Team damage, why WG dont calculate when teammate change course?

[seXikanac]

I have seen that WoWS take into calculation when teammate change course and you run into him/her, but why it doesn't take into calculation when teammate change course and run into my long lost torpedoes?

[Panocek]

2 minutes ago, seXikanac said:

I have seen that WoWS take into calculation when teammate change course and you run into him/her, but why it doesn't take into calculation when teammate change course and run into my long lost torpedoes?

 

You don't torp from 2nd line UNLESS you have clear and both ways comm with guys in front of you.

[hgbn_dk]

Your torpedo's your responsibility

[ColonelPete]

Do not lose your torps.

[mtm78]

9 minutes ago, seXikanac said:

I have seen that WoWS take into calculation when teammate change course and you run into him/her, but why it doesn't take into calculation when teammate change course and run into my long lost torpedoes?

 

Friendly torpedoes are not 

 

 

[seXikanac]

11 minutes ago, Panocek said:

 

You don't torp from 2nd line UNLESS you have clear and both ways comm with guys in front of you.

I never said that I hit teammates in front of enemy, I hit teammates when I miss enemy and teammates wanted onto my torpedoes path

[Panocek]

Just now, seXikanac said:

I never said that I hit teammates in front of enemy, I hit teammates when I miss enemy and teammates wanted onto my torpedoes path

Same issue. Torpedoes friendly are not

 

Precisely the same reason WG removed Kitakami, torpedo cruiser with what was it, 20 torps per broadside as she was only ship to have more blue-on-blue kills that enemy kills

[Captain_Breeze]

You're not gonna get sympathy in this forum for hitting friendlies with torps.........ever.

 

It happens of course, and I have been guilty of it in the past, but the rule of thumb is, NEVER to torp from behind friendlies.

[lovelacebeer]

I'm presuming that OP means when teammates deliberately change course to make sure they got hit by torps rather than suggesting he is torping from the second line. 

 

Its certainly very frustrating when teammates do deliberately grief by changing course to intercept torps however thankfully it's not overly common. I admit I'm extremely cautious with torps for that reason, because I have had people do that too me. I have seen increadble teamwork between strangers where DDs torp In front of friendly BBs when they are being charged down thus saving the BB, but that DD is taking a risk I won't, because I know there are people who even if they say in chat they understand the plan they don't care they find it funny to lie and then eat the torps. 

 

So always be extrmely cautious when torping because this is online gaming. 

 

As for the mechainics of trying to create a system that understands when some one deliberately try's to eat torps or is just not aware of friendly torps I think such a thing would be a nightmare to design and implement. Better to just torp cautiously. 

[RAHJAILARI]

35 minutes ago, seXikanac said:

I have seen that WoWS take into calculation when teammate change course and you run into him/her, but why it doesn't take into calculation when teammate change course and run into my long lost torpedoes?

Question tho. How is WG supposed to know in advance that your teammate is going to go there? What if he makes an U-turn or something? Or stops or speeds up? WG maybe God-like but they have not yet reached that stage of miraculosity in their programming, I gather. So in the end the decision is yours, to fire those torps and risk hitting a friendly ship, or not to fire them. I know it is a pain and have been Pink'd many times because of my impatience (last time yesterday) or because I simply did not notice a friendly until it was already too late. Those a are just perils of the trade and we have to be the ones to take them into account.

 

Of course, it might be OK, if there was somekind of a warning on screen, if you are in danger of hitting a nearby friendly (provided the friendly continues his course and speed unchanged) that might actually be possible. Unless, of course there are more than 1 other friendly ship in game in which case it would make the program trying to predict all of their courses impossibly large and heavy (=game would become veeerry slow for everyone, who does not own an actual supercomputer) and therefore impractical.

[mtm78]

11 minutes ago, seXikanac said:

I never said that I hit teammates in front of enemy, I hit teammates when I miss enemy and teammates wanted onto my torpedoes path

 

You mean you deliberately took the risk of missing the enemy and hitting your allies. Don't make excuses, man up and just do not do it again. And if you, don't complain it's their fault, just eat it.

 

Like I tk'd a FdG yesterday because I paniclaunched all my Neptune torpedoes at a blob of rushing enemies without thinking he would actually sail straight into them. I said sorry, and then he died and the game was over. I was pink for 2 games, and that's it.

 

It's never your team's fault if they 'sail in your torps' even if I sometimes think some people might be very speshul and enjoy deliberatly blocking torpedo angles just because they want a piece of the same pie and don't want you to eat it all. 

