTS part,
but here is the kicker , it was dd players, and CCs that complaint about the RTS factor in the game..
and  when change came , guess what they still yelling at us  ( carirer players ) even thou we where perfectlu happy ,
with the rts part of the game , but back then CC and DD players was yelling about fighters sporting them ,
and it was unfair ect..  Its not the Carrier players fault that CV-rework happent , its the whining massiv DD players and CC
now granted i been forced to play other ships i dont like in this game if i wanted to complete event and so on .
But Stop the name calling of CV players , we are not at fault on that change , we adapted to the changes , but thease name
callings and need to stop .
regarding to the subs , thease subs can only be balance out if wargaming get the real data , and you dont do that with a tolken system ,
only get that by open subs for the public server and a month with this tolken system wont help on that.

 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

2 minutes ago, Hexxas said:

Notser and flamu , played DD when they started theire attacks on Carriers , and Destroyers players followed up on it ,
and we still get called name like "air cancers " , "noob " ect.  but the worse part is , lately i have been running in to people that
wishes i get corona , cancer and want me to rot in hell , tbh thats just not okay .
Becouse we DID not Ask for CV-Rework , as Carrier players we where okay with the RTS part,
but here is the kicker , it was dd players, and CCs that complaint about the RTS factor in the game..
and  when change came , guess what they still yelling at us  ( carirer players ) even thou we where perfectlu happy ,
with the rts part of the game , but back then CC and DD players was yelling about fighters sporting them ,
and it was unfair ect..  Its not the Carrier players fault that CV-rework happent , its the whining massiv DD players and CC
now granted i been forced to play other ships i dont like in this game if i wanted to complete event and so on .
But Stop the name calling of CV players , we are not at fault on that change , we adapted to the changes , but thease name
callings and need to stop .
regarding to the subs , thease subs can only be balance out if wargaming get the real data , and you dont do that with a tolken system ,
only get that by open subs for the public server and a month with this tolken system wont help on that.

 

Just turn the chat off, problem solved, WoT's has exactly the same thing with Artillery players, anyways subs are here now, not had a game yet nor have I got a rental sub, which I was sort of looking forward to, and don't you just know that soon these will make it into live random battles, whether we like it or not.

[Eternus_Damnatio]

Most people are just sick of CV's they have never been balanced since the game released personal attacks are wrong any way you look at them but if your gunna play CV then you better have thick skin my man.
As for subs they are going to ruin gameplay and will be just as bad as CV's to balance just once in the 8yrs I have played WG games it would be nice if WG actually stuck to their word and not add them.

 

[Hexxas]

1 hour ago, TunaRoll said:

I must admit i dont like the implementation of submarines. It does make the game slow, booring and even harder to balance. As a BB i totally lost my love to push, to show presence, to brawl. I would rather hide since World of Warships is slowly turning into World of Torpedos with two classes, that will torp you while you cant do anything about it. Honestly if WG implement them into our random mode (force them to EVERY single player..), i will quit the game for good. I do love the game as it is now - maybe with some more balance - but i wont play a game that has changed completely from its core. Once WG said that subs wont come into the game. Now they need to make money and here we are. FIrst we were forced to accept the CV desaster, now we are at round 2.  The game´s changed too much, imo to a worse, booring and unfair state. Playing subs get booring way too fast and playing as a BB its just not fun anymore. 

They allso said No ship will  get above 460 mm  guns , and i know atleast one ship thats on its way to be come 500+ mm guns ,
so its a change and again if you dont like change to wows mabee its time resign as captain , subs is in the real world and was
a part of WWII and when i started as CBT we was told by wargaming they wanted to keep it so realistic as possible .
Guess what Subs are real ,  so why shouldnt they implement it complely into the game ?
i mean if didnt accept that some bb can fire 24-30 km in the games and i dont respect that , then i get killed atlot faster ,
as dd , ca , CV and BB , you always have to watch out and counter whats comming after you , its part of the game , and tbh subs , will make it
more fun to play . But i get it some players dont like new things and i guess you one of them.
if you want fast games , go play wot  , or counter strike..

 

[Eternus_Damnatio]

3 minutes ago, Hexxas said:

The allso said No ship wil  get above 460 mm  guns , and i know atleast one ship thats on its way to be come 500+ mm guns ,
so its a change and again if you dont like change to wows mabee its time resign as captain , subs is in the real world and was
a part of WWII and when i started as CBT we was told by wargaming they wanted to keep it so realistic as possible .
Guess what Subs are real ,  so why shouldnt they implement it complely into the game ?
i mean if didnt accept that some bb can fire 24-30 km in the games and i dont respect that , then i get kills atlot faster ,
as dd , ca , CV and BB , you always have to watch out and counter whats comming after you , and tbh subs , will make it
more fun to play . But i get some players dont like new things and i guess you one of them.

