New Ship Line

[Hedgehog1963]

When the game was first announced and before I saw any footage I hoped that the low tiers would be the fast small boats.   Could have been a ton of fun.

[Chiledip]

On 9/10/2019 at 11:02 PM, NoobySkooby said:

Hey now I do like that idea, say a squad (or flotilla) of three to five MTB's per player, would make capping a lot of fun, drive CV players nuts too, I mean hitting a DD is hard enough as it is.

 

Yes, I wouldn't be surprised to see a mountain bike class in the game at some point. Wouldn't be the worst idea that WG have had recently. Oh you meant..............

[Nishi_Kinuyo]

5 hours ago, FooFaFie said:

I still say that after the Italian cruisers and 2/3 subs lines we will have the German CVs.

 

Why?

- The German lines are some of the most popular lines with players.

- of the major blocks JPN, Germany and US. Germany is the only one without silver CVs. Even the less popular nation UK already has a CV line.

- It's the only country with a premium CV in game (which is very popular) and no CV-line. Italy and France has none yet.

 

And on topic. I don't see torpedo boats for players in the future.

And how many CV designs did germany have, actually?

 

*edit*

Great, had a connection error and 3 replies popped up. >_>

[CptMinia]

9 hours ago, FooFaFie said:

I still say that after the Italian cruisers and 2/3 subs lines we will have the German CVs.

 

Why?

- The German lines are some of the most popular lines with players.

- of the major blocks JPN, Germany and US. Germany is the only one without silver CVs. Even the less popular nation UK already has a CV line.

- It's the only country with a premium CV in game (which is very popular) and no CV-line. Italy and France has none yet.

 

And on topic. I don't see torpedo boats for players in the future.

Yes, some day there is a good chance we will have german CVs. I did not say that they would not make it into the game. However their history is not particularly that important, not as much as Britain, France and the US.

 

Britain was the first country to build a purpose-designed aircraft carrier and it arguably had the first modern carrier, HMS Ark Royal. Note this is not the Ark Royal we all love, but the ship of the same name from 1914. Britain was also the first country with a full-length flat deck (HMS Argus) and first off-set control tower or "island" (HMS Hermes 1924). Their contribution to the design and development of the aircraft carrier is irreplaceable.

 

France also contributed to the aircraft carrier design, a french inventor is credited with being the first to suggest radical design features including a flat, flight deck spanning the length of the ship. An "Island" superstructure, deck lifts and lower hangars. The U.S would take a lot of inspiration from the French with their Lexington-class carriers.

 

The german CVs will come eventually, but I would be more interested in other nations first.

[lovelacebeer]

39 minutes ago, Nishi_Kinuyo said:

And how many CV designs did germany have, actually?

 

*edit*

Great, had a connection error and 3 replies popped up. >_>

With the Germans its hard to say how many designs they did have, considering their habit of going a bit nuts in WW2 with crazy designs that they could never have built, so there are probably loads of really obscure designs on the backs of napkins floating around.

 

However to my knowledge they did a few seaplane tenders from WW1. In WW2 we have Graf and her planned sister ship, they also had plans to adapt the transport Europa into a small CV (42 planes). As well as further auxiliary carriers converted from passenger ships (the Jade and Weser classes) but both would have been small and not like the high tier fleet carriers we are used too.

 

Also as a side note the Germans planned to turn the French cruiser De Grasse into a auxiliary carrier. 

[FooFaFie]

31 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

With the Germans its hard to say how many designs they did have, considering their habit of going a bit nuts in WW2 with crazy designs that they could never have built, so there are probably loads of really obscure designs on the backs of napkins floating around.

 

However to my knowledge they did a few seaplane tenders from WW1. In WW2 we have Graf and her planned sister ship, they also had plans to adapt the transport Europa into a small CV (42 planes). As we all further auxiliary carriers converted from passenger ships the Jade and Weser classes but both would have been small and not like the high tier fleet carriers we are used too.

 

Also as a side note the Germans planned to turn the French cruiser De Grasse into a auxiliary carrier. 

That German CV, with the Europa base, small? Really?

 

The Midway had a displacement of 45.000 tons and a lengt of 305m

 

That Europa ship would had a displacement  of 44.000 tons and a lengt of 291,5m

 

Smaller? Yes. But small?

 

 

[lovelacebeer]

48 minutes ago, FooFaFie said:

That German CV, with the Europa base, small? Really?

 

The Midway had a displacement of 45.000 tons and a lengt of 305m

 

That Europa ship would had a displacement  of 44.000 tons and a lengt of 291,5m

 

Smaller? Yes. But small?

 

 

 

Well I consider an air wing of 42 aircraft to be pretty small especially compared to other nations fleet carriers

[Nishi_Kinuyo]

2 hours ago, CptMinia said:

Yes, some day there is a good chance we will have german CVs. I did not say that they would not make it into the game. However their history is not particularly that important, not as much as Britain, France and the US.

 

Britain was the first country with a purpose-designed aircraft carrier and it arguably had the first modern carrier, HMS Ark Royal. Note this is not the Ark Royal we all love, but the ship of the same name from 1914. Britain was also the first country with a full-length flat deck (HMS Argus) and first off-set control tower or "island" (HMS Hermes 1924). Their contribution to the design and development of the aircraft carrier is irreplaceable.

Wasn't Japan the first to actually commission a purpose-designed carrier though?

Namely the Houshou which was commissioned in 1922, while the Hermes took two years longer despite having been laid down years prior.

And, afaik, the Germans took a lot of advice from the Japanese when designing their carriers.

[BLUB__BLUB]

21 hours ago, lovelacebeer said:

Now that WG have modelled MTBs I would love to see them appear more in operations we could have supply missions or something akin to the Channel Dash. 

