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I've just started to get myself back into WoWS again after being away for some time (I was a CBT back in the day so I'm well out of touch with the current situation).

 

I've started to grind out all the BB lines from tier 3 and I've found myself up against 2 tier 4 carriers on each team in pretty much every match and usually end up being torped to death and going around in circles trying to dodge incoming air attacks - achieving pretty much nothing except to watch my health pool disappear more rapidly than I would like.  My AA does nothing and I turn and go forward so slow that I'm a sitting duck.  I'm left with the conclusion that the only way to guard against air attacks is to park next to my own CV's and try to use the fighter cover they inevitably seem to give themselves.

 

Is this the current low tier meta or am I missing something?  Getting a little disheartened.  If it is the meta - does it get better at higher tiers with better AA?

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T4 CV’s are OP, actually just Hosho. So people are flooding the low tiers trying to pad their stats making it miserable for players like you.

 

Pretty much sums it up.

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6 minutes ago, roboharrisono1 said:

Is this the current low tier meta or am I missing something?  Getting a little disheartened.  If it is the meta - does it get better at higher tiers with better AA?

Everyone statpadding and farming new players in T4 carriers is the meta. And while it gets better at higher tiers by virtue of not having two carriers/team every match, you will be bombed anyway unless CV guy misplays BADLY.

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Thanks guys.  So it's pretty much a matter of getting to Tier 6 BB's in order to weather the worst of the storm - at least AA get's better as i climb the tiers a bit.  It's a bit of a joke at Tier 3 from where I'm sat.  Interesting it's just the Hosho though that's considered OP.  What's the advantage that carrier has over the others?  I would play it to find out but I have no desire to play with planes.......I'm here for the ships.

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The T4 MM is broken due to the carriers, it ruins the fun for most of the new players and even veterans. 

 

I was thinking of grinding Pan-Asian DDs for the Research Bureau but just gave up after reaching T4, what's the point of playing a Minekaze with worse torps no AA and getting farmed by 3 x CVs a game. Nice way to scare away new players WG... 

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6 minutes ago, roboharrisono1 said:

 

Is this the current low tier meta or am I missing something?  Getting a little disheartened.  If it is the meta - does it get better at higher tiers with better AA?

 

There's a couple of factors here - low tier dont have much AA (you do at higher tier), cant launch catapult fighters (can at higher tier), dont have access to defensive fire (higher tier), friendly CV cant put fighter escorts (higher tier), and the number of CV  is capped at 3 while this is 2 or 1 in higher tiers.

 

Previously this wasnt a huge problem since tier 4 CV were rather medoocre. WG however in their infinite wisdom decided to massively buff the tier 4 CV by giving the planes loads more HP, doubling how many they have, and doubling how many torps they can put in the water at once.

 

This means that particularly the hosho is rather OP. Which unfortunately means its rather popular with stat padders, seal clubbers, people who are crap with higher CV, and people who wanted to try CV but were put off by the low tiers being mediocre

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26 minutes ago, roboharrisono1 said:

I've just started to get myself back into WoWS again after being away for some time (I was a CBT back in the day so I'm well out of touch with the current situation).

 

I've started to grind out all the BB lines from tier 3 and I've found myself up against 2 tier 4 carriers on each team in pretty much every match and usually end up being torped to death and going around in circles trying to dodge incoming air attacks - achieving pretty much nothing except to watch my health pool disappear more rapidly than I would like.  My AA does nothing and I turn and go forward so slow that I'm a sitting duck.  I'm left with the conclusion that the only way to guard against air attacks is to park next to my own CV's and try to use the fighter cover they inevitably seem to give themselves.

 

Is this the current low tier meta or am I missing something?  Getting a little disheartened.  If it is the meta - does it get better at higher tiers with better AA?

 

In a nut shell no.

 

But right now your in CV rework hell with 22 OP Hosho per load up screen. 

 

If a CV wants to hit you in this game, you will get hit.  Old days have gone. 

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9 minutes ago, roboharrisono1 said:

Thanks guys.  So it's pretty much a matter of getting to Tier 6 BB's in order to weather the worst of the storm - at least AA get's better as i climb the tiers a bit.  It's a bit of a joke at Tier 3 from where I'm sat.  Interesting it's just the Hosho though that's considered OP.  What's the advantage that carrier has over the others?  I would play it to find out but I have no desire to play with planes.......I'm here for the ships.

Doesn't get better, as AA is insufficient to stop air attacks at all tiers unless you literally pack 4 "high AA" ships within 4 square kilometers. And tier 6 BBs will see quite a number of tier 8 BBs which can happily overmatch your not so armored battleboat.

 

Hosho went from "meh" to "broken OP" when WG doubled amount of torps you can drop per run, from one to two:Smile_smile: Combined with high torpedo speed of their and above average alpha, things AND removal of flak AA mechanic on medium caliber AA guns went haywire remarkably quickly

 

Basically "uphill struggle" is name of the game all the way to tier 10 and then you face somewhat high maintenance costs... unless you buy premium account and/or premium paint.

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8 minutes ago, affie said:

The T4 MM is broken due to the carriers, it ruins the fun for most of the new players and even veterans. 