WG wanted to keep realism lmao the game has never been close to anything resembling realism other than having some ships that actually existed WoWs is an arcade game always has been always will be.
Why should they not implement something hmmm let me think balance, fun and gameplay all come to mind.

[Hexxas]

17 minutes ago, Inappropriate_noob said:

Just turn the chat off, problem solved, WoT's has exactly the same thing with Artillery players, anyways subs are here now, not had a game yet nor have I got a rental sub, which I was sort of looking forward to, and don't you just know that soon these will make it into live random battles, whether we like it or not.

why should i do that , i need the information the team send to me in chat to help my dds and team ?
is fair that the victum has to do things that ruins his game becosue players that is rude and flaming cv ,
are doing so ?
i think not, infact players like  that shouldnt be allowed to play the game..

[Eternus_Damnatio]

1 minute ago, Hexxas said:

why should i do that , i need the information the team send to me in chat to help my dds and team ?
is fair that the victum has to do things that ruins his game becosue players that is rude and flaming cv ,
are doing so ?
i think not, infact players like  that shouldnt be allowed to play the game..

I agree you should not have to close your chat as for people that sling insults just report them they will get chat banned it is known (from experience).

[Hexxas]

8 minutes ago, Eternus_Damnatio said:

WG wanted to keep realism lmao the game has never been close to anything resembling realism other than having some ships that actually existed WoWs is an arcade game always has been always will be.
Why should they not implement something hmmm let me think balance, fun and gameplay all come to mind.

But that was what we got told when we started the closed beta testing..  so.. 
mabee accept that change is made instead of shooting every thing down before it have been out in the real world
for some time ?
TBH onme of the argument for not having SUbs , is it make the game slow ... well if you defend you DDs and Light cruisers ,
that have Debth charges and they survive in the end to hunt the sub then it would not be slow ,
Mabee instyead of thinking "I" in random battle think team ... and we all know there is no "i" in "team" 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Just now, Hexxas said:

why should i do that , i need the information the team send to me in chat to help my dds and team ?
is fair that the victum has to do things that ruins his game becosue players that is rude and flaming cv ,
are doing so ?
i think not, infact players like  that shouldnt be allowed to play the game..

Really, well the constant map pinging, and the slurs just distract, no one enters a game to be called this that or the other, when that starts I ignore all, many people want the CV in places when they can see the one CV is busy elsewhere, just brings a case for more CV's per side, and btw you don't get to say who can and cannot play the game, so until WG step up and do something, we all gotta live with it.

[Eternus_Damnatio]

2 minutes ago, Hexxas said:

But that was what we got told when we started the closed beta testing..  so.. 
mabee accept that change is made instead of shooting every thing down before it have been out in the real world
for some time ?
TBH onme of the argument for not having SUbs , is it make the game slow ... well if you defend you DDs and Light cruisers ,
that have Debth charges and they survive in the end to hunt the sub then it would not be slow ,
Mabee instyead of thinking "I" in random battle think team ... and we all know there is no "i" in "team" 

Please do not make assumptions on how I think I look at the whole picture and also WG's history.
Subs are such a bad idea and they will not make for fun and engaging gameplay people will camp even harder borders will get more hugs.
Ships that rely on stealth will have it even harder than they already do with CV's spotting them.
And as I said they will never be balanced right just like CV's.
When I talk about balance that includes the fun both playing as that class and against them not just things like dpm and health etc. 

[Hexxas]

1 minute ago, Inappropriate_noob said:

Really, well the constant map pinging, and the slurs just distract, no one enters a game to be called this that or the other, when that starts I ignore all, many people want the CV in places when they can see the one CV is busy elsewhere, just brings a case for more CV's per side, and btw you don't get to say who can and cannot play the game, so until WG step up and do something, we all gotta live with it.

No but when people shoot something down before its been out there for months,
then i pretty sure its becouse they dont want changes to happen becouse they are affraid of learning new things .

Sub will it make it game harder yes , will it make players more skill full in learning how to counter them  yes ,
will make the game more fun yes will it help people to understand if you dont protect the DD and Light cruisers
then you loose becouse you where not a team player yes , tbh i dont see anything wrong with that.
the matches might even be more fun and faster , becouse of thinking needed  insteadf of " i "it becomes team ..

Regarding the constanly pinging the mini map , other than CV players do that too , so again
we get blamed for every thing  when you play with 12 people ofn each side , other players 
ping the mini map as well to inform the team where a potenional treat is , and you see that
as annoying.. well dude i bet you one of thouse players that only think of your own stats
instead of the team and the objective.

