Suggestion about Thunderer

[koliber_1984]

WG could make an additional coupon (-25% off or even 50%) on Thunderer  for all the players that have researched and purchased the Conqueror with 457 mm guns. In some way Thunderer replaces it. What do you guys think? 

[DFens_666]

You get 35k FreeXP if you have the 457s researched prior to 0.8.8. I think thats fair enough. Its very different from the Conqueror using the 457s, basicly a new ship. And you can use a normal -25% Coupon for Coal ships anyway if you want it cheaper.

[lovelacebeer]

We get free XP and the credits back as compensation for the 457mm guns that's good enough. 

[CptMinia]

No, you're getting full compensation in FreeXP and credits for the 457mm gun module and the rest of the ship remains unchanged. Also Thunderer is quite different to the Conqueror, plays a bit like a giant warspite now really so I certainly do not consider it a replacement.

[KillStealBoss]

11 minutes ago, CptMinia said:

No, you're getting full compensation in FreeXP and credits for the 457mm gun module and the rest of the ship remains unchanged. Also Thunderer is quite different to the Conqueror, plays a bit like a giant warspite now really so I certainly do not consider it a replacement.

Yep. Warspite, Vanguard and Thunderer are all the type of British BBs we all wanted to see. 

[CptMinia]

Just now, MacArthur92 said:

Yep. Warspite, Vanguard and Thunderer are all the type of British BBs we all wanted to see. 

Very much so, unfortunately WG messed it right up. 

[Chaos_Umbra]

4 hours ago, MacArthur92 said:

Yep. Warspite, Vanguard and Thunderer are all the type of British BBs we all wanted to see. 

 

4 hours ago, CptMinia said:

Very much so, unfortunately WG messed it right up. 

Yep I hated playing every ship in the Line except the QE cause the AP was actually usable, unfortunately the proper RN BB line is only available for money, Warspite, Hood, Vanguard and Thunderer(coal)... Just missing the tier 9 and tier 5 and below, and we would have an entire line of proper RN BBs... though all premium...

[peoplescavalry]

Even worse the tier 3 slot is taken by HMS Dreadnought, put HMS Agincourt at 4 and you just need 9 to fill. 

[FukushuNL]

11 hours ago, CptMinia said:

Very much so, unfortunately WG messed it right up. 

Messed up....or intended...? ;)

[Castor_Tyndarides]

12 hours ago, DFens_666 said:

You get 35k FreeXP if you have the 457s researched prior to 0.8.8. I think thats fair enough. Its very different from the Conqueror using the 457s, basicly a new ship. And you can use a normal -25% Coupon for Coal ships anyway if you want it cheaper.

Still a shitty move if you owned a 457 Conq. There is a finite limit on how much coal you can grind daily, and with the recent addition of Georgia, Yoshino and Smolensk I'm in the red. I'd rather WG had added the Thunderer as like a "legendary" module with the same/similar mission progression for those who already had the 457 on the Conq. that a new coal ship (unless they are trying really hard to get people to buy extra containers).

[DFens_666]

6 minutes ago, Castor_Tyndarides said:

Still a shitty move if you owned a 457 Conq. There is a finite limit on how much coal you can grind daily, and with the recent addition of Georgia, Yoshino and Smolensk I'm in the red. I'd rather WG had added the Thunderer as like a "legendary" module with the same/similar mission progression for those who already had the 457 on the Conq. that a new coal ship (unless they are trying really hard to get people to buy extra containers).

 

Id agree if Thunderer would be a Conqueror with 457s. But it isnt, its straight up better imo, so i think its ok.

But i think they are throwing too much coal stuff at us at once...

[ApolloF117]

Well, just going to sell it, cus this crap isnt what i spent time researching... If i wanted a montana then i would have researched that , not the conq, that i loved with the 457s

[KillStealBoss]

11 hours ago, Chaos_Umbra said:

 

Yep I hated playing every ship in the Line except the QE cause the AP was actually usable, unfortunately the proper RN BB line is only available for money, Warspite, Hood, Vanguard and Thunderer(coal)... Just missing the tier 9 and tier 5 and below, and we would have an entire line of proper RN BBs... though all premium...

