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Harugumo, Worcester, Minotaur and Smolensk

 

So worth buy colbert or save point?

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I don't want Ohio for now.

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Colbert is a hard ship to master, you will cry more than smile with this ship.

 

if you want a challenge get it

 

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In my opinion, no, its not worth it, unlike the OP Smolensk you need a team to get the most out of it because its so dependent on your team and positioning, since it has no smoke or hydro. Considering in randoms your relying on exactly that 'randoms' you wont get the 'team' it needs to get its worth, simply because the playerbase as a whole fail to grasp this concept in 99% of games you play.

In division play it can be fine. Overall i regret getting it, its absolutely not been worth the time and effort ive had to put in to regrind 'old content' if i could sell it and get my points back i would, its not an enjoyable experience trying to get its worth in solo queue even if you are a decent player because it relies on others to utilise its advantages alot more than you seems at first, very rarely do you get good games in it. You can do more in Worcester and the gameplay is similar.

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On 9/23/2019 at 2:01 PM, Shadeshot said:

In my opinion, no, its not worth it, unlike the OP Smolensk you need a team to get the most out of it because its so dependent on your team and positioning, since it has no smoke or hydro. Considering in randoms your relying on exactly that 'randoms' you wont get the 'team' it needs to get its worth, simply because the playerbase as a whole fail to grasp this concept in 99% of games you play.

In division play it can be fine. Overall i regret getting it, its absolutely not been worth the time and effort ive had to put in to regrind 'old content' if i could sell it and get my points back i would, its not an enjoyable experience trying to get its worth in solo queue even if you are a decent player because it relies on others to utilise its advantages alot more than you seems at first, very rarely do you get good games in it. You can do more in Worcester and the gameplay is similar.

 

Tier IX/X freemiums aren't probably supposed to be all OP from top to bottom.

 

I guess it's more a case of diversity than expectation that every ship will have such an "advanced" gameplay like Stalingrad: stay bow-on in the open middle of the map and f..... everyone else left and right with AP at 20 km range.

 

If someone doesn't enjoy Atlanta-like gameplay I'd just recommend to wait until November. For the second NTC season in 8.10 WG will probably rotate ships a bit and something new will be available for NTC points (Puerto Rico maybe)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 9/23/2019 at 2:01 PM, Shadeshot said:

, since it has no smoke or hydro

Dude. It has hydro. Instead of Def AA. :fish_book:

I take hydro now and help hunting DDs in late stage of the battle in it. It's a T10 Atlanta.

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On 10/4/2019 at 9:01 AM, MacArthur92 said:

Dude. It has hydro. Instead of Def AA. :fish_book:

I take hydro now and help hunting DDs in late stage of the battle in it. It's a T10 Atlanta.

I know what the ship is i have one, it doesnt have hydro, Please tell me where you get that information from?

 

Try leaving the forum once in awhile :)

 

 

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6 hours ago, Shadeshot said:

I know what the ship is i have one, it doesnt have hydro, Please tell me where you get that information from?

 

Try leaving the forum once in awhile :)

 

 

Just change the Def AA to hydro in port. Is it so hard? Def AA isn't that good anymore, changed it on most of my ships. 

Keep your non relevant comments to your own. Mind your business, I'm not telling you what to do with your spare time. 

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On 10/9/2019 at 1:37 AM, pra3y said:

Lol, when you try to school someone but get schooled instead. @Shadeshot you're hilarious mate.

 

 

 

Totally. do not care for your unimportant opinion. :)

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On 9/30/2019 at 11:44 AM, radius77 said:

 

Tier IX/X freemiums aren't probably supposed to be all OP from top to bottom.

 

I guess it's more a case of diversity than expectation that every ship will have such an "advanced" gameplay like Stalingrad: stay bow-on in the open middle of the map and f..... everyone else left and right with AP at 20 km range.

 

If someone doesn't enjoy Atlanta-like gameplay I'd just recommend to wait until November. For the second NTC season in 8.10 WG will probably rotate ships a bit and something new will be available for NTC points (Puerto Rico maybe)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im not saying it cant work and im not saying i dont enjoy atlanta gameplay and im definitely not saying its op, but with the current state of game its hard to 'recommend' since its alot more risk/reward compared to say smolensk which has a better kit for randoms, because 9x10 you cant really rely on others to play together. The times you can (rarely) its fantastic and fun or when you can a good map for it. 

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3 hours ago, Shadeshot said:

Totally. do not care for your unimportant opinion. :)

In response to the post that was edited over, it was because your response to MacArthur92 was just rude and condescending.

 

  On 10/4/2019 at 7:52 AM, Shadeshot said:

Im going to be the one person to say this. Its always funny to read this kind of topics because it further reinforces the points the OP's of said topics make.

 

This forum is toxic af everyone is generally a moron, not helpful or constructive, some spend way too much time on this forum cause they are obesssesed with forum post numbers or something (idk) , and you know what i agree with what the op is saying somewhat, game quality has dropped over the years, meta is cancerous, playerbase is totally toxic and pathetic and with most of the replies in this topic from everyone else, you just prove the point.