 

 

[Hexxas]

6 minutes ago, Eternus_Damnatio said:

Please do not make assumptions on how I think I look at the whole picture and also WG's history.
Subs are such a bad idea and they will not make for fun and engaging gameplay people will camp even harder borders will get more hugs.
Ships that rely on stealth will have it even harder than they already do with CV's spotting them.
And as I said they will never be balanced right just like CV's.
When I talk about balance that includes the fun both playing as that class and against them not just things like dpm and health etc. 

So you dont want to be challenge in the game , you just want fast kills , fast stats to show you friends ?
tbh the game need the subs , to make people think about team play and the worth of protechting team mates ,
like DD and Cruisers . Subs make people change their view , instead of the "i" the have to think "team" and
you dont think thats a good thing ??

 

 

[BLUB__BLUB]

38 minutes ago, Inappropriate_noob said:

anyways subs are here now, not had a game yet nor have I got a rental sub, which I was sort of looking forward to, and don't you just know that soon these will make it into live random battles, whether we like it or not.

Just whack them with CV mate you'll love it. I did like it on test server. 

And let's wait and see what WG does, maybe they have learned from Reeeework. 

One positive thing at least now they put it in separate mode. 

And they "invented" something to prevent people from just lining up in subs. 

[Eternus_Damnatio]

Just now, Hexxas said:

So you dont want to be challenge in the game , you just want fast kills , fast stats to show you friends ?
tbh the game need the subs , to make people think about team play and the worth of protecting team mates ,
like DD and Cruisers . Subs make people change the view , instead of the "i" the have to think "team" and
you don think thats a good thing ??

 

Again with the assumptions do you think I got a 65%WR by thinking of myself lol sticking you on block pointless talking to you.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Just now, Hexxas said:

No but when people shoot something down before its been out there for months,
then i pretty sure its becouse they dont want changes to happen becouse they are affraid of learning new things .

Sub will it make it game harder yes , will it make players more skill full in learning how to counter them  yes ,
will make the game more fun yes will it help people to understand if you dont protect the DD and Light cruisers
then you loose becouse you where not a team player yes , tbh i dont see anything wrong with that.
the matches might even be more fun and faster , becouse of thinking needed  insteadf of " i "it becomes team ..

Regarding the constanly pinging the mini map , other than CV players do that too , so again
we get blamed for every thing  when you play with 12 people ofn each side , other players 
ping the mini map as well to inform the team where a potenional treat is , and you see that
as annoying.. well dude i bet you one of thouse players that only think of your own stats
instead of the team and the objective.

 

 

Lol, no I absolutely do not think of my own stats, i would rather forget them, and usually find if i do on the odd occasion tell my team of some impending doom, they usually ignore me anyway, regardless of what class of ship I am playing, if chat spam starts it gets turned off, end of, I will not tolerate it, rudeness does not equate to help.

[Hexxas]

1 minute ago, Eternus_Damnatio said:

Again with the assumptions do you think I got a 65%WR by thinking of myself lol sticking you on block pointless talking to you.

Again with the stats ...  really not a good argument not to implement subs
funny people always run to the stats like its the best thing ever , its not , tbh i do not care about stats ,
i care about getting the job done , and that mean i die alot to block peoeple from caps  ect.
and as cv i do alot of spoting for the team loosing about of planes , and i always  try to protect they dds
even when it cost my planes . Guess thats worthless since im not a unicom player and i do think team instead of i

 

[TunaRoll]

Vor 16 Minuten, Eternus_Damnatio sagte:

Please do not make assumptions on how I think I look at the whole picture and also WG's history.
Subs are such a bad idea and they will not make for fun and engaging gameplay people will camp even harder borders will get more hugs.
Ships that rely on stealth will have it even harder than they already do with CV's spotting them.
And as I said they will never be balanced right just like CV's.
When I talk about balance that includes the fun both playing as that class and against them not just things like dpm and health etc. 

This is true. I dont see any form of a BIG PLUS in terms of gameplay and fun for the community as a whole. The whole mechanic isnt really fun itself. It is lame, it is booring, it slows the game down dramatically. It does not even feel rewarding in killing a sub..tbh it doesnt even need any skill. And it forces other classes like BBs to change their gameplay completely ( to the worse..) You dont really want to maintain you role as a presence showing tank anymore since you are literally playing World of Torpedos (instead of World of WARSHIPS). You cant see or counter ANOTHER enemy class. You should never have such an feeling in an online, multiplayer game. I dont see any benefit if they FORCE this class into random.

 

If people want to play this mechanic, they should be able to do that in separat mode or operations. But the majority of players want to play rather a balanced base game of World of Warships than a second, hard to balance class just like CVs before. I LOVE this game as it is, well maybe in a more balanced way of course..we all know that there a problems like russian bias, CVs, paper ships etc etc. I dont want or need subs in the current game mode, it will just cost a lot of resources which makes it even harder to create a good,balanced and functioning core game. If WG cant balance this game RIGHT NOW, how do they believe that they can fix the game with even MORE work on the balancing side. I see a disastrous state of the game incoming, tbh. In the last 5 month i spend a lot of time and money into this game ( which i dont regret), but the whole new sub mechanic make me really consider quitting the game because the game is loosing its action, pace and fun.