They could also do separate line of US BBs based on secondaries. But hey, let's make them premiums. 

[remenberMYname]

i use conq. only with 457. ( 65 % to fire!!!!!! )

 

i sold 420

[Miscommunication_dept]

2 hours ago, Milan_G_ said:

i use conq. only with 457. ( 65 % to fire!!!!!! )

 

i sold 420

Well you've got those 419mm back now and 35,000 freeXP.

 

The 457s are gone.

[WeGreedy]

2 hours ago, Milan_G_ said:

i use conq. only with 457. ( 65 % to fire!!!!!! )

 

i sold 420

12	*	50	=	600
8	*	65	=	520

 

457s are a bit more accurate and have a larger explosion size

 

[zordage]

I did not have the 457mm only had the ship for a few day´s but was looking forward to buy it and use it and i do hope the offer owners of Conqueror some form of way to get the guns we were working on getting.

[Maastrich]

You do not want to use the 457's on the Conqueror anyway. Even with the 'higher' firechance on the 457's vs the 420's - 12 guns will inflict more damage (and fires) compared to the 457's 8 guns.
Hardly anyone used the 457's and WG decided to move the guns onto Thunderer. A slighty better ship would be nice tho - f.ex. give Thunderer the same heal as Conqueror.... but I guess that would be a bit OP :P

Another question: Is the Thunderer worth it? When Georgia first came out the game was full of these ships, so far I've only seen one Thunderer (and the guy that ran it made it look like a joke)
I got enough coal for this steelbeast, and want to buy her. However, she is 'just' a Conqueror with 457's, faster rudder, DEF AA, and worse heal?

 

 

[Chaos_Umbra]

14 minutes ago, Maastrich said:

You do not want to use the 457's on the Conqueror anyway. Even with the 'higher' firechance on the 457's vs the 420's - 12 guns will inflict more damage (and fires) compared to the 457's.
Hardly anyone used the 457's and WG decided to move the guns onto Thunderer. A slighty better ship would be nice tho - f.ex. give Thunderer the same heal as Conqueror.... but I guess that would be a bit OP :P

Another question: Is the Thunderer worth it? When Georgia first came out the game was full of these ships, so far I've only seen one Thunderer (and the guy that ran it made it look like a joke)
I got enough coal for this steelbeast, and want to buy her. However, she is 'just' a Conqueror with 457's, faster rudder, DEF AA, and worse heal?

 

 

The main difference that the shells on the Thunderer are meant to actually go where you aim them and that the AP has normal fuse times so you can Citadel BBs, so has a different play-style from the rest of the RN BBs, probably more like the Vanguard but with hard hitting guns like Warspite. This is only based on reviews I've seen and the experience I've had playing Warspite and Vanguard, so until I get and extra 120k coal I can't say much more, though I am definitely getting it cause I hated almost all the techtree ships entirely due to the accuracy and lack of armour, at least the Thunderer fixes one of my hates the accuracy...

[THE_JUDEAN_PEOPLES_FRONT]

On 9/21/2019 at 4:48 PM, Chaos_Umbra said:

The main difference that the shells on the Thunderer are meant to actually go where you aim them and that the AP has normal fuse times so you can Citadel BBs, so has a different play-style from the rest of the RN BBs, probably more like the Vanguard but with hard hitting guns like Warspite. This is only based on reviews I've seen and the experience I've had playing Warspite and Vanguard, so until I get and extra 120k coal I can't say much more, though I am definitely getting it cause I hated almost all the techtree ships entirely due to the accuracy and lack of armour, at least the Thunderer fixes one of my hates the accuracy...

hiya.

thinking of getting the vanguard and thunderer.. would you recomend either or both

[Chaos_Umbra]

Just now, THE_JUDEAN_PEOPLES_FRONT said:

hiya.

thinking of getting the vanguard and thunderer.. would you recomend either or both

Well haven't quite got the Thunderer yet (50k coal short), but I do enjoy the Vanguard, I will say it is not a strong ship if you are looking for hard hitting guns and tankyness, what it does have is a very good rudder, good concealment and accurate guns, so while they struggle to citadel really well armour'd BBs they do well against equal tier and below BBs and handle most cruisers well, and the HE isn't bad either so you have options when the AP falls short. I did take it out once in the last ranked sprint and was able to reliable get 11-15k salvos on Bismarcks and Tirpitz when they were broadside, Vladivostoks were a bit harder to deal with. It kinda plays a bit like an openwater heavy cruiser where you want to use both ammo types depending on the situation.