 

I was thinking of grinding Pan-Asian DDs for the Research Bureau but just gave up after reaching T4, what's the point of playing a Minekaze with worse torps no AA and getting farmed by 3 x CVs a game. Nice way to scare away new players WG... 

I played my Ohotnik yesterday vs 2 CV. It is still fine. Just do not get spotted the first minute.

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1 hour ago, roboharrisono1 said:

Interesting it's just the Hosho though that's considered OP.  What's the advantage that carrier has over the others?  

Personally I think Hosho OP is overstated and a lot of the extra damage output comes from being the seal club of choice.

 

T4 CV used to have 1 torpedo each wave then WG decided they were too weak so doubled that to 2, but Hosho was balanced around having the best torps as a national flavour, so such a crude buff to all t4 CV meant she got more than anyone else.

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1 minute ago, Panocek said:

Doesn't get better, as AA is insufficient to stop air attacks at all tiers unless you literally pack 4 "high AA" ships within 4 square kilometers. And tier 6 BBs will see quite a number of tier 8 BBs which can happily overmatch your not so armored battleboat.

 

Hosho went from "meh" to "broken OP" when WG doubled amount of torps you can drop per run, from one to two:Smile_smile: Combined with high torpedo speed of their and above average alpha, things AND removal of flak AA mechanic on medium caliber AA guns went haywire remarkably quickly

I can live with being overmatched by higher tier BB's - that's a mechanic I can live with......but these air attacks I just can't take much longer.  I think I'm gonna play against the bots until I get to tier 5 then try again - it will take a while longer but I might just keep my sanity.  I know the bots are a bit rubbish and tend to suicide all over the place so I'm ready for that.  I have some free xp stored up but I refuse to use it on these low tiers - saving it for module grinds on some of the worse stock mid tiers (i'm sure there are some as this is WG - and they have form).

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9 minutes ago, roboharrisono1 said:

I can live with being overmatched by higher tier BB's - that's a mechanic I can live with......but these air attacks I just can't take much longer.  I think I'm gonna play against the bots until I get to tier 5 then try again - it will take a while longer but I might just keep my sanity.  I know the bots are a bit rubbish and tend to suicide all over the place so I'm ready for that.  I have some free xp stored up but I refuse to use it on these low tiers - saving it for module grinds on some of the worse stock mid tiers (i'm sure there are some as this is WG - and they have form).

You will face AI carriers too. And while they do not evade flak bursts, at lowtiers there aren't many ships capable of producing flak to start with. And even if they do, amount of flak is too small to do anything of relevance.

 

And to be honest, "stock syndrome" exists mostly for destroyers, as they often require new set of torps to be effective. Battleships and cruisers with upgrades gain only rudder shift time, some hp and range.

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2 minutes ago, Panocek said:

You will face AI carriers too. And while they do not evade flak bursts, at lowtiers there aren't many ships capable of producing flak to start with. And even if they do, amount of flak is too small to do anything of relevance.

but most of the stat padders won't be playing co-op I suspect - so that limits the pain I'm hoping!

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Just now, roboharrisono1 said:

but most of the stat padders won't be playing co-op I suspect - so that limits the pain I'm hoping!

Doesn't save you from "fun and engaging" carriers though.

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1 minute ago, Panocek said:

Doesn't save you from "fun and engaging" carriers though.

totally agree - but if I can limit it a bit I consider it a small win.  It's just a shame I'm having to resort to this in order to get past tier 3 and 4 BB's.

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inb4 the funpolice shows up to close the thread and point at the massive pile of chaos that is the cv rework thread. :Smile_hiding:

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1 hour ago, GarrusBrutus said:

inb4 the funpolice shows up to close the thread and point at the massive pile of chaos that is the cv rework thread. :Smile_hiding:

 

@Excavatus at all.

 

Could we have a bit more leeway with these kind of topics now, the initial shock from the rework has worn off so you shouldn't get a flood of the same topics anymore and we'll get a more productive discussion of specific topics here (such as Hosho OP) than in the bloated mess that is the pinned thread.

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1 hour ago, GarrusBrutus said:

inb4 the funpolice shows up to close the thread and point at the massive pile of chaos that is the cv rework thread. :Smile_hiding:

Wait untill submarines hit the server.

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18 hours ago, Capra76 said:

 

@Excavatus at all.

 

Could we have a bit more leeway with these kind of topics now, the initial shock from the rework has worn off so you shouldn't get a flood of the same topics anymore and we'll get a more productive discussion of specific topics here (such as Hosho OP) than in the bloated mess that is the pinned thread.

Thank you for the suggestion :)
check my last post in the main CV topic!

 

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20 hours ago, Panocek said:

Everyone statpadding and farming new players in T4 carriers is the meta. And while it gets better at higher tiers by virtue of not having two carriers/team every match, you will be bombed anyway unless CV guy misplays BADLY.

do you know any player who cares about "other guys" t4 stats?

 

tx - 50% WR (500 games)

t4 - 65% WR (4.000 games)

= insult imbecilic in chat.

 

 

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20 hours ago, Panocek said:

And to be honest, "stock syndrome" exists mostly for destroyers, as they often require new set of torps to be effective. Battleships and cruisers with upgrades gain only rudder shift time, some hp and range.

And then there are cases like Furutaka...

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