 

Then i saw this and went wow, hypocrite much? I mean how is this:

 

On 10/8/2019 at 7:52 PM, Shadeshot said:

I know what the ship is i have one, it doesnt have hydro, Please tell me where you get that information from?

 

Try leaving the forum once in awhile :)

 

 

even helpful or constructive. You don't even know what consumable a ship that you have has, didn't bother to even do a quick easy check and immediately act all self-rightous in denouncing someone else and insult him.

 

Seems to me that you need to have a good look at the mirror because you are the toxic, unconstructive forumite you described.

 

Now i've also seen that you can't even own up to your own mistake. But i guess even a rude, condescending, toxic and self-rightous hypocrite like you can say anything they want and get away with it (shrugs).

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I'm also pondering if I should get it but I am a bit weiry as it looks like an Atlanta vs. Flint comparison with the Ship I already own. So how do you play it? I've met a few in game and they seem hard to kill but at the same time ineffective in using that survivability?

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On the margin of this topic: 

Currently NB offers Colbert and Ohio. I wonder if in November it will be expanded by either Hayate or Marceau ?

November update 0.8.10 will start a new NB "season" so it could be that something new will appear and a tier X DD is pretty viable for naval base points.

 

Personally I was intrested in Colbert but since my last acquisition was Smolensk I wonder if Colbert is worth it combat-wise, being also a HE-spam cruiser with some obvious limitations towards Smolensk (no smoke, no torps, no point to push range too much due to horrible ballistic). A trade vs Ohio is a bit pointless to me also. In 457 realm there is Kremlin 3x3, 4x2 Thunderer with monster HE, 431 2x4 Republique comes close ... I 'm not convinced to have Montana, Georgia and Ohio in port (for a hefty 62k NB points price).

 

And anyone thinks that there is a chance that some ships will be moved  between Arsenal (steel) and Naval Base - like Bourgogne, Neustrashny ?  

  

 

 

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2 hours ago, radius77 said:

And anyone thinks that there is a chance that some ships will be moved  between Arsenal (steel) and Naval Base - like Bourgogne, Neustrashny ?  

  

Nah. They just add new ships to RB. I think Puerto Rico and some T10 DD of the 3 recently tested - Hayate, Emilio, Marceau. One of those DDs can be for steel too. 

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pinging @MacArthur92 What's your take on Colbert after some time has passed? I see you play it more than Smolensk.

Got some RP  saved up, Ohio is not an option since I got Thunderer so I was thinking on getting Colbert.

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16 hours ago, quickr said:

pinging @MacArthur92 What's your take on Colbert after some time has passed? I see you play it more than Smolensk.

Got some RP points saved up, Ohio is not an option since I got Thunderer so I was thinking on getting Colbert.

Get the Ohio it’s better than Colbert, has very good secondaries. 

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1 hour ago, MacArthur92 said:

Get the Ohio it’s better than Colbert, has very good secondaries.  

Tier for tier I would rather get Georgia than Ohio to be honest.

I'll think about it but seeing there are not many options I might as well get Colbert. Who knows when will next RB ship be added.

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While Colbert is not yet in my port, it will definitely be the next ship I will grind. I can't say I love Smolensk as I need a bath after each time I play it (and usually I get reported at least 3-4 times, no matter the result). That being said however, Colbert is not such troll when played against - if a BB hits it, it's usually a pen/citadel. This also means the ship requires more skill to be played well (positioning and dodging incoming fire).

 

On the other topics that were raised (Georgia, Ohio, Thunderer, Smolensk), my opinion is as follows:

 

> Smolensk: Ebola/Cancer for each game. Low skill requirements to get good damage results in. At the same time it is useless without spotting & support.

 

> Georgia: Probably the most fun ship for me. Quite decent gun accuracy, extremely fast (39.7kts with flag) and relatively nimble. It is somewhat fragile for a BB, but it is easy to get into good positions or bail out if necessary. Torpedo belt is lacking but it can dodge torps with relative ease. The speed tends to confuse enemies and throw their aim off. Great secondaries with 11.3km range (secondary build + flag), though the main guns turn a bit too slowly. Definitely recommended overall.

 

> Ohio: Guns & secondaries like Georgia but a very different ship overall. Armor is almost identical to Montana (good), it has one more turret compared to Georgia but contrary to the latter, Ohio feels like the most sluggish BB. It has the top speed of Yamato with the slow rudder of Montana. It is harder to play at close range as it can't really dodge torpedoes well. The main guns still hit extremely hard though and are very fast to turn (the latter - contrary to Georgia). In fact to me it seems like the Ohio has used most of its engine power to turn the guns instead of moving the ship. Still good to play, though not as fun as Georgia.