 

Is it worth the price? Well if you are like me and liked the Warspite and hated the techtree RN BBs (due to the nonexistent accuracy) then it is probably a good pick especially if you are used to openwater cruiser gameplay, if you want a BB for getting in close and brawling or tanking then it is probably not for you it is easy to get citadel'd when broadside and eats a tone of HE damage.

 

As for the Thunderer, from what I've heard it is like the Vanguard but on a Conqueror hull with the 18" guns so the guns hit hard and are accurate at the expense of loosing the supper heal. So it is really down to your own preference whether you would rather beable to print new ship mid game or actually be able to hit things beyond 2km unlike the techtree ships...

[THE_JUDEAN_PEOPLES_FRONT]

6 minutes ago, Chaos_Umbra said:

Well haven't quite got the Thunderer yet (50k coal short), but I do enjoy the Vanguard, I will say it is not a strong ship if you are looking for hard hitting guns and tankyness, what it does have is a very good rudder, good concealment and accurate guns, so while they struggle to citadel really well armour'd BBs they do well against equal tier and below BBs and handle most cruisers well, and the HE isn't bad either so you have options when the AP falls short. I did take it out once in the last ranked sprint and was able to reliable get 11-15k salvos on Bismarcks and Tirpitz when they were broadside, Vladivostoks were a bit harder to deal with. It kinda plays a bit like an openwater heavy cruiser where you want to use both ammo types depending on the situation.

 

Is it worth the price? Well if you are like me and liked the Warspite and hated the techtree RN BBs (due to the nonexistent accuracy) then it is probably a good pick especially if you are used to openwater cruiser gameplay, if you want a BB for getting in close and brawling or tanking then it is probably not for you it is easy to get citadel'd when broadside and eats a tone of HE damage.

 

As for the Thunderer, from what I've heard it is like the Vanguard but on a Conqueror hull with the 18" guns so the guns hit hard and are accurate at the expense of loosing the supper heal. So it is really down to your own preference whether you would rather beable to print new ship mid game or actually be able to hit things beyond 2km unlike the techtree ships...

thanks for getting back. i like the fast bbs which angle and need a bit more tactics then just bow on guns blazing.. so i think ill keep saving coal and get the vanguard too.

 

thanks again

[Miscommunication_dept]

Is it really worth getting the Vanguard AND the Thunderer?

They have similar  play styles so if it were me I’d probably end up only playing one of them.

 

I just bought the Lenin instead of the Vanguard with discounted doubloons and the 25% coupon.

Well armoured, very accurate under 14km or so, Cheaper and quite unique.

 

Just my opinion of course!

[BlackYeti]

On 9/16/2019 at 10:18 PM, MacArthur92 said:

Yep. Warspite, Vanguard and Thunderer are all the type of British BBs we all wanted to see. 

This should have been the RN gimmick from the start, accurate gunnery. Not nuclear HE, zombie heals or short AP fuses...

[Chaos_Umbra]

5 minutes ago, BlackYeti said:

This should have been the RN gimmick from the start, accurate gunnery. Not nuclear HE, zombie heals or short AP fuses...

And the WG 'Gimmick' Department... I mean 'Balancing' Department still haven't learnt otherwise we would not be getting the absolutely horrific Italian cruisers, and I was looking forward to a techtree line like the Duca D'Aosta same as it was with the Warspite and RN BBs...

 

I always feel sorry for the WG Ship Modelling Department when they make these great 3D models of these historic ships only for them to be Gimmick'd to oblivion...