[mtm78]

31 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

Its certainly very frustrating when teammates do deliberately grief by changing course to intercept torps

 

Ofc I wil get you pink if you torp from behind me and I have to choose from dying to enemy or your torps what ya think? That's not grieving, don't make me laugh. If you don't torp from behind me I can turn in different directions that's the whole point.

 

I HATE reading this crap here, this is what made community so craptastic at times. You have me on coms, fine ask me if you can launch. You don't have me on coms -> YOU NEVER EVER LIMIT WHAT SHIPS CLOSER TO THE ENEMY AS YOU CAN DO IN TERMS OF TURNING OUT FROM THE ENEMY. PERIOD. EXCLAMATION MARK. 

 

You want to launch those torps so badly, you better be in front of me, not behind me when I AM TAKING THE RISKS and you think you can LEECH DAMAGE FROM SAFETY and even ENDANGER me?

 

I've turned around and gone pink in other ways against people who thought like that. 

 

DO NOT TORPEDO FROM SECOND LINE. 

 

And if you, don't claim it's not your own fault if you turn pink. Or a DD might suddenly send some fish back at you. 

 

jezus this gets my blood boiling. 

 

edit: sorry caps, and @lovelacebeer it's not personal, just reading that line thrown in there will give some ,.,,, readers the idea that it's normal to torp from second line and it's the responsibility of the one in front to dodge. It is not, not by any means. 

[ColonelPete]

47 minutes ago, seXikanac said:

I never said that I hit teammates in front of enemy, I hit teammates when I miss enemy and teammates wanted onto my torpedoes path

That is still second line torping. The friendly was in front of you.

[Pikkozoikum]

1 hour ago, seXikanac said:

I have seen that WoWS take into calculation when teammate change course and you run into him/her, but why it doesn't take into calculation when teammate change course and run into my long lost torpedoes?

Didn't know, that they calcutate that for ramming? Both get the warning for ramming

 

It's up to you, that you have to know, when you can torp and when not. You have to calculate, if a teammate is able to run into your torp or not. If you still torp, then write and ask in the chat, because nobody expects torpedos from behind. Players always look at the enemy, not at teamamtes, who might be use torpedos.

[Episparh]

[Bear__Necessities]

Or. Why don’t players anticipate changes in other players courses... 

[lovelacebeer]

57 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

Ofc I wil get you pink if you torp from behind me and I have to choose from dying to enemy or your torps what ya think? That's not grieving, don't make me laugh. If you don't torp from behind me I can turn in different directions that's the whole point.

 

I HATE reading this crap here, this is what made community so craptastic at times. You have me on coms, fine ask me if you can launch. You don't have me on coms -> YOU NEVER EVER LIMIT WHAT SHIPS CLOSER TO THE ENEMY AS YOU CAN DO IN TERMS OF TURNING OUT FROM THE ENEMY. PERIOD. EXCLAMATION MARK. 

 

You want to launch those torps so badly, you better be in front of me, not behind me when I AM TAKING THE RISKS and you think you can LEECH DAMAGE FROM SAFETY and even ENDANGER me?

 

I've turned around and gone pink in other ways against people who thought like that. 

 

DO NOT TORPEDO FROM SECOND LINE. 

 

And if you, don't claim it's not your own fault if you turn pink. Or a DD might suddenly send some fish back at you. 

 

jezus this gets my blood boiling. 

 

edit: sorry caps, and @lovelacebeer it's not personal, just reading that line thrown in there will give some ,.,,, readers the idea that it's normal to torp from second line and it's the responsibility of the one in front to dodge. It is not, not by any means. 

 

Two points I would like to make: 

 

First the whole point I made was that as a torp boat you must take extreme responsibility for your own torps and why I advocate being very careful, even if it means not launching torps because you have no guarantee the other person is on the same page as you.

 

Secondly though I was very clear that I specifically didn't mean torping from the second line, I was referring to incidents such as when a DD does a 180 degree turn or when you defend your own cap as a torp boat but a teammate deliberately tried to eat a torp and that is why as a torp boat you must take all due care to avoid ever being reckless with torps because there is a risk from the second you launch Torps. 

 

Prehaps english isn't your first language as you appear to have taken the EXACT OPPOSITE of everything I have said, I specifically stated I wasn't advocating torping from the second line and very strongly stated torp discipline is vital. 