 

As a playable ship line just give them them long range torps and a balanced reload, lets be honest realism is pretty much out the window already so it can be done. 

I think WG are just plain stupid NOT to make more Operations - or even OP-type matches.

That "harbour defence" operation already works sort of two ways. WHY NOT WG?

[CptBarney]

9 minutes ago, Nishi_Kinuyo said:

Wasn't Japan the first to actually commission a purpose-designed carrier though?

Namely the Houshou which was commissioned in 1922, while the Hermes took two years longer despite having been laid down years prior.

And, afaik, the Germans took a lot of advice from the Japanese when designing their carriers.

Dats Miss hosho too you!

 

she even had a tower but they didn't like it so they binned it.

 

Although hosho was used for training mainly she actually fought in the battle of midway i think (smoll boute).

 

Although you have HMS furious in 1918 doe.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_aircraft_carrier

 

the japanese and british were pretty close when it came to cv design regardless.

[CptMinia]

29 minutes ago, Nishi_Kinuyo said:

Wasn't Japan the first to actually commission a purpose-designed carrier though?

Namely the Houshou which was commissioned in 1922, while the Hermes took two years longer despite having been laid down years prior.

And, afaik, the Germans took a lot of advice from the Japanese when designing their carriers.

Yes, Hōshō is the first aircraft carrier comissioned. However Hermes remains the first ship to be built as an aircraft carrier.

 

As for your second point, I'm not entirely sure. But I know it was the other way around for plane design. Japanese engineers were sent to Germany to look and study their new designs and weapons in the aircraft industry. 

[Nishi_Kinuyo]

1 minute ago, CptMinia said:

Yes, Hōshō is the first comissioned ship that was built as an aircraft carrier. However Hermes remains the first ship to be built as an aircraft carrier.

 

As for your second point, I'm not entirely sure. But I know it was the other way around for plane design. Japanese engineers were sent to Germany to look and study their new designs and weapons in the aircraft industry. 

Meant in terms of the (steam?) catapults used to launch aircraft from the carriers, and stuff like that.

[CptMinia]

1 minute ago, Nishi_Kinuyo said:

Meant in terms of the (steam?) catapults used to launch aircraft from the carriers, and stuff like that.

Honestly I don't know, I believe the americans were the first to use catapults and pulley systems on carriers?

[Nishi_Kinuyo]

5 minutes ago, CptMinia said:

Honestly I don't know, I believe the americans were the first to use catapults and pulley systems on carriers?

Might've been the airplane lifts instead then, along with various means of adapting existing plane designs for use on carriers, including for the Ju87 and Bf109.

[CptBarney]

24 minutes ago, CptMinia said:

Honestly I don't know, I believe the americans were the first to use catapults and pulley systems on carriers?

Nope the british were with HMS perseus, pullies don't seem to be used a lot only really lifts and catapults.

 

 

[CptMinia]

10 minutes ago, CptBarney said:

Nope the british were with HMS perseus, pullies don't seem to be used a lot only really lifts and catapults.

The steam catapults work on a pulley system :) Also didn't know that, another score for the British!

[CptBarney]

26 minutes ago, CptMinia said:

The steam catapults work on a pulley system :) Also didn't know that, another score for the British!

I think the british were also one of the first witha proper flat top deck which was the first hms ark royal.

 

(not the one that helped sink biscuits).

[CptMinia]

Just now, CptBarney said:

I think the british were also one of the first witha proper flat top deck which was the first hms ark royal.

 

(not the one that helped sink biscuits).

What? Noooo, I posted that information above already...

[CptBarney]

1 minute ago, CptMinia said:

What? Noooo, I posted that information above already...

Hmmm? It said hermes in yer post not miss arky.

 

unless forums are going nutz again.

[CptMinia]

1 minute ago, CptBarney said:

Hmmm? It said hermes in yer post not miss arky.

 

unless forums are going nutz again.

It was HMS Argus.

[CptBarney]

1 hour ago, CptMinia said:

Yes, Hōshō is the first aircraft carrier comissioned. However Hermes remains the first ship to be built as an aircraft carrier.

 

As for your second point, I'm not entirely sure. But I know it was the other way around for plane design. Japanese engineers were sent to Germany to look and study their new designs and weapons in the aircraft industry. 

Was it dis post ya refering too?

 

am confused barneh now...

 

 

AAAHHHH NEVERMIND I SEE IT NOW 

 

lmao.

[Sunleader]

On 9/10/2019 at 11:19 PM, Mr_Wolfclaw said:

Since WG seem to have found time and resources for subs, throwing this one out there.

 

How about implementing torpedo boats, low detection, even from CV's, fast and manouvable but with limited health, guns and torp damage with faster than normal reload, but capable of sub hunting?

 

You can have E-boats (S-boats) and MTB/MGB, PT Boats and even Japan and Russia (they sucked by WG will OP them) had them too ?

 

@MrConway

 

We already have Torpedo Boats in the Game actually.

Most of of the German Low Tier DDs are actually Torpedo Boats.

[seXikanac]

On 9/10/2019 at 11:19 PM, Mr_Wolfclaw said:

Since WG seem to have found time and resources for subs, throwing this one out there.

 

How about implementing torpedo boats, low detection, even from CV's, fast and manouvable but with limited health, guns and torp damage with faster than normal reload, but capable of sub hunting?

 

You can have E-boats (S-boats) and MTB/MGB, PT Boats and even Japan and Russia (they sucked by WG will OP them) had them too ?

 

@MrConway

 

I would love fast torpedo boats without any guns :D Thats how I play my DDs anyway :D

 

On 9/10/2019 at 11:27 PM, ColonelPete said:

1 squadron of torpedo boats per player would be a better choice than submarines.

They are very quick, stealthy, depend on torpedos to do damage and are very fragile.

Even better idea :D