 

> Thunderer: Fragile but nimble and deadly. It is like a Conqueror with less effective heal but more effective guns and concealment. It has the Conqueror's legendary upgrade built-in, so it turns like a heavy cruiser while it does not sacrifice its concealment (12.3km with concealment build). Extremely good accuracy and fast reload means it is quite deadly to cruisers overall. When facing a bow-in BB it can still utilize the RN nuke-like HE shells. The same goes for hitting DDs and the great accuracy means they will fear you for it. The cons are similar to Conqueror - weak armor, torpedo belt and high citadel. HE spam, torpedoes and even AP if caught broadside can melt the ship very fast. The heal is better than average but not as good as the Lion/Conqueror/Nelson zombie heal. Definitely recommended.

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Thx for the short reviews @almitov Much appreciated.

I already got thunderer and it's amazing.

When it comes to Ohio/Georgia dilemma. I don't have either but Tier for tier, Georgia looks more fun to play. Thing is, there's a lot of mixed opinions out there. Some people call it strong, borderline OP. Other say it's garbage.

 

When it comes to Colbert. I realize its a HE spamming cancer but it looks more balanced than Smolensk. It doesn't have smoke so it has to island hug a lot. Or wiggle it's tail in the open. And it doesn't have torps so it can be pushed easily. I guess scoring good games in it feel much more rewarding than in smolensk.

Only thing that worries me is atrocious shell flight time. Even worst than USN CA/CLs. Hitting targets at 16km must be a fooking nightmare. 

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41 minuti fa, almitov ha scritto:

While Colbert is not yet in my port, it will definitely be the next ship I will grind. I can't say I love Smolensk as I need a bath after each time I play it (and usually I get reported at least 3-4 times, no matter the result). That being said however, Colbert is not such troll when played against - if a BB hits it, it's usually a pen/citadel. This also means the ship requires more skill to be played well (positioning and dodging incoming fire).

 

On the other topics that were raised (Georgia, Ohio, Thunderer, Smolensk), my opinion is as follows:

 

> Smolensk: Ebola/Cancer for each game. Low skill requirements to get good damage results in. At the same time it is useless without spotting & support.

 

> Georgia: Probably the most fun ship for me. Quite decent gun accuracy, extremely fast (39.7kts with flag) and relatively nimble. It is somewhat fragile for a BB, but it is easy to get into good positions or bail out if necessary. Torpedo belt is lacking but it can dodge torps with relative ease. The speed tends to confuse enemies and throw their aim off. Great secondaries with 11.3km range (secondary build + flag), though the main guns turn a bit too slowly. Definitely recommended overall.

 

> Ohio: Guns & secondaries like Georgia but a very different ship overall. Armor is almost identical to Montana (good), it has one more turret compared to Georgia but contrary to the latter, Ohio feels like the most sluggish BB. It has the top speed of Yamato with the slow rudder of Montana. It is harder to play at close range as it can't really dodge torpedoes well. The main guns still hit extremely hard though and are very fast to turn (the latter - contrary to Georgia). In fact to me it seems like the Ohio has used most of its engine power to turn the guns instead of moving the ship. Still good to play, though not as fun as Georgia.

 

> Thunderer: Fragile but nimble and deadly. It is like a Conqueror with less effective heal but more effective guns and concealment. It has the Conqueror's legendary upgrade built-in, so it turns like a heavy cruiser while it does not sacrifice its concealment (12.3km with concealment build). Extremely good accuracy and fast reload means it is quite deadly to cruisers overall. When facing a bow-in BB it can still utilize the RN nuke-like HE shells. The same goes for hitting DDs and the great accuracy means they will fear you for it. The cons are similar to Conqueror - weak armor, torpedo belt and high citadel. HE spam, torpedoes and even AP if caught broadside can melt the ship very fast. The heal is better than average but not as good as the Lion/Conqueror/Nelson zombie heal. Definitely recommended.

> Jean Bart: first and second choiche.

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9 minutes ago, oo_PhOeNiX_oo said:

> Jean Bart: first and second choiche.

 

Not sure I got that. You mean that it replaces the Smolensk & Georgia from the choice list or is it that much better than them?

 

I don't have it, but I don't fancy 380mm guns overall - bow-in CAs can be very annoying if you can't overmatch them and have to fire HE... Also the french BB turrets (except for Republique) are quite fragile.

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Better than Georgia, theSmolensk is another animal.

38 minuti fa, almitov ha scritto:

I don't have it, but I don't fancy 380mm guns overall - bow-in CAs can be very annoying if you can't overmatch them and have to fire HE... Also the french BB turrets (except for Republique) are quite fragile.

 

Excellent maneuverability, fast, access to the rapid fire consumable, to the acceleration consumable, it has a good chanche fire, practically impenetrable from the front, excellent AA, turtleback armor.
And earn mountains of credits.
Faults: few HP in comparison to the other BB, no rear turret, the 380 can suffer from long distance (but can easily ignite), the turrets can be destroyed (but only in a very close combat, I have played hundreds of games with the JB and this only happened 3 times) and the APs are really effective within 12 / 13 km only.

In my opinion is certainly better than Georgia and Ohio, the Thunderer is fantastic, but less easy to play. Smolensk is just a cancer and should be removed from the game.
This is just my opinion, of course.
Certainly, however, the JB cannot be missing from the list.

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