[FerrowTheFox]

Vor 8 Minuten, Hexxas sagte:

No but when people shoot something down before its been out there for months,
then i pretty sure its becouse they dont want changes to happen becouse they are affraid of learning new things .

Ever thought that people may actually have a good understanding of how potential changes will alter the gameplay and meta? When the CV rework was in testing several very knowledgeable people told WG that it would cause a lot of problems and lead to a stale meta. WG didn't listen and surprise the exact concerns that were presented are still here today. Also, it would be nice to give new mechanics the benefit of the doubt, but with the sunk cost fallacy rampant with WG once a lot of work has been done and the product been out there for months, the chance of them saying "oops, we were wrong, this ruins the game after all, we'll roll back" is zero.

 

So I have to forgive people for being negative to potential changes when the record shows that the last ones have often been detrimental to the game and won't be rectified if found out to be a problem.

[Hexxas]

3 minutes ago, TunaRoll said:

This is true. I dont see any form of a BIG PLUS in terms of gameplay and fun for the community as a whole. The whole mechanic isnt really fun itself. It is lame, it is booring, it slows the game down dramatically. It does not even feel rewarding in killing a sub..tbh it doesnt even need any skill. And it forces other classes like BBs to change their gameplay completely ( to the worse..) You dont really want to maintain you role as a presence showing tank anymore since you are literally playing World of Torpedos (instead of World of WARSHIPS). You cant see or counter ANOTHER enemy class. You should never have such an feeling in an online, multiplayer game. I dont see any benefit if they FORCE this class into random.

 

If people want to play this mechanic, they should be able to do that in separat mode or operations. But the majority of players want to play rather a balanced base game of World of Warships than a second, hard to balance class just like CVs before. I LOVE this game as it is, well maybe in a more balanced way of course..we all know that there a problems like russian bias, CVs, paper ships etc etc. I dont want or need subs in the current game mode, it will just cost a lot of resources which makes it even harder to create a good,balanced and functioning core game. If WG cant balance this game RIGHT NOW, how do they believe that they can fix the game with even MORE work on the balancing side. I see a disastrous state of the game incoming, tbh. In the last 5 month i spend a lot of time and money into this game ( which i dont regret), but the whole new sub mechanic make me really consider quitting the game because the game is loosing its action and pace.

That role never been there since dd is the caping force ,
bb sail to out to max range and stay there most of the match ,
only when they are forced to enter the cap they will  do it . i got alot of  video that shows that .. 

 

[TunaRoll]

Vor 7 Minuten, Hexxas sagte:

That role never been there since dd is the caping force ,
bb sail to out to max range and stay there most of the match ,
only when they are forced to enter the cap they will  do it . i got alot of  video that shows that .. 

 

A good BB player tanks damage (since he has the health pool and armor to do that..) to keep his friendly DDs (spotting, torping, harassing) and Cruiser (high dpm) do their job and pushes in when its needed (brawling, presence, final push). But with subs, they will camp on max range or behind islands  like cruisers in the current HE-meta. The matches will feel even more booring and slow. It just seems like a decline in engaging gameplay and fun.

[Hexxas]

9 minutes ago, FerrowTheFox said:

Ever thought that people may actually have a good understanding of how potential changes will alter the gameplay and meta? When the CV rework was in testing several very knowledgeable people told WG that it would cause a lot of problems and lead to a stale meta. WG didn't listen and surprise the exact concerns that were presented are still here today. Also, it would be nice to give new mechanics the benefit of the doubt, but with the sunk cost fallacy rampant with WG once a lot of work has been done and the product been out there for months, the chance of them saying "oops, we were wrong, this ruins the game after all, we'll roll back" is zero.

 

So I have to forgive people for being negative to potential changes when the record shows that the last ones have often been detrimental to the game and won't be rectified if found out to be a problem.

I was part of the testing phase back in the days when WG wanted to make change and yes they didnt hear ,
but CC where hammering the CV change right away , the dev team didnt get a chance to collect the data,
becouse the CCs did theire whining , i see the same thing happening to the subs , mabee give the dev team
time to collect the data , instead of just shooting it down right away..
Honestly people that shot it down before its even tested and collected data , they do it for only 1 reason ,
that thats becosue they dont like the new challenges it brings ...
mabee Wargaming should make and sandbox version of the game that sticks completely to the old ways,
and peeple that dont like new things or game mechanics  can go there to play ...

i do not get why people is so affraid of new things in games..