[anonym_WQDIB9XrzbSp]

Yeah, the Graf Spee that narrowly missed me four times in my last game found me eating three of them late on by accident

 

After all, his I'd lost most of my health ending up broadside whilst deperately trying to avoid his torps.... seems only fair I demonstrate the dangers.

 

Basically don't second line torp

[hgbn_dk]

25 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

 but a teammate deliberately tried to eat a torp

 

 

If a team mate is in a position to deliberate take a torp from you, Then you was wrong to launch any in the first place

[mtm78]

12 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

I was referring to incidents such as when a DD does a 180 degree turn

 

So you think that because the DD is going one way, he should keep going one way because you find it needed to launch torps? 

 

Any time you launch torps and there is someone who CAN RUN INTO THEM, even if he has to STOP OR DO 180, it's YOUR FAULT NOT HIS. PERIOD.

 

You're behind him, he is closer to the enemy and he SHOULD NOT EVER HAVE TO THINK ABOUT ANYONE SITTING SAFELY BEHIND HIM. 

 

15 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

Prehaps english isn't your first language

Perhaps* it is not.

 

15 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

I specifically stated I wasn't advocating torping from the second line

But you did, and you just repeated it. There is no physical way for a DD to run into torps which have been launched SAFELY. A DD can not teleport himself in font of torpedoes. ANY TIME you hit an ally with torps, it's your fault. Dropping in lines like: "well he did a 180" shows you do not understand and it's not a language barrier. 

 

 

Just because an ally doesn't APPEAR TO BE ON THE EXACT COURSE TO INTERCEPT, does not mean it's safe. No one besides those on coms can know if the DD would LIKE TO KEEP THE OPTION TO MAKE A TURN OR EVEN DO AN 180. 

 

And that DD is the one closer. So if you hit him with torps there is no :" but he turned into them". It DOES NOT EXIST, the only thing which exists in those situations is -> 

 

 

1 hour ago, lovelacebeer said:

Its certainly very frustrating when teammates do deliberately grief by changing course to intercept torps

 

25 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

such as when a DD does a 180 degree turn

 

No. Just NO. Still the fault of the one launching ALWAYS.

 

I dread the day that this game needs to become like tanks with no friendly damage just so .......... can torp from second line without penalty. It would utterly disgust me. 

[mtm78]

2 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

If a team mate is in a position to deliberate take a torp from you, Then you was wrong to launch any in the first place

 Exactly, it's stuff like that which newbs read and conclude that

 

'well in this situation I could launch, you weren't going to get hit but you turned....' 

[anonym_WQDIB9XrzbSp]

Assume that a friendly WILL eat your torps in a fit of pique if your torps are likely to claim a kill and you'll never hit a friendly again.

 

Rule of thumb.

[lovelacebeer]

11 minutes ago, hgbn_dk said:

If a team mate is in a position to deliberate take a torp from you, Then you was wrong to launch any in the first place

 

I know that's the point I'm making!

 

There are situations which arise such as defending a cap where torps would be preferable but you should Never take the risk, because even if you do reset the cap and kill the capping ship you have no guarantee that someone else on your team isn't  going to turn around and come back too. 

 

I don't get what's so complicated here. I'm stating NEVER to torp from behind teammates and pointing out a secondary reason as why NOT too because you have no way of knowing what will happen with other teammates. 

 

As I have repeatedly stated there are people who either by accident or by intention will eat friendly torps so NEVER torp in any situation when its remotely possible to happen, perhaps im being too polite or reasonable in my words for the benefit of the OP for other people to grasp the point im making which is:

 

DONT TAKE THE RISK

 

 

[Crysantos]

2 hours ago, seXikanac said:

I have seen that WoWS take into calculation when teammate change course and you run into him/her, but why it doesn't take into calculation when teammate change course and run into my long lost torpedoes?

It's quite simple - you are responsible for your torpedoes and there is no such thing as a friendly torpedo. Never risk a team mate's life, it's not worth it. Your team mate has to deal with a lot of other aspects and apparently he is in front of you, so he is already doing the spotting, tanking, etc. for you and needs to be able to react, without watching his back about dangerous team torps.

 

So please always consider this when launching torpedoes

 

Greetings, Crysantos

[mtm78]

32 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

there are people who either by accident or by intention will eat friendly torps

No, there are 'people' who torpedo from second line.... you CAN NOT INTENTIONALLY EAT FRIENDLY TOPEDOES, THERE ARE NO FRIENDLY TORPEDOES LAUNCHED FROM SECOND LINE PERIOD.